ADR - Episode 631: The Oldest View

[00:00:17] And welcome to Al Dente Rigamortis. I'm Review Cultist. I'm Mikey, the U.S.T. and Sreevil. And I'm the Gamer in Yellow. And we're here to discuss those internet stories, most creepy and most pasta, and be critically silly doing it. And for our 12 year anniversary... Okay guys, real talk. Al Dente real talk. The Oldest View by Kane Pixels.

[00:00:41] Damn right. Yeah, Kane Parson, you know, the 20 year old who made a Backrooms movie, like feature film. Yeah, no big deal. Yeah, you know, viral at 16 as the memes would do. And then like, as every meme since Backrooms came out in theaters, like, oh, he did this at 20. He did this at the age of 20.

[00:01:06] But no, we're not gonna talk about that. Yeah, we are gonna be covering Kane Parson's other series on his YouTube channel, which is The Oldest View. You can check it out on his YouTube channel, Kane Pixels. There's a playlist that gives you the chronological order of it. So yeah, I guess we should give our initial recommendations before we dive too far into our notes and observations. As is our situation with Al Dente real talk.

[00:01:36] I'm going to recommend it though, perhaps partially for some folks, like depending on who I'm recommending it to. I'm going to partially recommend it. All right. I'm going to recommend recommend it. You're going to fully recommend it. That's what I said. Fair. Well, let's, let's dive into our notes and observations and find out why we gave those recommendations.

[00:02:02] I guess we're gonna go by each video. Like we're gonna start like, do one video at a time sort of situation. Yeah, cause I totally sectioned my stuff out into a video format. I would really hope so. You do that because I'm glad I did. I totally did. Glad I did that. Yeah, the first entry is renewal. Um, it basically has a guy that's entirely in black and white, uh, himself. And then the surrounding around him is as if the world would normally be.

[00:02:32] But, um, if only the green colors came through. Um, so it's kind of like a surreal sort of look and he's just kind of like walking around, sits down, uh, reads a book and then it fades to black. And then it cuts to a cardboard being cut into strips and glued into like some cool mask. And then that's it. Yeah. That's, that's basically renewal. Um, it's pretty short one. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:01] It's only like four minutes long, like basically. Um, so yeah, for, for renewal, when I first started like watching it, this is also spoilers. This is like the second time I've watched the series and it's in its entirety. Mm. I had been meaning for us to like cover this series, like two years ago, like a year or two years ago, uh, when I first discovered it. But again, things got a whole, got, got ahead of me and such. So, and we found that huge iceberg. Yeah, exactly.

[00:03:27] And you know, again, like Kane Parsons is just releasing his new feature film about the backroom. So like, well, let's cover another series that he's done. Um, so, uh, yeah, the, the opening scene, actually, I will say that the opening scenes music of this, of this video felt very like Majora's mask to me, like just very soft, eerie tones. And like the storm sound effect of the kind of ambient storm sounds in the background.

[00:03:55] Um, we're, we're very like kind of gave me that vibe of like Majora's mask, like in like the forest areas or like, uh, when things are like very quiet and unsettling. And it cuts to a mask sort of thing at the end too. That's right. Yeah. Um, also because the guy is like in black and white and like, again, I, I'm wondering if like, maybe like, like everything else is supposed to be color. It's just like, it was, um, like, because everything's mostly a forest, most of it's in green. And then like, I just like hoped that that would work.

[00:04:24] Um, but like when that was going for me, like when I was watching that, I was like, oh no, this guy slipped out of Pleasantville. He is one of the last, he was one of the last holdovers from the world becomes color. Um, the, yeah. So there's a movie called Pleasantville where like, it's like a leave it to beaver, like black and white TV show. Um, but then the, the characters that are watching the show get like sucked into the world and through their modern, like, uh, sensibilities.

[00:04:51] And ideologies, um, they begin changing the world of Pleasantville from black and white to technicolor. Interesting. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so that's kind of what I got from this guy. Oh no, he's a, it's just like this monochrome black and white character walking around this, uh, this like luscious green forest was, uh, very reminiscent of that kind of thing. Um, but yeah, so that's, that's honestly all I have for renewal in my observations and notes.

[00:05:21] So Mikey. Yeah. My no, here's a, was very artsy fartsy. And then, uh, I didn't understand what, what was the scariness of the cardboard mask. Um, yet, but then we find it out later, but it's not a mask. It looks creepy on its own. It is, it is definitely an unsettling mask. Um, or like just like in terms of like, I mean, yeah, like it's definitely like a weird mask.

[00:05:50] It's like, what the hell is this? Mm. Yeah. But I mean, we get a closeup of it and it's like, well, okay. So I don't know how this pertains to anything yet. Yeah. So it's laying the foundations. Hmm. Yeah. That's all I have to say. All right. And gamer. Uh, well for me, when I started reading it or I didn't read, I have to stop doing that

[00:06:17] because like, I'm going to stop that now because I'm going to be saying reading so much, but I'm not reading any of this. I'm watching it. Uh, when I first watched this, this one, um, I noticed that the, the video ratio is in like four by 10 instead of like standard 69 or whatever it is. Um, I, which I think helps sell like a retro vibe, even though like the resolution in it is modern resolution. So it's kind of like half old school, I guess. Yeah.

[00:06:46] And I mean, this is nothing new for Kane Parson because like he, he kind of has a habit of like throwing in like dream, like, uh, video format filters and also like older, like analog filters onto his videos. Cause like, um, like all the backroom stuff is like set in the nineties. So yeah. Yeah. And my next note is like, I dig the whole removal of all color except for the green.

[00:07:10] Um, while most times when people do this, it's like sin city or like the Warhammer 40k angels of death series. They pick just reds and often like it's the minority of the colors or at least like not heavily used in the background, but like this green in a forest. So like most of it is colored, but the pro tag isn't. So it kind of helps to make it look like he doesn't belong there compared to just if it was full color. It's like, okay, it's a guy walking through the forest.

[00:07:39] But if it's a guy walking through a forest where he has no color in the cult and the forest is completely covered in color. It's like, something's weird here. This is not right. Exactly. Yeah. Like it adds more again to the dream element of it or the kind of almost dreamlike element of it. Um, and again, maybe because like, yeah, I'm like, I'm looking at some screen caps of like him, just him and like in the forest. And I, I, now I can kind of see like, oh yeah, the, the, the logs and stuff like that. And even the water area around him is, is black and white.

[00:08:07] But like, honestly, I think that isn't a credit to like the fact that like, because the green is basically adding color, like subconsciously to my mind to everything but him. Yeah. Also, like sometimes trees look kind of grayish, like with the bark and stuff. So yeah, I get it. But I noticed that you didn't, whatever, it doesn't matter. Regardless, um, by the end of the, the green scene, I was still very confused. Like what's the whole deal with green hill zone here?

[00:08:37] Um, I don't know. But he'll be black and white too. So I have a theory. Um, and I'm not sure. Cause I don't, I don't think we're ever really given explicitly. Like what, what's, what's about this old man or this bearded man aside from like, I think he is. Yeah. He's like younger than us, dude. I know, no, but I mean like B I'm in like an old timey, not, not old man. Cause like, cause here's, here's my theory. Um, like, I'm going to jump ahead a little bit.

[00:09:02] My theory is that the, this bearded man, like this black and white bearded man is the spirit of the giant. And like, perhaps this forest is either like some afterlife place or is the land before the mall was like put up. Um, sort of like an, in like an artsy way. Like, cause I have an idea. I've got, I've got like a kind of a notion of the theme of the entire series of the videos, which I'll get to a little bit later.

[00:09:27] But I, I have a feeling that this is supposed to be like represent like the, the spirit of the giant or, or perhaps is the creator of the giant in some way. Um, that is also like mask that's early later.

[00:09:40] That's at the end of this video, but yeah, I got more of the giant because, uh, in the mall section, you see the artsy fartsy location and there's a painting of the old guy. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Like it's like a, almost like a memorial thing or, or something like that. Right. Well, no, it's to promote the art. So he's the creator. Oh, so he's the creator. Okay. Yeah.

[00:10:09] Was it a self portrait? Yeah. Or well, yeah, it's like it, it's an art version of it, like a, a painting, but it was on one of the wall or posters. Yeah. Cause there was one that it kept focusing on. I didn't realize that was a picture of him though. Yeah. I think it's supposed to be like, it may not even be like, cause, um, I know from behind the scenes, um, like,

[00:10:32] the, the giant, like art, the art exhibition, the art studio, this mall exists in real life or existed in real life. Uh, and came Parsons to the mall yet. We're going to get there. Yeah. We are. We're jumping ahead a bit, but yeah. I'll just like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Still very confused, but by the end of it, I'm just kind of like, like even including the, the mask making section. Um, it just kind of left me with like, what did I even watch?

[00:10:57] Like for this, like the opening part of a forest and the second part shows a mask being made. They seemingly have nothing to do with each other. And like, as an intro to this series in this world that is being described to us, it, I started out extremely lost. Yeah. Like visually the shots are well put together, but the story being told is minimal at this point for episode one. It's like, if you just watch this and you're waiting for the next one to come out, you wouldn't even know what's coming next.

[00:11:27] Like you wouldn't expect what was going to come in X either. Cause it has nothing to do with this seemingly, you know? Yeah. Cause it's very strange intro to it. Now I have nowhere notes on renewal. All right, cool. Uh, then we move on to the second, uh, oldest view video, which is, uh, beneath the earth. Um, basically this guy named Wyatt, he's a, like a college kid.

[00:11:52] Uh, and while trespassing on somebody's property discovered, uh, uh, that at the base of an Oak tree on the top of a hill, there is a hole that has, um, like concrete stairway, a concrete stairwell that just keeps going down into the earth. And so he decides to videotape this, this discovery and go all the way down to the bottom.

[00:12:16] Um, just kind of marveling at how deep it goes and like what exactly its purpose is for and stuff and getting a little creeped out as well. Um, but then, and then getting to the bottom and finding that there's this like silent hill esque opening area or like how like bottom space, um, loading screen is. Yeah, basically.

[00:12:36] And then there'd be just beyond that at another, at another like doorway that's like, uh, partially blocked by, uh, by a grill, um, is what looks like a store or like an empty, an empty mall store room, uh, or store space. Um, and he goes out into it and then discovers that there's actually like a mall deeper beyond. And then he gets freaked out and, and the video ends. He doesn't leave the, uh, the store yet on the first video.

[00:13:04] Yeah, no, he's just in the, he's just in the main store because the store is also like shuttered. Like the, he can look out through the window, like through the, the viewing window of the shopping windows out into like the mall hallway and area and such. Hmm. Um, so that's basically, um, the second video, uh, beneath the earth is why it discovering this, uh, this strange hole that has a staircase that goes down. Beneath the earth. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:13:30] Um, so for my observations here, I was like, I, his, his mannerism and like, what exactly, like how things transgress, uh, it brought to mind again, a lot of this was like, oh man, this brings to mind like this, like this, like these other things that like I remember, like I'm reminded of. And like, I'm just saying, this is like, oh, like, I wonder if this is like with some, some inspiration or if this is just like a happy coincidence or just like something that I draw like familiarity for when I'm like watching this.

[00:13:58] Um, because like, it kind of gave me like early every man hybrid, uh, slender vlog vibes, uh, meets like an urbex vlogger, like just this, the upbeat intro that Wyatt has about like how excited he is about finding this thing. And then just when, and then something weird occurs, like, again, like he gets down, he checks out this like weird, like staircase that goes, that's underground and it leads seemingly to a frigging mall.

[00:14:23] Um, and how like kind of like, you know, wonder and also like how freaked out he's, he starts acting at the very end of it. So, but yeah, like, and also, yeah, so the whole like stairs under an old oak tree, um, gives me serious, like fairy folk, like under the hill vibes. Um, a lot of the time when you're talking about like the fairy folk and like, uh, or the fae, um, uh, their homes are under the hill.

[00:14:46] Um, because like they, in like in England and Ireland and stuff, like a lot of those, like a lot of, uh, boroughs and early, a lot of like fairy homes and such are said to be like the old, like burial mounds from like ages past. So it gave me that, that kind of situation, that kind of vibe of like, man, this is definitely like a fairy. This is definitely some kind of like renovated, like fairy mall under the, under the hill. Kind of. Yeah.

[00:15:11] Um, also the, the composition, like the, the compositing, uh, of like looking down into the, like looking down into the, um, the whole at the stairs. Um, I feel it was really good. Like it, it felt like it was actually like, cause it is clear, like, uh, from some behind the scenes stuff, like I've seen, um, that was that like him, like looking down into the hole was, was definitely composited. No, it's totally real. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:40] Um, however, uh, when he's looking up, uh, back out of the hole from inside the hole, like down, like, uh, I did kind of get the feeling that, all right, that, that could have been worked on a little bit better. But otherwise, like the, the, the, just the motion tracking was a little bit off with the trees in the sky a little bit, but, um, for me, the hole seemed bigger on the inside. So that was just my take. It seems smaller than what I'm looking at.

[00:16:08] Um, well, on the outside to me, it seems smaller than when he was on the inside. Weird. I'm seeing the complete opposite. I don't know. It's almost like you're different people. Yeah. I can, I can kind of see it, but like, uh, like honestly, I do, I do think it's a good, it is still a good comp compositing job. Um, for trying to do this kind of effect, like it's still pretty impressive.

[00:16:35] Um, uh, and then, um, there's, there's a line that he has like halfway down the stairs or something like that, or like, or like near the end of the stairs. Um, I'm starting to realize this was a really stupid idea as he descends down nearly all the stairs. I'm just like, yeah, but I mean, this would definitely be me in this instance. Like I can't even, I can't even fault Wyatt here for doing this. Cause I'd definitely go down that hole.

[00:17:04] Um, I might lose my, my nerve at some point, but damn, damn right. I'm going to go exploring that as long as there's nothing threatening or hostile. I'm going to go check to see what's going on. Well, he said himself the first time that he went there, he only went like a quarter of the way down the first flight of sets and he chickened out, went home. Yeah. So he's definitely this time he went down all the way down to the turn and then continued. Yeah. So he's definitely like building up his, his, uh, his courage, uh, with each time.

[00:17:33] Um, also with the stairwell, um, this is sort of like a personal thing and like a connective tissues in a way. Um, I'm kind of reminded like the stairwell going down into the dark and into the, into this hole, like almost like seemingly never ending. Like it goes down for a while. Um, it definitely reminded me of an old Minecraft server that Mikey and I and some friends used to have and how Mikey just like Mikey's stairwell mine that he built when like after we left him, we left him alone for a few hours.

[00:18:03] It was like, Hey, where's Mikey? Like we should go check on him. And we went to like his little, like his little hut that he had on, on his Island in the, in the Minecraft server. And we, and we enter it and it's just, it was just this giant deep stairwell with lights, like torches every couple of feet or every couple of blocks. It was just like, what the fuck? That brings up an interesting point too. Like, I feel like it would be really awesome to actually make this in Minecraft. Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:18:30] Like all the way down, make the turn, keep digging, put a door and then have an entire mall under the crowd. I bet you anything. Somebody out there has already made this in Minecraft. Probably. I guarantee somebody has already like built this in Minecraft. Um, would be awesome. Yeah. Um, also, yeah. So then he gets down to the base of the stairs and like to that, uh, to the, the door that's there and such. And I thought, I thought for real, it was going to transition like a resident.

[00:19:00] Evil loading screen door. Yeah. Like, I wonder if that was the inspiration for that. Cause it like definitely like, it like faded to black and then like, and then he's suddenly in the other, in that other room. Um. Well, no, it faded. What happened was it did a jump cut. Then the door was opening and then he walks through the door. Yeah. You just don't see him opening the door. Yeah. Um, also his reaction to discovering the mall underground felt very genuine and like realistic to me.

[00:19:29] Like just this confused astonishment he had of like, like, cause honestly, like what else? Like, like it was really good acting on, on Kane's part, but also just like, yeah, no, that's exactly the reaction you want. Like you're, you're, you'd expect like, cause like, what the fuck? Also was that Kane? That was, uh, Wyatt? Yeah. Wyatt. Kane is playing Wyatt in this. Like this is, this is a one man show. I'm pretty sure. Except for the other man at the start. Where's that also Kane?

[00:19:59] Oh no, that's not Kane. No. So there, it's, it's, it's a, it's a small group, but like, um, that's definitely Kane. That's like talking and stuff. So I'm assuming he's also doing the camera work and such. Uh, but yeah. Um, yeah, that's, that's all my observations for beneath the earth. It was just like, yeah, this was, this is kind of where things start like really kicking in. Like, I think like we're, you were just saying, you were saying earlier with renewal, like you're left confused.

[00:20:23] Honestly, like, I feel like this is where a lot of people would, would want to start is on this one because this is where like stuff is really introduced. But, um, yeah. Uh, Mikey, what else do you have to, uh, what, what, what are the notes and observations you have? All right. Uh, let's see here. Uh, guy enters SCP facility under a large oak tree. So true. It's definitely like, like SCP, the Fae. It's like, there's so many different like, like things.

[00:20:53] It's the port, it's a portal. It's an opening to the portal labs. Um, and then, uh, he wonders why the power is in the portal. It was on. And my thoughts went straight to video game, like basically, uh, tomb raider, like this, uh, tomb hasn't been entered in thousands of years. All the torches are lit. Yeah. All the braziers were lit.

[00:21:23] All the, yeah, exactly. It's like, it's the eternal flames. Yeah. Back in the day, they mastered the, uh, the, the science of eternal fire. Um, honestly, that also just kind of like the fact that like there's lighting in here and there's still like power like that, even that close to the surface, like at the, near the stairwell is just like, yeah, no, that's just as freaky. Cause like, how the hell is this all operating?

[00:21:50] Like if you're, when you're in that situation, it's like, what the fuck is going on? Like, it's that kind of like out of context horror and like mystery. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, do you, and then the next thing here. So he goes down the stairs until he finds a door and beyond the door is a room with tile and drainage. Yes. Yeah.

[00:22:19] And, uh, you eventually in one of the scenes, I don't know if this one or the next one, it actually shows, uh, shower heads. I think that's the next one, but yeah. Um, and then he goes through the half gate to the carpet area of two desks. And then we get the reveal that it's a shopping mall and I'm left questioning, well, what type

[00:22:47] of store would have a shower facility at the back? Salon, maybe like a hair salon kind of thing, but the, the kind of shower that, yeah, it's, it's definitely like a, what the, like, it's definitely like, it's got some back rooms, like liminal vibes, like where it's like certain rooms aren't exactly meshing correctly. Mm-hmm. Even though like the rest of them all is pretty coherent, but like this one part,

[00:23:14] like this part where that's like a threshold into it is definitely like bizarre compared to the rest. I think the half like portcullis might be the weirder part as well. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at that one right now. Like I literally like viewing that, like, it almost looks like it's like a, like a, like half, half of a, like a, a grilled, uh, like that takes up an entire doorway, but like part of it's been like either sheared off or rusted off. But yeah, it looked definitely like, yeah, it definitely gots that court, uh, the port court police, that portcullis, uh, look to it.

[00:23:44] Yeah. Also definitely getting some silent hill vibes from that room, like from the, from the, from the tiled, from the tiled chamber. Mm-hmm. All right. That's the, uh, all the notes for the sake of the deal. All right. Gamer, what do you have for, for the oldest view episode of video two? Uh, well, my first note, I like that there's FPS lag on the camera whenever he's looking down the stairwell from up top. Oh yeah.

[00:24:14] It gives an anomalous kind of vibe on its own, kind of Slender Man coded in that way, I guess. Mm-hmm. Um, and regarding that, it's a bit of a shame that we couldn't get an unbroken shot that shows the hole and then zooms in to show the stairs. Like, the jump cut's a bit jarring and breaks the immersion a little bit, but considering the FPS lag, like, on the recording, that could have been used to hide the cut a bit better, in my opinion. Yeah.

[00:24:42] Like, turn it into a 10 image slideshow of getting to the first frame of the video at the top of the stairs. Like, that would have been a smoother transition instead of just shot A, shot B, you know? Yeah. To show that, like, whatever's happening down there, it's fucking with the camera enough just trying to get it close, like, getting through that threshold. Yeah. Well, I think that's also, like, it's definitely, yeah, it could definitely be used to hide the

[00:25:07] transition, especially since, like, I'm guessing, um, that, like, this isn't an actual set, like, on, on, um, on site. So, he's gotta, like, kind of hide when he transitions to, like, a new location. Mm-hmm. But it was just a bit jarring, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. For sure. Um, and then, so, when he gets down to the stairs, as he starts walking down, I'm like, this looks really good.

[00:25:36] If this is a filming location, uh, that's really cool. Like, assuming the near infinite depth of the stairs, uh, both ways is done with CGI repeats and stuff. But, like, I was curious if the whole stair system was CGI, too, or if he found just, like, like some, like some, uh, abandoned staircase that is that for, like, a good 10 feet or something, then he just repeated it, which would be cool. Um, but no, I think it's all CG. Shockingly.

[00:26:05] Um, yeah, I've got some, I've got some insight on that, but I was gonna say that. I have some more later as well. Yeah. For a later section or later video, it's very obvious it's CG. Yeah. Lies. You're a liar. I will say, like, some of it is more obvious than others, but. Yeah. Sorry. Continue. Lies and slender. Lies and slender. That you heard me. Uh, but yeah, uh, basically my final thoughts on part two is basically like the entry.

[00:26:36] This entry was like a lot more compelling than the first one. Um, it's like good old classic found footage stuff, which I really appreciate. And like the wraparound of the character is like, I'm doing this for YouTube guys. You shouldn't trespass, but I'm doing it because I have followers. Like, like, cause I'm a, cause I'm a college kid. Like I can do this. Yeah. That's kind of fun. Um, yeah, the shots of the stairs look great. Um, it stuck around for a while, but like not so long that it was unwelcome.

[00:27:06] Just like the experience of him walking down. Um, it actually just, because it took so long in video runtime just for him to get down there. Cause like he sees the door around like nine minutes in of him just walking down the staircase. Um, but that just kind of sells how long the staircase is. Yeah.

[00:27:29] Um, but the only real issues I had with this is like the first views through that gate at that like white square looking table. It looked very rendered to me the first time I saw it. Uh, just cause how sharp it was. But like once he actually gets in there and you see the table, it's like, oh no, it's actually just a very square table and it looks believable when he's walking past in my opinion. Yeah. So yeah, that's about all I got for that one. All right.

[00:28:00] And I suppose we'll move on to the rolling giant, the oldest view part three. So this one is when, uh, he, it's been a few days or something like that. And, um, why it has also dropped, like has borrowed and, uh, left some, uh, some hunting cams, um, both inside the stairwell and, and outside the stairwell to see if anybody like comes in or out. Um, and, uh, he's checks them and like, he finds like no one's going in or out. So like, it seems still like coast is clear to go down there and explore that, that space

[00:28:29] he discovered that mall space. Um, so he, he descends down, uh, gets into the, the main store unit again, and then manages to get into the, the mall. And it is in fact an entire fucking mall underground. Um, and at first it's like completely dark. There's like some like emergency lights or something like that, but like most of the light is coming from his camera.

[00:28:54] Um, and he explores the, the place for a bit and then, uh, comes to about, comes to like, sees, like, seems to be some kind of like, uh, Valley View mall, um, somewhere. And, uh, finds a, an art, uh, studio that is like showcasing some kind of like art project of, or some like statues or, uh, some like large art, um, uh, diagram, or not diaphragms, uh, like art structures or art sculptures.

[00:29:23] Um, and then all the lights start turning on and he's worried that he's like, oh no, he's hit a, he's hit a silent alarm. Um, uh, he's going to get in trouble or something like that. And then he starts walking around and then he hears like this rolling sound and it's one of the art projects. It's this like giant, this, the bearded giant guy. Um, but it's just, it's just rolling of its own volition and then it stops for a moment. And then he keeps going, like trying to like find a way out there because he's, he figures he's in trouble. So he's like, he's just going to try and find a way out.

[00:29:53] Heads back to the, um, the stairs, uh, in that store, in that storefront that he, uh, he first came in and the stairs are rubble. Like no, there's no like hint. Collapsed is what it looks like. Yeah, exactly. Like, like there's just rubble and like, like the, like the building, like, like it collapsed in. Uh, no, uh, despite the fact that he didn't hear any sign of, of, of rumbling or like that, um, and then, so he tries to find more, find another way out.

[00:30:20] And while that happens, that's when this statue that's on rollers begins stalking him and like becomes, begins actively showing itself, not just like when he's looking away, but actively like moving of its own volition. Like there's no, there doesn't seem to be any way of like for it to move other than from a pulley that's on the back, but it's doing it on its own. Um, and it just begins to like hunt, stalk him and hunt him like throughout the, uh, the mall as he tries desperately to find a way out.

[00:30:49] Uh, eventually he gets up to like the second level, um, in like one of the atrium areas, uh, and the thing follows him up an escalator and like crashes into like a spot that he like escapes from, um, cracking part of the, the structure. And like, you start hearing thunder and like, and like the sound or the sound of like rubble and the sound of like, uh, of like a possible collapse. And so he tries to like escape by like following this like ledge that's like overhanging like

[00:31:19] a two story, like drop, uh, into an atrium, uh, or like a court area, um, to get to a, uh, another, to get to an exit, like kind of spacey, uh, like a, there's like a tunnel or something you can see on the other, on the other end of a wall that he can like follow this like to get to. Um, and then there's another like shaking or trembling and he loses his footing and falls and the video cuts out there with him, like, uh, after a nasty crunching sound.

[00:31:50] Um, and then it cuts to the forest again after a moment and his body just in the forest. And then that's where the video ends. So yeah, that that's, and that one's the longest video. Like the other two, I think we're like four minutes, like nine and 12 minutes. Um, part three

[00:32:14] is where it's like 46 minutes of, of why it like exploring and then trying to escape the mall. So, um, yeah. So for my, uh, my observations for this one, again, like I said, like in the previous one, like, yeah, that, that first room before he goes into this, uh, before he goes into the mall itself, it felt very much like a silent hill location, like just the tiles and like all the rust and such. Um, but, uh, then we get like Wyatt looking down

[00:32:44] at the empty atrium area. And I, and I remember hearing this, him like commenting this, like this, uh, it's like the back rooms, like from TikTok. And all I could think of, all I could do was like like, um, but, um, yeah, the other, the other things I have here is like, I just really enjoyed

[00:33:08] this exploration of a dead mall. I just love dead malls guys. Um, and this was like, I was, I was really like loving just this exploration of this like empty shut down mall. And then when shit got creepy, like that's even, it was even better for me. So you really like a star Wars episode

[00:33:26] one. Ah, dead mall. Son of a bitch. Yeah. Yeah. He gets, he gets cut in half of it at the end. Technically he doesn't die at the end of that. He just, he's presumed dead after he gets cut in half and falls down that pit. I thought he showed up and died in the same one. Yeah. And then, and then he was such a cool character. He got Boba fatted. He got, he got, uh, he got

[00:33:55] later shows and movies, but yeah. Wow. Nice. Nice. There. Uh, Mikey say Darth mall reference for those who aren't aware. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Also. So regarding the giant. Okay. I'm going to say this now the giant is both silly, but also very threatening to me. I can see that. It is like, it is silly. Like at a glance, like it is, it's just a giant,

[00:34:22] like art project thing, but like, yeah, with flowers for hands and stuff, but the nature, the, the, the things it does makes it threatening and like, gives me like, gives me some kind of dread of like a, what the fuck kind of dread. Um, also this goddamn giant. I've watched the series now twice and it has jump scared me the first time it appears both times. Yeah. And like outside of the poster that we see, but like when we actually, when, when

[00:34:48] it's like, just like he, when Wyatt goes around a corner and sees it, I got jump scared from that and like update, it continued to jump scare me throughout the video. Like I knew it was coming too. Like I've seen this video before and it still jump scared me, uh, whenever he'd show up. So yeah, just the, yeah, the idea of this thing, like rolling around of its own volition, stalking you in a mall. Um, there is just something strangely unknown about it

[00:35:14] and like threatening about it to me. Um, despite the fact that like, yes, from like a visual point of view, it is kind of silly, but again, it's sort of the similar situation with like mascot, mascot, mascot horror. Um, where like something that should not be scary can be scary with its like how it is acting and it's, and like the unknowable motive it has. Cause again, we don't know what this thing wants. Clearly it does want to either, it seems to want to harm

[00:35:43] Wyatt or at least like it, it's trying to like hunt him or stop or like follow him very closely. So like Wyatt is freaking out because it, he's not, he does like, he can't communicate with it properly and he's like, just it's coming toward him. So he's like gut reaction, like fight, flight or freeze. Yeah. And it's just like, yeah, I think it just stems from like the fact that like, as from, even from like childhood, like I always like found like certain, certain animated, like when an object suddenly becomes animated when it shouldn't be, I find

[00:36:11] that unsettling. And I think that's just like, it's not going to affect, not everybody's going to find like the giant creepy, but like a certain group of people will like myself, we'll find this thing somewhat unsettling and, and like, it'll work for the, the, um, the sake of this video. It's like Toy Story one when Sid sees like, oh my God, talking shit to him. Yeah. Like he is just a little toy and like, that wouldn't be scary. But as he starts talking,

[00:36:38] like, um, now play nice. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's, it's that kind of situation. Um, and then, yeah, uh, why it returns to the stairs only to find it blocked with rubble. Um, and that, at that point where I'm like watching, it's like, welcome to Carcosa mall. Like I, I, again, I just love the idea of the fact that like you, we never hear the sounds of the rubble

[00:37:07] of like the collapse. It's just collapsed now. Um, and he wasn't super duper far away from it either. No. Yeah. He should have probably been able to hear that kind of sound. Um, but all he heard was like the sound of like the lights turning on. So like maybe that, that might've covered it, but like, I honestly think it's even creepier because just, cause it's more in a surreal horror, like extra weird, surreal horror of like you turn around, you turn back and it's suddenly something different. Yeah. Suddenly like that.

[00:37:35] Go ahead. No, no. It's just like suddenly like that, that cleared area is now just like pile of rubble as if like some huge collapse, but like you should have heard that. Unless it's a situation where like that door that he opens is either like that is a like supernatural doorway of some, some sort, or it's just really well sound insulated. True. Yeah. It's kind of like in, uh, Ace Ventura one where he goes out on the, uh, the porch and

[00:38:04] he's like screaming going, ah, ah, as he's opening, closing the sliding door to prove that you can't. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's true. The, um, also regarding sound. Uh, so about the 26 minute mark, we start hearing like a rumbling sound. And at first I was like, is that storm sounds? Like when the music and the lights are turning on, like swear I could hear like, like it sounded like,

[00:38:29] like a storm was brewing overhead or like, like thunder was rolling. Um, although it could also have been like the giants rolls, like the giants wheels rolling like on the tile. Um, but because like, again, like adds to the whole Carcosa esque vibe or the surreal vibe of the fact that this underground mall frigging exists. But like the fact that like, I think it would be creepier if it's like thunder and stuff like that, that's rolling over overhead because of like the fact that this

[00:38:57] mall is underground. How are you hearing the weather? Like you're, you're hearing like the ambient horror or you're hearing the ambient sound of like the mall in its prime, like during a, like when there was a thunderstorm rolling overhead of this mall, um, back when it was like, uh, on the surface or something. Yeah. Cause it also like right now when it's underground, it's not just underground, it's like a mile underground. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Based on those stairs. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

[00:39:25] I really liked the, the cat and mouse scenes, um, like with Wyatt running between storefronts and into the utility back rooms. Ah, see, see why they're back rooms. Cause anyways, um, just like, I like, like, yeah, that's the tactic to do when you're like trying to evade someone in a, when you're trespassing, even like, and you're like, and you're trying to, you're trying to evade something that is like that large and just like wheeling around in like the main areas you're

[00:39:50] trying to, you're, you'd be like skirting between like the smaller avenues and like into like the smaller corridors. Right. Yeah. He, he's relatively smart with it. He's staying to all the smaller places where the giant can't get to because he's giant, including stairs, except when that doesn't help anymore. Well, cause, well, cause the, the, the creature knows how to use escalators. Yeah. He knew it turning on, I guess. Yeah. It wasn't on before. I have a feeling it's probably because this thing is like probably has control of like the power in

[00:40:19] this place. If I had to guess, but like, this is its domain or its layer. It has a layer. It has a layer. Yeah. Um, also interesting. So I'm, I'm a pretty big connoisseur of like found footage films and stuff. Um, and I generally don't like when I'm, when I found footage film adds a musical score that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I found there's a part

[00:40:45] in this video when there is an accompanying score, um, outside of like the mall speaker music, as far as I could tell, like you can still hear the mall music in the background, but then there's like this other score that was playing at certain moments, um, in the found footage format. Um, like when he's like investigating like the, the, the back area, like the back utility corridors and finds that like office space with all the layouts of the mall and like the paperwork and such. And usually again,

[00:41:13] like usually in found footage films that like, that bugs me, but given the surrealness of this video, um, and like how the story, how this video is like, uh, how these videos are made and such, it didn't bug me as much as I thought it would. I just took that as in the office space. That is the music that was being piped through it, but you can still hear like the, the, the, the music, uh, from, from outside. So like, is it in the office space, it's playing that music, but right behind him is

[00:41:41] the door to the mall, which is playing different music, the office in the office space. We really like to like, uh, for our employees, we really like to like play like, like horror movie scores. It kind of felt, it kept to me. It felt like a nineties horror movie, like a score. Um, which again, I honestly found very fitting, like it felt the kind of thing that you'd hear in like a TV horror

[00:42:05] film, uh, from the nineties. I'll put it on again. It is kind of slow and like droning. Yeah. Hmm. But again, this is like a weird anomalous area of unknown, whatever the fuck. So if that's just the way that that area is, then that's how it is, you know, but that's how I saw it. I saw it as it's just coming through there. Yeah. Um, similarly to, uh, the shifting between filming types,

[00:42:32] like predominantly this, this, this video, um, and, uh, the, the one, the one before it was primarily a found footage POV, but with some of the more creative shots interspersed throughout the videos, like the first one, and even some of the later ones. And at the end of this video, uh, it suddenly cuts away to a much more like kind of like traditional filming style. Um, not a found footage, uh, as it looks at, uh, Kane's body. Um, so, and again, usually that like

[00:43:01] annoys me. Like I've had some, some pretty, like, so some, I've had some, some, uh, axes to grind with certain movies that do that where like they, it starts off with found footage and then becomes a feature film, like traditional feature film style of like filming. And it's like, you know, this one, again, the way the Wayne Kane like has been making this and the way like, uh, the, this video films almost like dream core or like surreal, um, almost lynchian in a way as well.

[00:43:28] Uh, the filmmaking style works like the, the, I guess Kane manages to mesh the video, the filming types, um, very well for me where it doesn't piss me off or, or bug me similar to like the music score situation from earlier. But again, like that could have also like, like gamer, you brought up, like it could have also just been like in setting, um, through the offices, um, PA versus the main

[00:43:52] mall PA. Um, and then we get this like foggy forest version of the mall that I thought was really cool and creepy. Cause it was like sort of blending. If there is some, some kind of a link between the, uh, the bearded man, like who seems to be the creator of that art studio stuff. And like, he's out in the, on that wood space or that forest space. And then like the mall, it's almost like they're meshing together. Like those are bleeding together. Yeah. I thought that was pretty cool.

[00:44:19] Um, again, definitely it's like shit hits the fan. Like once he, like once, once a King or once why gets back out into the mall and start seeing that it's like, Oh, you fucked up. There's a small amount of foreshadowing to it as well. Not that you would ever pick it up though. When he's out in the normal mall, like looking at some of the art that's like in the windows and stuff, there's like the picture of the guy that looks like the first guy and then right underneath it, there's just

[00:44:44] like a small branch with some leaves on it. I didn't, I didn't notice that. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And maybe like, that's just like part. Yeah. Like, yeah, that's definitely like a nice little bit of foreshadowing. I like that. If that's, if that's what it was going for. Um, also, um, I think Wyatt trying to escape the giant and the mall, uh, by going along that

[00:45:13] ridge gave like, so like that mall, like that whole scene of like why it's attempted escaping, like by like, by like basically like, um, uh, shimmying across the ledge, uh, like while two stories up and like trying to evade the giant that's trying to like, that's like cracking like the, like the structure and stuff like that, that gave me more fucking dread and anxiety than anything else in this video. Like I was, it was like the rest of the video, like had

[00:45:42] this like creepiness, but like more of like a, just like, uh, I love this liminal space and this, like this it's, it's just such a fun like thing. And like, Oh no, he's going to get caught by the, by the giant, blah, blah, blah. But then for me personally, cause I have a fear of heights him like, like just like shimmying along the edge and trying to get to that, that opening was so nerve wracking to me. And then when he fell, I was like, Oh fuck, it's stuck so much. Yeah. Like that's literally my worst nightmare is, is like the,

[00:46:12] the, the outcome of that. Yeah. Um, and yeah, so by the end of this, like, so Wyatt's dead, right? Like that, that did not sound like a healthy crunch. I mean, it shows him dead on the ground in the forest. Yeah. Um, also the giant just Oh yeah. Yeah. So yeah. That, that scene as well. Like when he's like laying there on like, like his body's in the, on, in that little like Glenn and that little like forest

[00:46:39] glade. And then like, you just see the, the giant's face in the bushes watching him. Um, I did, I'm sure that was supposed to be like serious or like, like something like creepy and profound, but it did come off a little silly to me. Just like the giant, like watching him. Um, I mean, maybe what happened was he fell and then the giant like took him to the forest

[00:47:08] and is like waiting for him to wake up. Maybe. Yeah. Cause he wants to chase him more. Yeah. Maybe that forest is some kind of like mystical space. Um, it's weird that it's like a giant, but like the mask is like a foot off the ground somehow. Yeah. So he's like no clips through the ground to just peek up through and see if he's up yet. Or again, again, it is a giant or it definitely seems like some kind of supernatural creature or something. So like maybe you can just like

[00:47:38] alter its form sometimes. Maybe it's not always the giant, but yeah, it'd be cool actually. If like you see him there and then you see him just disappear into the ground, like actually just fully no clip. I would like there he's dead. I got rid of them, dump them outside. I got to get back to the mall. Yeah. Time to go to the mall, get back to the mall. Yeah, it's possible. Um, but that is,

[00:48:00] that is all I have for the rolling giant. So Mikey, what do you got? All right. So we get, um, the, um, name of the mall, the Valley view center. Yeah. Um, and quick Google search. Uh,

[00:48:22] it closed, it closed in 2022 and, uh, was demolished in 2023. Yes. That's so thinking that I didn't know when this was made. So it could be that it's the mall was buried. It died and it's been buried

[00:48:47] underground. The video came out October, 2023 and the, uh, it was demolished in May of 2023. Yeah. So just like Mikey and I'm assuming just like you two called this, I also looked up where it is, if it's real and it is. Um, and like, honestly me reading that, um, I, so when I looked up, it said Valley view center was a shopping mall located at blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Reading

[00:49:16] that alone was kind of spooky because like this abandoned mall that is in the middle of a forest is actually real. And I half expected Wikipedia article to say like operated from X year to Y year until it suddenly disappeared from its location by unknown means, you know? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. It kind of helped with the immersion, honestly, just like reading that it used to be a mall.

[00:49:38] Yeah. Um, but yeah, uh, to pull back the curtain a little bit though, it was a real mall that was getting worse over the years and it was, there was vagrants living in it and fire. So it was demolished as we talked about, um, in may of 2023 yet the videos are from October, 2023. So maybe they teleported the whole mall into the ground of a random forest instead of like demolishing it,

[00:50:04] or maybe it just takes a while to make a video or the mall underground is the ghost memory of the mall above as above. So below. Possibly. Yeah. Regardless. I love that Kane like saw this as a moment to make something out of this to like outlast them all itself. Like it's such a great

[00:50:30] opportunity. And I think it adds to his active performance as well. Like, just like assuming at this point, I was still assuming that he was actually like going there to film some of this as well, because like he, some of his fear could be like, uh, am I going to get spotted? Yeah. Exactly. Are there actually homeless people here that are going to like shank me? Yeah. He's actually like worried about like, yeah, exactly.

[00:50:55] Yeah. Well, and, uh, to my next point, uh, I didn't really understand why he freaked down so much from the lights and music turn on. Like, cause he doesn't see anything at that point. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's worried because it's like, he's worried about getting caught and like, oh no, I've tripped a silent alarm. Like I'm going to get in trouble. Like I didn't see the silent

[00:51:22] alarm. What I saw it as he's going through the darkness, exploring stuff. And then all of a sudden the lights start turning on. So, oh shit, there's someone here that is actively turning the lights on maybe because they heard me and they're coming to find me. Yeah, exactly. It's like, he's suddenly exposed. Like it's that fear of being exposed for, for doing something, you know, you're not supposed to be or being somewhere you're not, you know, you're not supposed to be. Yeah. But the thing is my issue is that it would have been better if he froze

[00:51:51] instead of running around, because I mean, he's the only thing moving. So he stands out like a sore thumb if anything is looking for him. If the lights turn on and he's standing in the middle of like the main like hallway, he can't just stand there and wait for someone to come find him and kill him. He has to hide. Yeah. Well, but he can stand there as until he sees something because theoretically he

[00:52:17] should see something. I don't know. I don't know. He also theorized in the actual dialogue that like he said, like, I don't know if I should be running away from this or going to investigate it. Like if it's people here, maybe I could just find them and they'll help me get out of here. Yeah. Just like just apologize and just like, hopefully like sort out the situation, like be like, that's actually kind of logical in a way, like his reasoning of for that. Yeah. And in regards to the lights,

[00:52:47] I found it kind of interesting to make like the exploration take place, like the calm exploration take place in the mall when the lights and music are off, just calmly walking around in the quiet, exploring, seeing the art of the spooky guy. Then oops, the lights are turning on. Like it's almost like that. Um, like it's right after he sees like the rolling giant, it's almost like that was either a, some hidden detection system for the mall, uh, like making the lights turn on

[00:53:16] and all that makes, but like, because of that, like I said before, it makes the lights turning on feel like a hazard because he was calm. There was no problem before then all of a sudden there's a change there, something different. This is not right. You know? Yeah. He's, he's entering a panicked mode now and like, exactly. He's not going to make, like, he's going to be a lot more like erratic in his choices because like, again, he's, it's basically like getting flash banged in a way.

[00:53:39] A little bit. Yeah. And like in most media, like he would be exploring something with the lights on and then the lights turn off and that's when things are bad. Yeah. But this is the opposite, which I kind of prefer in a way because like with the lights being on, uh, being the danger, you have the viewer like actively looking at every nook and cranny for things that are like, uh, trying to jump out and,

[00:54:06] or chase them down and kill them and stuff. And I feel like that keeps a viewer more engaged than just having, being in darkness and waiting for a jump scare to happen, you know? Yeah. And well, the, I mean, sometimes with the, uh, when darkness is there, it's, you are, you're also, you're basically like spraining or spraining, you're straining your eyes to like see in the darkness, like for any kind of objects that like, like any clues or hints, but yeah, with this one, it's definitely a lot more like

[00:54:35] it's easier. And therefore you're like, you, now you're looking, it's kind of like you're being overstimulated with the surroundings. It's because you're now trying to look everywhere at the same time. Yeah. Cause for like X amount of minutes you were understimulated because it was just a flashlight that all of a sudden danger. Oh, also you can see everywhere, you know, everywhere is danger now. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely like a new way of, of horror of like, uh, cause like again,

[00:55:04] in the past, like horror, like less is more, like don't like show less, uh, like less is more and stuff of that. So like have the, like have the darkness basically be a way of like covering up, uh, some of the flaws in your video, in, in your film and stuff like that, or in your effects and such. Um, but also cause people can't see in the dark. So like things that people tend to get a lot more anxious when they're staring through at a dark screen or like at a, at a darkened location.

[00:55:28] But in this, there's like a new wave of, of horror, like filming and, and like, um, and, uh, uh, presentation where it's like, no, you can see everything and that's just as bad. So yeah. Ignorance is bliss sometimes when it comes to horror. Yep. Being able to see all the things is when you go mad. Yeah. That, yeah. Revelation is worse. Ignorance is bliss. Revelation is worse.

[00:55:55] Uh, next note here, the, uh, stairway being destroyed was a nice touch and he's trapped forever. Yep. It was also cool. Like when he went to like the main entrances and stuff, I don't know if you're gonna bring this up. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And they were blocked by stone. Yeah. Yeah. Just like bedrock. Yeah. It's like, oh man, you're fucked. All right. And my next note here.

[00:56:26] is for me where the video fell apart for me. So there's a point where he looks down at a kid zone that's illuminated and that kid zone looks fake as anything. Like that's when I was like, oh, that's clearly CGI.

[00:56:50] Um, and once that happened, my immersion was completely broken. That is unfortunate. And that's like, like the monster shows up like a couple of minutes later. I mean, I, okay. I'm looking at it now. I do. Yeah. It doesn't, there's like, um, timestamp. Oh yeah. So the timestamp for when he sees this is about 28, 55, about 28, 50, like 28 minutes and 50 seconds in. And I just scroll past that.

[00:57:17] I didn't see, um, it's like right before, right after, like right after he took a look at the Midtown artist studio, uh, and he looks down into the, the atrium like area or like the basically like the little, like the hole. Oh, sorry. It's, sorry. I'm it's, uh, 28 minutes and 45 or 40 seconds. Uh, is when he's looking down the hole somewhere around somewhere around 20 minutes. Um, but, uh, yeah, I do.

[00:57:47] I can, I can kind of see it like to me, like maybe cause like I was like, it was, it was there for a moment and then it was gone. I was like, Oh, that just looks like it's just plastic. Like the, the, the plastic of those like toys and stuff. But like, now that I'm like sitting down and actually like watching it, like looking at it for a little bit longer, it does kind of reveal that it might be visually like CG, but like, it's still kind of like because of how fast it's in this video. Like, and also maybe, maybe it depends.

[00:58:16] What were you watching the video on? Were you watching it like on a TV or like on your, on a monitor? Uh, laptop monitor. Okay. So usually like, that's how people, either people are watching these videos through like either their phone or on, on like a laptop or a computer monitor. So, but I, I don't know. Like it's good to me. Yeah, no, it is good, but yeah. Is the problem like there's not enough like scuffing on it? Like it looks too brand new. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:58:44] And well, then I think it shows it twice because he looks at it and then he goes to see the exit and then he comes back and looks at it again and it's still like, it just looks too clean. Yeah. There's not enough like, uh, imperfections. Yeah. Um, and then because that took me out of immersion when he's walking away from there and you see

[00:59:10] the reflection of the, um, the, uh, railing behind him, there's a point where there should definitely be his reflection. In that reflection. Maybe. Where? Give me a timestamp. Um, so it's around, uh, 30 minutes in. There's like, I think it's like, is what you're, is what Mikey's referring to unless Mikey wants

[00:59:39] to give me a more, uh, give me a more reliable timestamp. Uh, yeah. I don't, I don't remember ever seeing a shot where I felt like he should have been in the reflection. Yeah. I'm not like, I think he's being pretty like Kane, like out of, out of video. Kane's being pretty smart about hiding, hiding himself in reflections. I think I know the one he's talking about. It's, uh, last ones. Yeah.

[01:00:07] It's when he's walking away from the kid zone. Yes. He looks at that art thing. He turns around and walks away. So at 29, 49, he starts walking away. And I think you're talking about the mirror on the left, but I don't think he would be in it from this angle. Yeah.

[01:00:29] It's more the, or the mirror after that, after he gets around the, uh, the column, there's another mirror that's at a 45 degree. Yeah. Or like 30 something, 30, yeah. 30 minutes. It's after 30 minutes. It's right. Uh, 30, 30. Or 30, 26. Okay.

[01:00:59] Oh yeah. Cause so. And by the way, those aren't really, I mean for, for clarity for anybody like who's like keeping, keeping in touch. Those aren't mirrors. Those are just like the reflections, um, in the, in the, in the shop, the shopping windows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The store windows. Um, but yeah, I, I mean, I don't know, like the reflections are pretty like they're the way they're angled. Like, I don't think he would be in those reflections. He would be in this one. Are you sure? At the frame 30, 26.

[01:01:26] That mirror is like almost perpendicular with it. Oh yeah. And it's showing the corner that he just walked around and behind him would be a railing. That one would show him. That's true. Hmm. I mean, again, like we're nitpicking. Oh, for sure. Like, I'm just trying to see if Mikey is wrong or not. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, Mikey, like, again, like, like if this, if this ruined it for you, I'm sorry, but like, yeah. Well, it was the kid zone.

[01:01:54] It was the kid zone that ruined it for me. So because I was like, oh, it's CG. Now I start looking for imperfections. Yeah. That's fair. Like until that point, I was immersed and not thinking anything about CGI. Yeah. Honestly. Thankfully for me, I kept that immersion for pretty much the whole thing, actually. Yeah. Same. Yeah.

[01:02:21] Well, unfortunately, because that's where my immersion disappeared and we finally get the monster showing up and I'm like, it's just CGI. I'm not scared. Like, it's just the, the whole reveal to me was a whimper instead of a bang. Something doesn't have to be like real to be scary though. You know, like I know what it is trying to sell it as there's a dude that's actually there. Yeah.

[01:02:49] Well, it's just the immersion is the key. I guess. Yeah. Are you not scared of like slasher movies with like Jason Voorhees and stuff because they're not real? Cause you know, that that's Kane Hodder. I think his name is. A different Kane. At least with the slasher movies, you have a guy in a suit and it's not CGI. Okay. You're missing the point, but let's move on. Yeah. We're done. I agree to disagree on your, on your view here, but okay. Yeah.

[01:03:20] All right. Yeah. Yeah. And then later, uh, I have a note when he's in the, the offices looking at the, the paper stacked on the desk and the, uh, map and whatnot is that the, the paper seemed too flat and, uh, not, uh, that there's no crinkles or anything to them.

[01:03:46] Like to, as they would have, because that's how paper works. You're not going to have a perfectly flat, huge map unless they were very, very, very careful. This is also a mall that is under, uh, under a mile underground. It's great. They, they kind of look like they're on like cardboard. That's true.

[01:04:11] Like the, the, I know what the, some present, some, uh, like some presentations do use like, uh, not like particle board, but like almost like a foam board for the, to present like maps and stuff. But yeah, it is like, these are basically blueprints. Yeah. Hmm. And then, um, there was a point where there's sticky notes and the sticky notes were vibrant, way too vibrant colors when the light hits it.

[01:04:40] Um, not noticing any of this. I know. Mikey's just being Simon Cowell. Yeah. Like being really nitpicky on like now, now that like the, like the, like the, the, the shimmer, like the, the, the, the sense of the sense of immersion is gone from Mikey. He's just like, all right, time to poke every hole. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the glamour has worn off. I don't know. Like I'm seeing like some of the maps, like some of the, like the layout of the big layout of the, of the, of the, uh, the mall.

[01:05:09] I do, I do see some like some bend or some like fold in the, um, uh, in the, in the, in the paper, but yeah, actually you can see it kind of rippling on the right there. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's very, like very, very subtle, but yeah, I don't know. Hmm. All right. Maybe they're all freshly printed. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

[01:05:36] Uh, my last note for this video is that, uh, this is the worst emergency roof exit ever. Yes, absolutely. I would a hundred percent agree. Like fuck that sucks. You gotta get around, like not only a corner, you know, you just shoot me across this like what? Two foot ledge and go over, go over some like support beams.

[01:06:06] Like precariously. Yeah. Precariously. Also, Holy God. I'm like, look at it now. There's not even a foot, like right in front of that, that, that exit. There's like, not even like a ledge. It's just the two support beams creating a V right in the middle of that, that exit. It's like, yeah, it's pretty rough. It's the worst. There's nowhere to stand. Yeah. Oh, that's so good though. But this is like, yeah, that's the, I hate it. Like again, like out of all this, like I was getting creeped up by like getting jump scared by the giant.

[01:06:35] I was getting like secondhand anxiety, like anxiety from, from Wyatt, like, like being cat and moused by the creature and stuff. But it was the actual, like my actual anxiety about heights with this, with this, uh, the, this shimmying of the ledge that really got me. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, Gamer and Yellow's turn. All right. Gamer and Yellow, what do you have?

[01:07:06] All right. Uh, well, right around the start or not, when he actually gets in there and he's like the security shutter snapping up and making a loud ass noise, I love that he just nopes out and it's like visibly freaking out. Yeah. Like the way he is like, that's, it's so like real to that. It's like, Oh fuck. That made a lot of noise. If anyone's here, they totally heard me. I'm out. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. Yeah.

[01:07:31] So, and then it jumps to the next scene, which is presumably when he like sat down to shut the camera off to like get calmed down to get his nerve back. Because when he continued, he wasn't like breathing heavily or anything like that anymore. So like he got his gumption back. And then Susie actually stepped inside and like, like he took a cursory look around the place as one would.

[01:08:00] I'm shocked. He didn't go check the directory first. It was directly to the right of him. Yeah. He never went there until much, much, much later after like he found out that there's no way to out. But like, I don't know. That's like the one thing that would be showing him where he is exactly what the place is, what's around him. Instead, he read like the art walk ad and then went for the escalator, like priorities, man.

[01:08:29] You don't know where you are. You don't know where to go. You find the map. I don't know. Like, yeah, at this point, like, I think maybe he just got caught up in like the, the, the marvel of like, what the fuck is this place? Like, oh, probably. I'm thinking this from an outside perspective of me who is not him with different thought processes and different levels of anxiety because he's actually there. Yeah. So I get it. But still unfortunate. At least we got to see it later though. It wasn't ignored. Yeah.

[01:09:01] But either way, um, the lights come on and he's freaking out trying to leave. He sees the, the store that he came in from. He's like, okay. And he runs through there and then he gets to the back. He's like, okay, we're out. And it pans over to show the stairs are collapsing. Me. I'm just like, shit. Yeah. We're fucked. That kind of thing. Yeah. Just like, oh, poop. Yeah. Yeah. It was a really good reveal.

[01:09:28] And then he does a little bit more, uh, exploring around after, um, seeing the map and where the actual exits are. He goes to one of them and then it says exit to ellipses Preston road. Um, like when I saw that, I'm like, wow, that's just like really well done. The rocks actually look like they're a part of all this. They're not just kind of like CG behind real footage. Um, yeah, it was just really well done. I didn't think it was going to go that way.

[01:09:57] I thought it was just going to be like, it's locked and you can't see through the, uh, through the glass for whatever reasons, like board it up or something. But the fact that you, you can see through and you see that, no, you are fucked actually. You are indeed, you are indeed underground. There is no exit. Yeah. This place. Wait, after that, uh, after the failed exit through the main doors, I'm surprised he didn't

[01:10:22] start pulling on security shutters for every single store they went by because like, he's got nowhere to go at this point. Like he needs to get a way out. And the way that he got in was through a shop. So I don't know why I'm trying every shop to see if he got lucky because like, I know they have a twist lock and a key in them, but again, he might get lucky. Yeah. And there's always like, again, he was able to get into like the back, like utility areas. So like there might, like those are usually like, like link up to the behind the storefronts and such.

[01:10:50] So yeah, like there could have been, uh, he could have lucked out. Also, I kind of like the idea, like, so that one staircase is behind that storefront wherever he, wherever Wyatt lives. What if like there are other stairwells from other storefronts that go that, that like, that come out somewhere else. Like this place is already like. Like, yeah, there's another one you go up and you end up in Tokyo. Exactly. Or yeah, you're just like, or you're in like, again, you, you come out one, you're in like

[01:11:19] a rolling, the rolling hills of Ireland or, or like, um, like you're in, you're coming out of like a Barrow Hill in, um, in, uh, in, in England. One and you show up in hell, literally hell. Yeah. Just, I'm not going to take that one, but yeah. Um, then there's a sequence where he's walking around and you could see the, uh, the rolling giant in the distance, like across a huge opening from him.

[01:11:49] And he's like, there it is again. I'm going to go see what it is. Um, then like he starts to walk around this big opening. And by the time he gets there, which wasn't that long, it's just gone. Yeah. I'm watching that right now. It's done in one shot and it's too short of a time for anyone to scoot in and actually pick it up and move it. So that was just like a really nicely done kind of scene there. Cause for me at this point, I'm assuming that like, he's just filming in, in the location.

[01:12:18] He just CG Lee put the guy in the distance and then just didn't put him in the next scene. Like it, but it worked really well. Yeah. Oh, sorry. And then after that, my next note is a map. Finally. Yes. I'm at that. I'm like, what? You're giving me commentary as I'm watching a little bit, a little bit, but yeah, a map. Finally, you only should have looked for that immediately when you first got in. Well, at least I personally would have for me, but I'm not Wyatt. So I already said that before, whatever, moving on.

[01:12:46] Um, and then at the third instance of him seeing the spooky art guy, sorry, the rolling giant, I should refer to him that I wrote for that spooky art guy in my notes because I didn't realize that, oh yeah, he's the rolling giant. Um, but he hears it, he turns around and it's there spooky. And then after trying to speak to what he walks away, he hears a move again. He turns around and I love that you can see it's still freewheeling a little bit towards

[01:13:14] him with the momentum that it had because it's on wheels. Like that's a nice subtle touch. It's not just moving around like that SCP entity that does that. Um, it actually, yeah. Yeah. Like it actually has momentum in its own wheels. So it would keep freewheeling a little bit. It was a nice subtle touch. And then he finds the office area. Um, and then he says, any phones in here I could use?

[01:13:41] And then as soon as he said that, I'm like, wait, this is 2023. You have a phone. He, he's probably recording on his phone right now. Why hasn't he tried using it? I mean, at all. There's a good chance. Like, yeah. There's a good chance. It's underground. So no signal. I think, but like, yeah, there should have been a scene where he like pulls out his phone and like has no, no cell reception. Cause he's a mile under, under, under bedrock basically.

[01:14:11] Like, yeah, again, like you said, just a single scene of him trying, it would be nice. Or even just saying that he's trying it. You don't even have to show it on the video. You could just be like, fuck. I could try. Oh yeah. Cause you wouldn't be able to see it on the video. Cause he'd be turning the recording off to check his phone for stuff, I guess. Or would you still be able to? Just you wouldn't be able to see it on the video, I guess. Would you? No, I don't think so. Yeah. But either way, turning it off. It's like, oh shit. I should see if I actually have cell service down here. Video off. Video on. Fuck. There's no cell service down here. Damn it. Yeah.

[01:14:41] That would have been a good like scene to have in it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Or again, even just like, cause if he's actually using like a, like a legit camera and not like a nice phone, put the camera off to the side and just like have him like off, like don't even have to show his face or anything. Just like, like just maybe see him in, in view for a moment, like trying his phone is like, fuck no service. What the fuck? And then get the camera again and start filming again. I am 95% sure that he films on his phone. Yeah. When it shows him dead, he's dead on the ground with a broken phone next to him. Okay.

[01:15:09] Then yeah, it was the phone then. Yeah. Anyway, moving on. Um, but not moving on too far. We're still in the office. So there's the different maps of the different, like the way that I saw those different maps, especially with the context that he read, read later on about like refer to this one. If all the, uh, exits are blocked, they're basically different maps for different states that the, uh, uh, the mall could be in not like, not United States location.

[01:15:38] No, like the, the, the, the, the condition of the mall or like the different like version of the mall. For sure. So like whoever built this or at least like whoever previously survived in this and figured out a way to get out, like actually maps things out. It's like, okay, well, if it's like this, then you can get out this way. You know, I found that kind of cool. I didn't even clue to that, but yeah, that's definitely a cool, like survivor, like leaving something for the next guy or for the next person. It's possible. Yeah.

[01:16:09] There isn't too much evidence about like someone being here before him like that. All that stuff could have just been there when it was already shut down and got teleported away. I don't know, but yeah. Either way. And then after that, he leaves and he sees the overgrown version of the mall. And it's like so surreal seeing like a structure that's so far gone. Yeah. That there's like moss and grass and trees going through it. Yet the lights are still on.

[01:16:38] Like it's so wrong. Yeah, no, this is like, this is the part of this, of this video where it definitely enters like dream core, like mall core and dream core, like vibes where like, it's this combination of like, again, a mall, but with nature, like overtaking it. And like in weird, in a weird way, not like a, it doesn't even look like it kind of looks like in a way that like be it's beyond, um, just like an abandoned mall being overtaken

[01:17:08] by nature. It's like nature is, is cut taking over in a much more surreal way in this, in this case. Cause like there's, there's plant, there's grass and growing through the tiles on the second floor. Like that's weird. It's again, it's almost like, it almost gives me like that in Alan wake too. There's a, there's a similar situation where like you're walking through like an urban area and suddenly the urban area begins bleeding into a forest.

[01:17:35] Um, and you start seeing like elements of a forest in like kind of bleeding into the, into the, the same level of this like urban decay. Um, and it's, it kind of gave me that kind of vibe. Like it's where it's just like two, again, two layer, like two things are basically just meshing over top of each other. Um, and not like stuff's just growing in, like growing in where it can find a way. No, it's just intrusively smacking together. Yeah. They're no clip together basically. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[01:18:05] How back rooms of it. Well, I mean, like, like, like, uh, why it says this is just like those back rooms videos on Tik TOK. Indeed. But either way, moving on, he's headed towards the, uh, like the AMC exit, um, the emergency roof exit and all that. Yeah. And he's getting chased by the rolling giant and that at the top, like it's getting closer to him and the lights are starting to flicker.

[01:18:31] And then it shows like dead people and animals, like dead animals on the ground for like a half a second. Does it? It absolutely does. There's a dead horse. There's a dead, I think there might be a dead dog. I just, I just, were you just, no joke. No joke. I like switch. I like, I was like, like pushed by, like pushed the, like the meter over like the scene over to like a spot where like, and I like, it just flashed it, like flashed on the screen. I just got shocked.

[01:19:00] Even though I told you it was going to happen. I know. I did. And you can still see them. Like there's like some, like, like when he's like crawling across the, uh, the, the edge and he looks back and like, you can see another, like there's the body of another horse or something like off by the wall. And it's like, holy shit. Oh my God. That was so fun. Like funny that that like, just like pop that, that like got me all like for real, like live on recording. Yes. Like right now.

[01:19:30] It's fucking weird. Right. Yeah. Again, like this is like what I'm thinking. Like this thing's like, it's like the, like a ghost memory of like, of this place or something. So, yeah, I don't know the way I saw it is like, it kind of leans this place into more of like a multi reality kind of place. Like, because you see it shifting from different realities and stuff. And like, I don't know how a dead horse showed up here, but so like the idea, the thing I'm

[01:19:59] again, this is what I keep coming to is like, so this is the memory of this mall, like past present future kind of stuff. So like this, like some of the stuff we're seeing, like the nature stuff, we might be seeing like what the mall was, what the land, the mall was on before it was a mall. Yeah. Kind of thing. So like, we're seeing that stuff. Oh, and there he goes falling. And yeah, like maybe like the dead horses or the dead people are from like some shooting

[01:20:27] that happened like in the forest back in the fricking like wild west days or something. I don't know. Yeah. Who knows? It could be anything either way. It was kind of neat. Yeah. Very neat. Very surreal. I'm just like, what the fuck's going on? And then actually speaking of him walking along the, uh, uh, the path to get out. I like slash hate the commitment to filming while he's walking along a two foot wide. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:20:57] Yeah. Yeah. I kind of, I kind of wish he was like, okay, putting this, this, uh, phone in my pocket. Fuck this. Then not even turn the recording off, just put it in his pocket. Yeah. And then you hear him shimmying. You can hear his hands like sliding on the wall and then like hear the tumble and the slam. And like, maybe the phone flies out of his pocket and spins while like staring at the ceiling while the recording's still going, or it perfectly lands on something to have

[01:21:24] like Wyatt's body, like still in like the corner of the shot showing them dead. Yeah, that is, that is definitely the crux of many found footage films is like, why is the person still filming as they are running for their lives? And so like using their like camera, like their eyes for sure. Yeah. Like I, it's definitely one of those things that like you have to kind of give and take and like suspend your disbelief sometimes, or like, it's like, eh, it's like, I'll, I have to let that go. Cause like, like, otherwise we wouldn't have like some of the visuals that we get that from that.

[01:21:54] But yeah, if it's dark because like, I'm not going to do that. Like some cameras would have like a night vision thing. So you'd be able to see better through it. But when it, the lights are on and you're 50 feet from falling to your death, it's like, no, you put that in your pocket and use both hands. Yeah. It's definitely one of those things where like, um, there's certain film, found footage films that have like found a way around that by using like, uh, either GoPros or even like, um, Google glasses. Yeah.

[01:22:22] Um, like they actually just, they're like, then they're hands free. Right. So, but yeah. Especially with this one, like he's on his phone. Like he would not be fucking like, like have it on his phone as he's using one hand to get across that cross beam or like, no wonder he fell. Yeah. No kidding. Especially since like those gray beams, like the darker gray beams, like go up. Like that's a very good handhold. You can grab onto that with both hands and just swing around and just put your foot. Yeah, no, it's definitely one of the, yeah, it's, it's one of those things you have to

[01:22:51] like when you're watching all found footage, you just have to like, yes, it is kind of silly. Just, just go with it for now. Oh, for sure. It didn't wreck it. It's just like in hindsight after he fell, I'm like, why was he still recording that? Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. He's quote unquote safe from the creature. He could just take a second, put it in his pocket and safely get out. Yeah. Also, I liked how when the creature like smashed into that, like, um, into that railing area and like that wall, there was like actual like environmental destruction. Yeah.

[01:23:21] And like a crack wall. Yeah. Like it revealed like, yes, it's a very good reason why, why it was keeping away from this thing. Like, thank God. Cause like, who knows what this thing was capable of. Mm. Yeah. Like how the crack like goes up the wall. It doesn't just show up. Like you see it spreading up the wall. Yeah. For sure. I'm like pushing at the wall, trying to get through it. It's very cool. Yes. Either way. Uh, my next note is basically just overall for the whole thing.

[01:23:50] Uh, this entry is the meat and potatoes of the dish for sure. Yeah. Uh, at 45 minutes long, it really should be. Um, I found this part is like really well paced considering it's 45 minutes long. Um, like I didn't feel bored or lose interest at any point during it. And I like how the mall kept evolving and changing as he explored. Yeah. I'm still very confused about green hill zone, uh, that we see at the end, but I'm hoping a better explanation later. Spoilers.

[01:24:20] I don't get one. Uh, so like I kind of assumed it's like a limbo space or something. Since he's dead. Maybe. I think maybe like, as I said before, a little bit like the spooky or sorry, the rolling giant took him there to like, to get him out of the mall. Cause he's basically being a security guard right now. Yeah. I, I, I almost wonder if like, again, like, like, like I've said before, like the bearded man in that forest Glen, like that's the memory. Like that's that, that's the giant's memory of being a person.

[01:24:50] Mm. Um, and then like maybe when he, when that guy died, he, he, his spirit inhabited like, like became the giant in this like ghost memory of this mall that he had an art studio at. So like, and like now like that, like, again, like I definitely liked, I definitely think there's a theme here of like, um, something lost trying to be remembered again.

[01:25:16] Um, with the, uh, with the spirit of this mall and like the spirit of like this, the, this, this guy in this giant. So that's just like my own like personal, like take on what's going on. So. Yeah. But that's all I got for that. All right. Well, then we go on to a life of a giant, which, uh, is essentially, uh, it's, it's basically a, um, an old, like eighties or nineties video.

[01:25:46] About the art project. And, oh God, there are more giants. Mm. Um, in the art project. And like, it's like showcasing like actual footage from the mall back in its heyday, like in its prime and showcasing the, the art sculpture of the giant, like in the mall. Like, uh, but then it cuts to like some, uh, cuts to some, like, uh, some versions of the mall, like back, I guess when it was derelict and people were like spray painting, like occult fucking shit. All over the mall by the mall.

[01:26:16] Um, and then like the, the, the giant is like left there with them all to basically just sit and, and dwell. And then we get footage of the mall being demolished. Um, and finally a video, uh, a portrait of the, the portrait we see in, in some of the, uh, the posters of the bearded man. Um, and then a black and white video of like, what looks like some kind of occult temple of some kind on a hill.

[01:26:45] Um, so I, this is where like the video gets a little bit more artsy, um, for me. Um, and it makes me wonder like, yeah, there was definitely some kind of like, this guy was an artist, but also there was some kind of occultism going on perhaps with him. Did they like build the mall on some like sacrificial site? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They built it on Carcosa. Yeah. Cause yeah, for my observations for this one, I was like, oh no, there were other giants in the art studio.

[01:27:15] Maybe the, maybe the, maybe the giant that we see is eight, the others. It's possible. Um, but yeah, so as, as I'm, I've been watching these videos, I definitely got a sense of like something lost or buried trying to be remembered. I said this just a minute ago, but, and this video here definitely cements that because just like this.

[01:27:37] As I was watching it, I was just getting the sense of like nostalgia for something in the past that was cleared for progress or like it was like abandoned. And then it was cleared out for, to make way for something else. Um, and so now the giant just waits and like in its, in, in its, in its subterranean, like copy of the mall. Um, so definitely getting some Carcosa vibes, some King in yellow.

[01:28:02] Um, were I to use this site like for inspiration for like a, a Call of Cthulhu game scenario or something, there'd definitely be some pull of like Carcosa and the King in yellow. Um, just with how like kind of weird this, this place is. And like, and, and the fact that it like, it deals with memory distorted seemingly to me. Like, I don't know.

[01:28:24] I was definitely getting that vibe of like, there's like something's trying to be remembered or like, that's like sort of the horror of this is like the horror of something lost, trying to be remembered. And dragging people with it. Um, but, uh, yeah, that's, that's my observations and notes for the life of a giant. So Mikey.

[01:28:48] Uh, it's interesting, uh, that we see the actual demolition of the, uh, mall. Yeah. Or at least a portion of it. And at least one still frame of the fire. Cause apparently there was a fire as well. Yeah. And actual footage of the giants. Um, so that solidifies that they exist.

[01:29:13] They existed at one point and they still exist just underground. Yeah. And it's interesting in the fact that it's actual footage of something being destroyed. Um, what not, but, and it is artsy as you pointed out. Um, but that's all I have to say.

[01:29:44] All right. Gamer. Yeah. This one was a strange one. Um, it was like a retrospective of the life of the rolling giant, obviously, as you said, like it was basically made for an art thing, people seeing it and finding it awesome. Then the mall gets abandoned and it becomes sentient for reasons. And it chases people down, perhaps just for photo opportunities based on this. Honestly, that would be really funny. That's why, that's why the mall had to go down. That's why the mall got like even more like derelict and like the mall had to be demolished.

[01:30:13] It's like, okay, this thing keeps attacking people that like come in here. Oh no, it's not attacking people. It just wants to be near them for selfies. Remember me. Yeah. Remember me. It doubly makes sense. Yeah. Why it's holding a phone the whole time? Oh my God. Yeah. That's just what the selfie with you, Wyatt. Stop running. Dude, this is a buddy horror. Absolutely a buddy horror. Oh my God. This is 100% a buddy horror. This, this poor giant just wants to be remembered.

[01:30:41] Like it was created by some mad sorcerer who was a follower of Carcosa or something. Maybe, who knows? And, and it was built for this, like this, this art, art, art exhibit in the nineties. It like, it was in its prime. And then like the people, less and less people started showing up to the mall. And then eventually the mall just became like abandoned or empty. Like they closed down. And so like, then it got demolished.

[01:31:09] So it's home is gone and like has no more like people to like see it. It's just, it's just, it's just a guy. It's just an artist or an art piece past its prime trying to be noticed by the world. Yeah. That's my headcanon anyway. That is 100%. Yeah. Like, again, like if, and that falls into my idea of like, again, the ghost of memory trying to be remembered, like that's definitely like my vibe here. And when I was thinking that halfway through this, I got really sad when like you see the

[01:31:39] the rolling giant, like laying on the ground because they just laid him down. And then like at the very end, you see him disassembled and it's just like the rolling piece at the bottom is all that's left. So sad. Yeah. Super sad. It's, it's, it's a tragedy. There's, there's a tragedy in this series and there's like a melon, like a bittersweet melancholy sort of to this, to this, to this series. Yeah. So. Also in regards to like the video showcasing, like the rolling giants life, it was one step

[01:32:07] away from the music being like another turning point, a fork stuck in the road. Oh my God. It was very close to that. Yeah. When you're like, it's like a slideshow, like, you know, when you're in school and I was like, they should put on a slideshow of like the last year or whatever, like, or whatever, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. No, it's a remember. Yeah. Like it's like, Oh, here's all the good times. Like that thing. Yeah.

[01:32:37] And then the music kicks is like, how could this happen to me? Made my mistakes. Right. When he's laying around. And as the building being demolished and stuff like that. Yeah. Uh, yeah, that's about a long time for that. All right. Well then on to the next one, which is episode five. Yeah. Episode five dispersal.

[01:33:04] Um, and this is where we get a bit of a do over for Wyatt. It starts with like, again, uh, sort of the, the, the four of the, the mall, like, or like what seems like the mall, um, but like more foliage and stuff. And like, and like almost like a dream, like, um, sequence, uh, possibly like the tunnel that, uh, Wyatt was trying to find. Like there's like a light at the end of the tunnel. And then it cuts to, um, the Dallas midtown, uh, like, uh, basically like where, uh, how

[01:33:32] they're planning on using the land that, uh, of the, of the mall that's about to be demolished kind of situation. Um, and then it cuts to darkness and a stream of light that peers down on the giant as he looks at, like, looks to the light. Uh, and then we are cut back to Wyatt trying again, uh, seemingly trying again to escape the giant by, by going across those, that, those ledges. Uh, but this time he actually manages to get across, uh, get through the, uh, the escape

[01:34:01] port, um, and up to a set of stairs and just books it, like books it all the way up to the stairs. And then we cut to some, uh, some POV of like a drone or like, again, just like above, up in the sky, uh, shot of the forest and like a tree and the trail, like leading, uh, leading to the tree and we see, um, Wyatt just running for dear life. Well, very slowly, tiredly jogging for his life. Well, he probably was running a ways.

[01:34:30] Now he's like lost his breath. So he's like, just trying to, he's just trying to get out of there. Um, and then eventually like after like some in a daze, uh, runs through the forest, we then cut to, uh, a black, uh, with white, a black screen with white text, uh, that says anatomically modern humans have existed for approximately 300,000 years. Recorded history accounts for roughly 1.6% of this time.

[01:35:00] Then we cut to, uh, Wyatt getting to his car, getting in, um, punching in something on his, uh, on a GPS and just driving away. And like, he looked at his phone to see where he was on Google maps. Yeah. And like, it's basically saying like, since last updated, like you're in the middle of fucking nowhere. Like we don't know where you are. Cause it's just showing a grid around him. Yeah. Which might also like show like that, why he couldn't like call, like call anybody down there as well.

[01:35:29] But, um, and then, yeah, it's just him. Like the, the camera is now on his dash bumping around, uh, as he drives, uh, into the sunset, basically, except when he picked it up to film himself in the rear view mirror. Apparently that one cutaway shot. Yes, exactly. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, that's, that's basically dispersal is, um, uh, why I got a do over and managed to escape them all. Yep. Um, so my thoughts on this one.

[01:35:55] Um, I wonder if Wyatt's second attempt here was a, like a time loop or if it's actually like, so like metaphysically, if it's like his soul got out of the mall, but his body's still down there. Like this, this whole video is actually just his soul. Like hit, like he, he made it out, but like, did he kind of thing? His soul can control the car and make it move. Well, again, like, that's just like his, like his, like what he's seeing, what he's perceiving of the world, but like, he's still down there perhaps.

[01:36:26] Um, that, that's like an idea I had, like, as I was like watching this, like, it's like, is he actually out or is this like, again, the giant maybe like performed a time loop so that he could get out. Cause like definitely felt like in this one, the giant is sympathetic in a way. Of course. Oh, and yeah, that's exactly like in this point, like maybe, maybe he changed, maybe the giant himself, like who seems to have some kind of control over the mall and stuff like that.

[01:36:52] Maybe he has powers, um, changed things up so that why it didn't fall and could actually escape making this a buddy whore. Yeah. Cause it was like the rolling giant was sitting there, like praying to God through the God beams that were looking at him. And then even like when, when, when Wyatt was like dead in the pre in the, um, the last time we saw him, like on his failed attempt to escape, um, like the giants out there in the woods, like watch, looking at his dead body is like, and like, it was almost kind of

[01:37:21] like, um, it wasn't so much scary as just kind of a sad moment. It was like, it's like, maybe the giant was like, I didn't mean for this to happen. Everyone gets one. Yeah. And so like, he got like, gave him like this chance. The way that I saw it is basically, um, this entry is pretty much in entirety is why it died. And, um, the start of this is just the loading screen to his previous checkpoint. So we can try again. God, it's a safe point. God, it's a long ass loading screen.

[01:37:51] Yeah. Yeah. It's an artsy loading screen. Yeah. Um, also this one was definitely artsy because like the anatomically modern humans have existed for approximately 300,000 years. Yeah. Record history accounts for roughly 1.6% of that. And what? Like literally like, I like, I'm like, I've been racking my brain since I watched this. I was like, what is. What?

[01:38:22] Like I, I, what, what? Like maybe it's like, as far as I'm concerned is basically we only know 1.6% of what's happened in the time that humans have existed. So like there is a lot of shit that we don't know about that's out there. That, yeah, that could be, that's, that's about as close as I could like, maybe like comprehend us to why that was in there. It's basically like, listen, like sometimes like there's miraculous, weird, fucked up shit

[01:38:51] and we don't even know half of the shit. So like, yep. This is what you watched. We don't even know 98% of this shit. Yeah. It's, it's definitely a lynchie. Like this is where I think like Kane definitely has some like lynchian inspirations where it's just like, um, there's, there's a quote from, from, uh, would you say it'd be Kane and Lynch? Like, uh, do you remember that video game on the 360? Do you think? God, but yeah, there's a, there's a quote from David Lynch.

[01:39:21] That's like, I'm not sure if this is the exact quote, but it's like, uh, we live inside a dream. Can you elaborate on that? No. Like that's, that's like, like Lynch, like Lynch will say something like David Lynch will say something. And then the interviewer would like, would like, like, like that to be explained. And, and David Lynch is like, Nope, I don't have to explain shit. And that's kind of the vibe I get from the oldest view. Like it's up to interpretation.

[01:39:46] It's up to like, obviously Kane had like, has some, some themes and, and, uh, and some concepts he's exploring in it. Like, and there's definitely like a concrete, like narrative here, but there's some stuff in it that's very surreal and very dreamlike. And it's, I feel like that stuff is really just open for people to interpret themselves. Yeah. So yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah.

[01:40:13] That that's, uh, that's my, my notes for dispersal. It was just like, okay, well that was, uh, a do over or it's like a second attempt. Yeah. Yeah. So again, it's a do over where he, they redo the ending of the long video, but he escapes this time.

[01:40:37] Uh, and, uh, yeah, this is where, um, it's noticeable that the stairs are CGI. Um, because there's a repeating step that has exact same groove out of it. Okay. Yeah. That's really noticeable. Um, where you've already ruined it.

[01:41:06] I need to see it. Gamers like, fuck you. Oh, yeah. I need to break on everything. Yeah. It's a chunk out of the middle of the step. So it's really noticeable when you, if you're, if you're looking for, if you're, if you're trying to like, not like something. No, I'm kidding. I'm like, yeah, I did. Yeah.

[01:41:35] I mean, he's flailing around so much. Like also like you notice that the first run up. Yeah. The, uh, again, uh, my immersion was broken and I was looking for imperfections, imperfections or two perfect things. Yeah. Do you feel like a bigger man now? No kidding.

[01:42:01] Well, the thing is, if it, if that, that one, um, specific stare that has the chunk out of the middle, um, if that one didn't repeat as often, it, I wouldn't have had an issue. I only saw one repeat of it. Uh, no, I'm seeing it. I'm, I'm seeing it like constantly now, but like, it doesn't bug me because it's like

[01:42:30] this whole, this whole place could just be recursive. Like some of the stuff could be recursive by its own anomalous nature. So like, yeah, it doesn't, yeah, it'll bug some people. It doesn't bug me. I hate to say it, but you might be wrong. I don't think these are the same texture. Okay. Nevermind. You're right. So like the chunk in the middle is the same, but all of the distressing around it is different on every instance of it.

[01:43:00] Every by two, the two I found. Um, so I don't know. Damn you, Mikey. Damn you. He has to be, he's the Simon Cowell to the, to our Paula Abdul and Randy Jackson. And then, um, to, uh, steel game reals thunder. Um, basically his theory that, um, there's other people that have made these maps in the previous story.

[01:43:30] What if it's just him? Oh, fuck. Like different, like different, uh, iterations. Yeah. That's cool. We already have like, there's already been like, we already have evidence of a, of a do over. What if there had been multiple attempt? Like what have there been multiple do overs? This is a super meat boy situation. I was just thinking meat boy too. Yeah. Oh God.

[01:44:00] Yeah. Like that. I really liked that actually. Yeah. Like that, like it's just different versions, like different tries as he tries to escape and dies and eventually he'll get out or maybe he just keeps coming back. Like that's the other thing. Like it keeps, it keeps, uh, like he's left a bunch of, uh, he's left some maps, like a different iteration of them has left map to escape. He escapes and then the do over happens again.

[01:44:28] And he's, he's exploring the map, the mall again. So he's driving away from all of this. Yeah. And then it cut, like he takes the next corner and then like, he's like checking his phone. He's like, Oh, I gotta make sure it's charged. I gotta go take this video of that weird hole I found in the ground. Exactly. Yeah. I get some weird deja vu. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that would be so good. If that had been like what it was like, Oh man, that would be so good. It'd be a cool loop. Yeah.

[01:44:58] Yeah. And then my, um, my last question for this is, uh, at the end, is the giant following him? Like, is that why he's running away? I think he's just like, he just wants to get the fuck. Like he's been in that mall, in that mall too long. He wants to get the fuck away. He just wants to go home. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:45:27] I don't think the, the, the giants like in the background of like, uh, of like the, like, as he's like driving away, I don't think he's like the, you can, I don't think you can see the giant anywhere in the background, like on the rolling hills or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. That would be kind of cool if it was perhaps, but like, it's just like, you can't escape. Wait, notice me. Senpai. Forgot to take a selfie with me. I need more, I need more exposure.

[01:46:00] I'm going to be a new content creator on YouTube. Uh, I do love the idea of like a buddy horror happening here. Yes. All right. That's all I have. All right. Gamer, what do you have for dispersal? Well, we're at the start.

[01:46:25] It has that, uh, view behind the, uh, the little bit of trees or a little bit of shrubbery and the door opens, but it opens like really wrong. Did you notice how wrong that door opens? I did not. Watch it again. Uh, around 30, 33 ish. 30 seconds. Okay. Roughly is when it starts moving. Look at how that opens. It's opening. Ah, yeah. See how wrong that opens?

[01:46:54] So for the audience, it like, it looks at first, it looks like it's, it's opening like inward, but then it just, the, the, the, the door just begins, um, pushing, pushing in. Like it just, it just leaves the, the door frame and goes sideways a little bit too. Yeah. I almost wonder if like, it's like, that's like the, the, the, that hallway being created like that tunnel. I don't know. Oh, that's a really, that was a really cool, like creepy effect though.

[01:47:23] I heard you get scared by it. Yeah. Like a legitimate, like I, I, I've been getting like my reactions for this have been pretty good. Like, right. Again, this is the second, this is like my third time now viewing this video, this, the series. Mm. It's still freaking cool. Yeah. It just doubles down on like, this place is wrong. Yeah, for sure. In the best way.

[01:47:49] But either way, uh, Wyatt succeeds this time after he loads his checkpoint, gets outside, he's a running, which I think is in slow motion actually. It might be. Just based on the way it is. I think he slowed the footage down regardless. Um, he's clutching his left shoulder. When did he hurt himself? Because as far as I remember is, um, he bashed down the door that was boarded up the board up window with his right shoulder.

[01:48:14] After that, he ran into there and ran down the hall and then stumbled into the wall as it turned hitting his right shoulder. Um, and that was it. That's all I saw for injuries. So what if that's like phantom pain from the, from the last attempt and like the failure? Like him falling, like that's phantom pain from him falling the last time. And then like this. Oh, from falling all the way down and killing himself. Yeah. And then he got, and then he had a second attempt.

[01:48:42] So like, oh, like suddenly he has this like, either, either real or phantom pain of an injury from that fall. I would be inclined to agree with you if there is a focus about his left arm taking the whack. Maybe, yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I just thought that was weird. I wonder if it's maybe because like he forgot which side he was hitting things. Or it's, we didn't see the whole, um, stairway sprint.

[01:49:07] It's possible that when he got up, if it's the same orientation as the other one where he would be running up and then he would be turning right. If he's running too fast, he doesn't slow enough, slow down enough at that landing. He would bash his left shoulder into that wall because he's done that previously. So he's shown that he does do that. Yeah. So maybe he hit that heart, that corner really hard because he was trying to get out of there, but without showing it, it was the first thing in my head is like, he didn't hurt his arm. Why is he holding it? It was bugging me.

[01:49:38] Not recommending the story now because of that. Wow. You mean not recommending the video? The whole story. The whole thing. Yeah. How dare a story? Not like, like, not just like cut some things out that like are too gratuitous. Like how dare. Right. Right. I'm glad you agree. How dare people, uh, not, not like how dare people read between the lines of things.

[01:50:02] But either way, um, I suppose overall this entry, it, I guess quote unquote clarifies that there's multiple realities going on here because like you said, there's one where Wyatt fell and died and one where he got out. So I like that. It's like all these that are coming out. It's explaining more and more that there is this weird. Like dimension hopping situation that's going on or whatever it is, um, of this area. Yep.

[01:50:33] Of this liminal, like memory of a, of a place underground. Yeah. Yep. And that's it for this. All right. And then we move on to the newest one that, uh, came out fairly recently. Um, like the other ones have all came out like with about two years, uh, uh, two years from, from our read, uh, us viewing it and, and, uh, and watching it, um, or us watching it and discussing it. Uh, this one came out last year.

[01:51:02] Are you sure about that? It says September, it says September 11th, 2024. I hate how YouTube, um, dates things. Cause like, unless, unless you like, it's one year X amount of months. Yeah. It's not two solid years yet. Yeah, exactly. Anyway. Yeah. So this one, this one's the most recent. Um, and it is, uh, called the remains of Valley view mall, uh, in brackets post demolition.

[01:51:32] And it is 19 minutes of Kane or perhaps Wyatt, um, walking around the demolished foundations of the mall. While various, um, video clips and, and images of both the real mall and sequences from the previous, uh, oldest view videos bleed over like, like kind of subtly and sometimes not

[01:51:58] so subtly bleed over, um, locations around the foundations, uh, that, uh, that this person is, is recording or is, is, is videotaping. Um, and then it just ends staring at the sun and like the, the surrounding, like, um, the surrounding, uh, cityscape of the, of this abandoned, of this now demolished mall.

[01:52:24] So yeah, that's, uh, that is basically the last video, uh, the remains of the Valley view mall. Um, so yeah, my, my, my, my sort of views or notes on this one is, uh, this one's definitely, this one is, is where things get like the, there's definitely been some other previous, some previous videos in this that were fairly artsy. This one's definitely, um, hammering home in an artsy way, the themes of a sense of loss

[01:52:53] for something nostalgic, at least to me, like that's how I'm kind of getting this vibe. Um, it's, it's a theme. I don't know. To me, like that's been a theme in this entire thing is like this, this like forgotten, like this mall that's been like, that was, um, uh, that was demolished. And we're like, as he's walking around, he's seeing the ghosts of the mall or like the, the, the ghost of the mall, like in, uh, kind of bleed into the, the video footage. Um, I think you're overanalyzing it. I might be overanalyzing it.

[01:53:23] I don't know. This is just like my thoughts as I was like watching this part and trying to like make sense of it in context to the rest of the, the videos. Um, the interlacing between the tour of the real mall foundations and the scenes and imagery of, from both the real mall pre demolition and why it's footage exploring and trying to escape the underground mall. Uh, I thought it was really interesting. And again, just helps cement in my mind, like some of the themes that I was getting from

[01:53:52] the rest of the, uh, the rest of the series. But, um, it is, it is fairly artsy or it is, it is fairly like subtle. Well, which is it? Artsy is often not subtle. Uh, no, they can be, they can be both the artsy and subtle, like basically like in terms of, I guess maybe not subtle is not the right word, maybe vague, like in terms of like, or like open to interpretation of what's going on and such. I guess. Cause there is no, there's no dialogue here.

[01:54:20] It is just Wyatt or Kane, um, walking around the foundations of this place and like having images interlaced over locations in the, like, as he's like walking, he stops at certain spots where like the foundation show where like a built, like where part of the mall was. And then it cuts to images or video of that. And I just kind of got this, like, I don't know, the sense of like, um, uh, almost like this is a memorial to this mall.

[01:54:49] Like there's some kind of like a, almost like a, uh, a sense of nostalgia for like this mall was here. Uh, and this thing happened to Wyatt here, but yeah, that's, those are my feelings and, and, and thoughts on this video in particular. So, uh, Mikey, these stands for evil. Uh, well, I feel it's interesting how much of the tile survived the demolition. Yeah.

[01:55:18] Um, but other than that, I almost fell asleep watching this one. I, you know what? Understandable. So yeah, that's, that's all I got. All right. Gamer. I guess I'll pick up the slack. Uh, let's see. So, um, this one, I actually appreciate this for what it is a post-mortem of the series,

[01:55:44] basically showing what it looked like after it was all ripped down. And I like that he was lining up shots to show that like, this was here, you know, this was, this is the, the piece of a tile when I was running for my life, basically. Um, and I, I liked that he was actually visually showing that because if you're just looking at it, you're not really going to notice it specifically like, Oh, that's from that part.

[01:56:11] Like you would have to be going back and forth comparing clips, but he does it for you. Yeah. Um, so I appreciate that. Alternatively, if you look at this as if it is in canon with the series and not just a post-mortem out of the canon of the story, then you could see it as Wyatt tracking down where the value of you mall, uh, is for his slash was for real since he didn't live in Dallas clearly. Cause he was, he was questioning why it's all Texas shit.

[01:56:40] Um, that's right. Yeah. Sorry. I should reword that. Um, cause he was questioning why he was all like the mall was all talking about Texas, this Texas, that like he wouldn't be bringing it up if it wasn't weird. Yeah. Uh, so because of that, after he cooled down after what happened, uh, and he kept thinking about it, he wanted to go see if it was actually there. And this is what he sees.

[01:57:03] So in that context, it looked, it would look to him as if the mall was forcibly ripped from its foundation and stuffed underground somewhere to bury whatever anomalous things that were starting to go on down there. I do wish that there was some dialogue from Wyatt, uh, if that was the case though. So it'd be like, so it took a trip to Dallas. I wanted to see if that mall actually exists in person kind of deal. Yeah.

[01:57:31] Um, and I, and I found it kind of, yeah. Yeah. And like, cause that would also make sense because he is a, Wyatt himself is a YouTuber and he was talking a lot before, but also he just went through all that, um, all that horror and trauma. So like maybe after all that he's a changed person and he's not as talky anymore. And he's just like, I need to go here and see it. And that's it. So he sees it, kicks around a couple of things and leaves like that's his closure.

[01:58:00] Um, and he put a video up just so like his, um, his followers would also get closure on it as well. Yeah. Yeah. I like that actually like that. Like he, like he has an arc, like he, he's no longer the excitable, curious, oh, he's still curious, but like the excitable, like talkative, uh, person he was pre mall. Now he's this more solemn, somber, uh, person. He's still obsessed with like, or so curious and maybe even a little bit more obsessed because he drove all the way out to Dallas to find this place.

[01:58:31] Um, yeah, he's a lot more, he's not saying anything anymore. He's letting the video, he's letting the, the visuals, um, guide the, the narrative here. Like guide the closure. It's also possible that like, this is relatively soon after the previous events. So like if he was speaking, he might not be able to like keep his cool at all, like between crying or freaking out or something. So he felt it'd be better to just walk silently, just get it over with, get it out of the system. Yeah.

[01:59:02] And, um, and like, also like, I was going to say that like some of the videos that he's putting in and images, they aren't from his experience down there. They're from other YouTubers and it's credited to the other YouTubers. Yeah. Yeah. There, there are other videos from, um, uh, from when the, when the mall was still active and open. Yeah. Or other people doing urban exploration and stuff after it closed down or whatever. Yeah. Um, cause there's one where he's like walking towards an elevator and stuff.

[01:59:30] And that wasn't from his video, but regardless, um, he's crediting the other YouTubers for their angles of the mall and stuff, uh, that he didn't use in his film. Um, and that as I assume that this is like an out of story, uh, retrospective of the mall itself in real life, that would make sense. Uh, but it also kind of makes sense in Laura as well, because why himself is a YouTuber. So he would be crediting other YouTubers in the canon of the story as well.

[02:00:00] For sure. Yeah. Like it doesn't really break immersion for me. Yeah. There's no Ludo narrative dissonance of like, like between like out of, out of story or, uh, out of setting or out of game as it were an in game. Like it still makes sense. Like his actions, like what he's doing with this video still makes sense in character. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then we get to the, uh, the part where he like, he sees a flower in the distance. Like, Oh, that's cool. And he goes up to like frame a shot of the flower and like against the sun.

[02:00:29] And then like, he turns back. I kind of half expected to see the rolling giant just standing there in the distance. Honestly. I do. Wyatt. Yeah. That would have been so good. I'm not going to lie. Would have been cool as hell. Uh, but no, sadly that did not happen. Sadly, the, sadly the giant remains underground. Yeah. But yeah, either way, uh, by the end of all this, um, we didn't really get clarification in the story about Green Hill Zone.

[02:00:56] Uh, so that confusion from episode one still remained for me. Like, yes, we kind of talked about it, but the story itself doesn't really say anything about it. Um, so yeah, that was kind of the only speed bump I really, the only, uh, indiscrepancy that I had with, uh, or discrepancy rather I had with the story as a whole. Okay. And then, um, my only other note is, uh, some additional research I did after the video, after the series. Yeah. Um, and, uh,

[02:01:26] should I just go into that? Go for it. I think I know what it is, but go for it. Yeah. So when I first saw the mall, I was like, this mall is abandoned. How could he get access to that? This must be CG. And then he finally found the name of the mall. And then I was like, oh, okay, I'll Google it. Oh, all right. It's a real mall that was actually condemned. Maybe he did actually go there to film this. That makes sense. Dangerous because it's trespassing, but it makes sense. Yeah. So I continued with that as my thought. Yeah.

[02:01:56] Clearly seeing CG stuff that was added, like the rocks outside the windows, the cracks in the walls. Um, and like. Clearly just comp, like over, like composited over real footage of like being on site. Right. Yeah, totally. And that went through the whole series. Uh, even like past the, uh, the last one that we, that we're talking about previously. And, um, when I was done all that and done my notes, saved it and closed it.

[02:02:22] I saw that there was a recommended video to watch on the right side that said, uh, behind the scenes for this. I'm like, ah, fuck, I should watch it. Uh, I watched that and all of it, literally all of it is CG. Yep. Every fucking pixel of this video is CG. Aside from probably the outside stuff. Uh, the everything that's inside. Yeah. The forest, like the forest outside, like, like all that stuff's real.

[02:02:52] The stairs, the little like tile room at the bottom of the stairs and the whole fucking mall is both CGI and also like, um, tiny models he made. What do you mean? Like I thought it was all just CG. The door to the, like the, no, the door to the, uh, the, he, either he, either he made a physical, a physical model of the door that goes into like the main, like, like that, that silent hill door area. Yeah.

[02:03:22] Um, either he, he made that and then 3d scanned it or he filmed that, um, like that model and incorporated it into the video. Cause I must've missed that. The entire, yeah. The entire mall, he, uh, is all just came pixeled, pulled what he did with backrooms, like the, his original backrooms found footage video where he motion tracked, um, exploring

[02:03:44] a space and then in blender used a photo, photo, uh, like photo reference for and video reference from on, from YouTube and 3d scans of the mall before it was torn down to make a, a 3d like version, a 3d version of the mall that he could then go in and use like the motion tracking data and explore and like make the entire video. Yeah. Even, even a giant. It shocked the hell out of me.

[02:04:15] Same. Like I, I saw it like two years ago when I first saw the series and I was like, oh, and then I watched like that video like a day or two later after I was like, cause I was like, oh man, this is some really good composition. Like, like there's like, he must've like paid to like go into this mall before it, like it was shut down or like maybe when it was shuttered or something. And then I saw that video and I was like, holy fuck. Yeah. It's nuts. Like what you were saying before when the, uh, rolling giant first showed up. Yeah. I thought like, wow, that looks really good for CG.

[02:04:45] Uh, maybe it's not CG because like, maybe it's just real. And like, he actually had someone in there pushing it around. Cause it sure looks real. No, no, it's, it's, it's, it's all CGI. Yeah. I even like the far shots when he's like three quarters of the way up the escalator and like it turns around and leaves. I'm like, well, clearly has it hooked up like an RC car and there's just someone off screen, just driving it around. That'd be easy to do. But no, everything was done in blender.

[02:05:12] Um, Kane Parsons is just a master of, of, of blender. Um, yeah. I like, again, like there's obviously some parts that like net, like look in retrospect, looking at them, there's some, like some of the details are a little like make kind of show that it's like CGI. Like again, uh, now that Mikey is like pointed out like that, the kid area. Yeah. I can see that. And again, like the reflections that we were going on about. Yeah.

[02:05:37] Like that's like, he couldn't obviously like show a, like, like himself in the reflections. He could have, um, he could, it could have been, but it would have been that, that would have been a bitch. So the problem is, and like, this also explained why when he first got to the door, you didn't see a handout to reach out to open the door. It kind of cut. And then the door was open. Then he walked through because the hardest thing to do as a CG artist is to make a human being look real. Yeah. So he purposefully kept hands and everything out of the, the film.

[02:06:07] Like he never even looks down at his feet or anything when he's like walking on like the, the thin area or nothing, because you don't want to show any of that because you're, it's really hard to sell that. Yeah. Like we kind of see that actually, like, again, not to go, not to talk about something that like talk about another video that he did, but like in the back rooms, the first back rooms found footage video at the end when the monster grabs the kid and the camera goes like falling down the hole and then like back into our world. Um, it definitely looks like a CGI kid getting eaten by the monster or getting grabbed by the

[02:06:37] monster as it, as it, as it zooms away. But, um, yeah, I think it was definitely smart of him to like, not show like parts of his hand, like or any of that in it. What throws me off? Cause like when we first see the main, like that, that set that first like store space and yeah, we were commenting about like how like, Oh, that table kind of looks like a little, a little too like simple or like the lighting slightly off that it makes it look like it's CGI rendered. Yeah. Um, that was pretty good.

[02:07:04] But when he like, when he's crawling down and he's down on the carpet and like, that's fucking CG and it looks like so good. Like it made me think that it was like, Oh wow. That he's actually in some kind of space like doing this. No, that's also CG. Like his, the, the, the visual is just that good for like that, for the, for like being so close to a carpet or like the tiles and such. One thing that's so awesome is like, so it's all CG, but you don't think about it being CG

[02:07:33] at all. I know, Mike. Yeah. I know. You don't think about it being CG at all. You know what? Yeah. Yeah. And to the kid stuff. Yeah. For most of us. You don't think about it. Yeah. But you don't think about it because like the, um, the motion of the camera is so believable. Yes. The head bobbing of it and just like the way it moves around, it feels very natural. I feel like what he did was he took an actual camera and he must've recorded the

[02:08:03] movements himself. Oh yeah. No. Yeah. He imported that in. Yeah. That's exactly what it's the same thing he did with, um, with the backrooms video. Uh, it was all motion tracked, like walking through a space, like, like to like a large space, um, to get like the, the, the shots he wanted. And then he added that, put that data into, into like the digital, the computer camera, uh, going through that space and basically to, to match the more organic movements of somebody walking around with the camera. Uh, and it's all through using his phone too.

[02:08:31] Like, like the, like the, the data is coming from, from his phone. Yep. Um, it's, uh, similar. Like what, what also impressed me is not just the, like the, the motion of him, of the character that he, that's inhabiting this mall. It's the soundscape. Like it's the soundscape is also just as believable. Like every, all the tapping and squeaking of his shoes on the tile, like the, the monster

[02:08:56] sounds, the, the, the sounds of the mall, like the echoing sounds of the mall, the rumbling in the, uh, like in the, uh, like above the mall, the music sounds. Cause it doesn't just sound like he just put you in there. No. Yeah. It's like hanging in the distance, you know? Exactly. Yeah. Like there's, there's actual like distance in the sound. Um, there it's just so good. Like it was so well done. For sure. Um, yeah. I, when I, when I found out, like when I saw that, I, when I saw that behind the scenes

[02:09:25] video and found out how, like the, what he did to actually like capture this, I was just like mouth to floor. Yeah. Cause it shows like screenshots in that video of like his blender window with the image of it in there. And like, I'm looking at him like, what are you doing? Putting a real picture in this screen of a, of a blender screen? Like, but no, that's just how good rendering is. Yeah. That's just how good a kid.

[02:09:53] Like I, cause at this point he was like maybe 18, like 16, 17, 18. Like when he did this, these videos. Yeah. Uh, like, and like, he just made this in blender, like a free software that you can get online. Like, oh, it's just so cool. Like, do you think there's memes of basically like, you know, the, uh, the Iron Man thing where it's like, Iron Man made this in a cave with a bunch of scrap. Yeah. Kane pixels. Did this video. Yeah.

[02:10:19] I bet you any money, especially with, uh, again, like there's already like tons of memes of him. Like, it's like, oh man, Kane Parson did this cool thing. Like this amazing thing. Like something he didn't do, but like he did this amazing thing. He's only at the age of 20 or like, again, back when, when the first like back rooms, um, found footage film was like getting, getting really popular on, on YouTube. Um, a bunch of like news outlets, including Smosh. I think Smosh actually like is the one that coined it.

[02:10:48] It's like viral at 16. It's just like, but yeah, like this kid, like, like, again, it's just like such a, like, so fucking cool that like this exists and like the, like just how accessible it is as well. For sure. Like to anyone that is wanting to do something like CG or, or otherwise. And they're like, oh, it's too hard. And then you're just like Kane pixels.

[02:11:14] Kane pixels made this in a cave with just blender. Yeah. With a bunch of blender. Oh yeah. So good. But yeah, that's, that's what I was holding off for near the end. I was like, so, so guys, they said to my cohost, like, you know, this entire mall was actually CGI. Yeah. But then I, then you, you got that video beforehand. So yeah. Yeah.

[02:11:43] No, I just so good, but I didn't get the video, but I can believe it. Like once I saw the CG with the kid zone, uh, then I was like, is this all CG? Yeah. I know. But here, let me bring something up. Also, I agree with you here. I'm not going to change your argument at all because the more I think about it, I didn't think about it at the time, but now that you brought it up and I'm thinking about it more, the problem with that kiddie scene, like that sounds bad.

[02:12:12] The problem with that scene with the, the kids area, the kids zone. Yeah. Um, is it looks brand new and this is in an abandoned mall and it's been abandoned for a long time before it got ripped down with like almost people in there and graffiti and stuff. So like that kid zone should be not looking brand new. That said though, like the, the mall that like Kane or the Wyatt explores is just empty.

[02:12:40] It doesn't look like it's been, it's like, it's, it's supposed to look like it's still like partially in its prime or that's like, it's, it's a well, it's, it's perhaps like a well-used, but still like functional mall. Uh, it's just abandoned or it's just empty under around. Yeah. It is still relatively clean. You're right. But I don't know. It just, because Mikey brought it up, it looks too clean. It needs something on it. Yeah. It's just, yeah, the, uh, that one. Yeah. I will say like, there needs to be a few imperfections.

[02:13:07] Like it's, it's one, it's just one of those parts that like once it's highlighted, like the rest of it starts like kind of a show. So, so, so, so, but like, honestly, like that's only going to make or break it for certain people. Mike, sorry. Do you need a lozenge gamer? Yeah. But, um, yeah. Um, yeah, that's all you got. Yep.

[02:13:34] Uh, I do have a kitchen segment here, um, a little bit, uh, but it's really just going to a kitchen. Yeah, no. Yeah. Um, but just like, uh, basically like, how could I make, how could I use this in a game? Like a tabletop scenario kind of thing. Um. Based on our last week's, uh, in, uh, our recording that we did on one less die or sister podcast where we do D and D stuff. Oh my God. I did. You absolutely did. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, basically my, my, my kitchen segment basically like, oh, like how can I

[02:14:02] use, how can I draw inspiration from this video to run a like Cthulhu scenario or a game scenario, like a horror game tabletop scenario. Um, and like, again, there's just like between the, the abandoned underground mall, the, the surreal situation and the vibes of these videos and the, the MC being this art sculpture from an art studio in the mall. Um, and possibly like from some older, like sorcerer, like beard, that bearded man's definitely

[02:14:31] got, there's something, some origin that we're not quite getting. Like it's, it's a little too vague, but like there's definitely some kind of, or there's some kind of like tie connection between that bearded man and the statue and the, um, the giant. But, um, I, I could definitely make the case for this to be fodder for like a King and yellow game scenario as I was kind of hammering at earlier. Um, and yeah, like, like gamer just brought up, um, recently on, on one less die, I ran

[02:14:58] a game, uh, where, where the characters, uh, fell into, they no clipped into a mall space. Um, it wasn't intentional, right? Like that was actually not intentionally. Yeah. Like maybe, maybe cause like I was like prep, we were priming for this video or for this, uh, this episode, but like I've just, I, again, I love abandoned malls. Like I love dead malls. I, I love, um, like surreal dream core, like mall space.

[02:15:25] Like there's something, there's something uniquely nostalgic and, and kind of like whimsically creepy about, about an empty mall. Yeah. Um, that really, really tugs at me for like, um, um, I'm going to be a little bit of a for like wonderment and like, oh, that's definitely a creepy location to like throw somebody into. Um, but yeah, so that's, uh, that's really all I've got is just like, yeah, no, you can

[02:15:51] definitely just like make a table of like, uh, make a, uh, like a, uh, a table to roll from that has different descriptions of different locations in the mall. And then like add in some kind of like creepy, like stalker stalking entity. Um, and again, like just see if the players can like find a way to like escape this, like mall that you can't get out of, like find like, like leave, like one little like narrow space for them to escape out of and just see how they, how they fare.

[02:16:19] So, but, uh, yeah, that's a, that's a good segue over to, uh, final thoughts. Well, I also have a kitchen segment. Oh, but this is actually a, um, a note that I have that I missed in the third video. Okay. So without Googling, can you name eight veggies that start with B? Oh my God. What? Why? There was a sign that said that. Oh, it was. You're right. Yes, I do.

[02:16:49] Okay. Um, let's see veggies, vegetables. Yep. Yep. Eight, eight of them. Yep. Yep. Okay. Okay. We work together on this. Beets. Broccoli. Um, no, hang on, hang on, hang on. Vegetables, right? Vegetables. Yep. Beans. Beans. Yeah. The legume, do they count? I'll count them. Okay. Um.

[02:17:22] Beets, right? Yeah. Beets. Broccoli. Beans. Brussels sprouts? Brussels sprouts. Yep. That's a good one. Bell peppers? Yep. Does that count? Just a different type of pepper? Uh, well, it is definitely a, uh, it is a standalone from what like a normal pepper is, but yeah. Yep. Um. I'll, I'll count it. Bro-tatoes? Bro-tatoes. Bro-tatoes. I don't think those count.

[02:17:52] Damn it. Wow. Okay. How, how many are we at now? We got bees? We got bees? We got bees? We got bees? We got bees? We got bees? We got bees? No, I'm sure. Or just like, we're going to feel so dumb when I, when, when, when Mikey explains to us what the, oh, for sure. In my head, I'm like, I'm going through the grocery store in my head right now. I'm like, what else is there?

[02:18:20] Be, be, be, be. I keep wanting to say banana, but I know that's a fruit. You can say it anyway. Well, you just did. Uh. Do we just give up? Yeah. For the sake of brevity. All right. Uh, we, we got five. What was it? Brevity is not one. Damn it. What are the other three, Mikey? Or what, what, what is it? All right. Uh, well, I got, uh, bok choy.

[02:18:50] Oh, fuck. You know what bok choy is, dude. It's, it's, oh, it's so, it's, it's a move that Kung Pao does in Clay Fighter 63. Yeah. It's also a leafy vegetable that's used a lot in, in, um, Asian, uh, cuisine. Oh, okay. Yeah. Uh, and then I cheat with beans cause there's black beans, brown beans, broad beans. Oh, fuck you. Fuck. How dare you.

[02:19:18] That being said, I was trying to think of cheating that way too, so I can't be kidding. Yeah. Nice. And you also got the ones we got. Uh, I was missing beets. So, but okay. So according to Reddit on our slash came pixels, back rooms, can you name eight veggies that start with the letter B beats, Brussels sprouts, bell peppers, broccoli, broccolini, bamboo shoots,

[02:19:49] bok choy, and beans that are green. I haven't heard of broccolini or whatever that one was. Broccolini. What the hell is broccolini? Is it just another type? Well, no, like broccoli is the second thing that comes up. It's, uh, it's Chinese broccoli, uh, or it's like, it's a, it's a type of, it's a, it's a different variant of broccoli, but it's, I guess it counts. Hmm. How are broccoli any different for broccoli? I mean, by that, by that measure, I could have also done baby carrots. Yeah.

[02:20:19] Baby tomatoes. That's so cheap. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. If I, if I really like be counting that, like I was trying not to like count, like, again, like when we did the bell pepper, I was like, that's a little, that's a stretch, but. Yeah. That's what I'm like. It's a pepper though. Yeah. But it says bell in it. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Wow. Thanks. Thanks Mikey for bringing that to, and, and like, that's straight. Weirdly enough.

[02:20:46] That is, that is actually like connected to this video series. Shockingly. Yeah. Uh, honestly. Yeah. I'm, I'm going to recommend it. Um, though I do have a particular. Partial or maybe even conditional, uh, recommendation for certain folks. Like, again, like if, if you want to be a completionist, watch the entire playlist. Like, obviously like watch, watch all the, all the videos.

[02:21:16] If you're really just wanting to like get somebody interested in this kind of like surreal found footage horror, maybe just give them like, maybe, maybe just show them like the first, like, let's see what we got here. Like the, um, two and three. I think, yeah, I'd say two, three. Three and like two and three for sure. Maybe two, three, four and five. Well, four doesn't really add to the four. Yeah. Four just kind of gives context to like the creature. Like it kind of shows like the entity itself or like possible like origin

[02:21:46] of four. Yeah. Um, and then five just kind of gives like, gives a little bit more of a, uh, possible conclusion or like a kind of closure for the, for like Kane, like basically gives you a better ending. Like for sure. But honestly, yeah, like two and three are probably the best. Like, or like if you just want to give somebody a, uh, like show them this, show them a spooky, weird, like found footage horror film or video series, just show them, um, the oldest view beneath the earth and the rolling giant, the oldest view part three. Yeah.

[02:22:15] Cause that's, that's kind of the meat. That's the real meat and potatoes. Everything else. Not, not, this isn't like a bad way, but like everything else is sort of just like extra toppings. Um, yeah. And it's stuff that like, it's not fully explained one way or another. So there's a lot open to interpretation about it. Yeah. Like, I'm certainly glad I sat down and watched all, um, all six of the videos and then watch that, that behind the scenes just fucking floored me.

[02:22:43] But like the, like the, the, the six videos, like it's, it's artsy. It's, um, it's a bit of a thinking piece for like, for some of the, some of the videos, but like, it's definitely got like a through line narrative that you can still follow through it. Like this, this kid, Wyatt, like stumbled upon a weird fucked up place and tries to escape it and maybe escaped. But yeah, so yeah, I, I, and, and like, there's definitely like a theme of like

[02:23:11] remembering this, this nostalgic place that people used to visit and is now demolished. So I definitely get that kind of vibe from it. So yeah, I'd, I'd recommend, I would definitely recommend it, but maybe like only recommend a few of the videos to certain people, depending on what their, what I know of their like preferences for like video for viewing things. Cause they might not get some of the stuff. Um, or care for some of the stuff that's that, uh, the more artsy videos portray.

[02:23:40] Um, yeah, really, yeah, just cannot express enough how much I love freaky dead mall experiences, uh, in this series. And the, the entity is both silly and creepy and threatening at the same time. Like again, it's got that kind of like weird mascot, like horror, um, of like this, like guys, it's, it literally has like flowers for hands yet. It is still threatening. Yeah. There might be roses in there that have like thorns. Yeah.

[02:24:09] And do you see how power, do you see how like power, like how, how, how he like, he like, uh, DBZ that wall. A little bit. Yeah. It's like crashing into it. Like there's, he should get a lot of torque in those little wheels. Apparently. Yeah. I also really loved that when he like, when, uh, okay, this is a quick side from like the video, but when like, um, why it escapes to the second floor and looks down and sees the thing and it fucking just slowly turns to show the handle that somebody would use to pull the push it. And just, it just rolls away.

[02:24:40] It's just like, Oh fuck. Yeah. So yeah, that's, that's my final thoughts and recommendations. I will recommend it. Um, so Mikey, these stands for evil. Uh, all right. So for me, it was good until I lost my immersion. Yes. Um, and there's nothing that could bring it back. Uh, he dies on the hills. He dies on the hills.

[02:25:10] Yeah. Uh, but with that being said, uh, I'd say that the series is worth a watch, but be prepared to fall asleep in the last video. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll say this as much as I praise that last video, it's about 10 minutes too long. Yeah. No, again, like I, I, I, I get, I, I'm, I will watch if, if, if it is, if

[02:25:36] something is a part of a series that like, I'm really, uh, really excited for, I will watch 20 minutes of just walking around doing nothing, but I will admit like, yeah, that video is way too long. Like I get, it's like, it's hammering home this like whole, again, this like remembrance of like this place and like what happened and stuff like that. But yeah. For an out of Canon, uh, post-mortem.

[02:26:04] Um, it's great at the length it is for an in Canon post-mortem of it. I think it could have been cut down to just remembering the sections from what he experienced as Wyatt, not cutting in other people, other YouTubers stuff that would cut down the runtime a lot. Yeah, for sure. Cause I, I think that's actually a really cool idea to interpret it is like that. He's that this is actually Wyatt, not Kane going to this place, uh, and remembering this mall, but it's Wyatt going to this place to seeking some, cause

[02:26:31] he's still like, he's like the place has left its mark on him. Like he may have escaped it, but it's still left a mark on him. And so now he's like seeking some kind of closure or seeking some kind of, um, something to like, try and like comprehend what the fuck he experienced. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But yeah, I definitely think, yeah, the last one's a little too long. Uh, all right.

[02:27:01] And gamer. What was your final recommendation, Mikey? But he was. Well, I recommend that people watch the series. Yeah. Okay. I thought it was a partial at the start. Not that I'm complaining. Well, I mean, if you really need something to help you fall asleep, you can watch the last one on repeat. Wow.

[02:27:26] Um, but yeah, the, the reason for the partial is because my immersion breaking for me. Uh, so if you're someone who sees a little bit of CGI and realizes, Hey, this is CGI, which means the whole thing's like this CGI, then you might have ruins it for you. Gotcha. Yep. All right. So gamer.

[02:27:56] Yeah. Uh, yeah. I'll recommend it. Okay. Leave it like that. No, uh, no, I've talked a lot through the whole thing. I might as well talk a little bit more. Um, but yeah, it's a really well done series. Like, although episode one and episode six are hard to justify that they're part of the story as a whole, mainly because I still didn't fully grasp the green hill zone area. Um, personally, if I was recommending this to someone of the series, as you guys said,

[02:28:23] I would start at episode two and questionably maybe not do six in the postmortem. Um, or maybe give them the heads up of like, think about part six as if it's the same character going to the location. Like that would help a lot with it, I think. Uh, but the visuals are really nice. Um, like when things were edited and, and I was gonna say edited, but it's all CG, but it's all really, really well done.

[02:28:52] Like the lighting is awesome and everything. Camera movement's great. Um, and this whole concept is a fantastic use of a building that is like ends it's, it's service life basically. And it's given new life through like this horror story, which is great. Um, I also like that, uh, I think I accidentally read like one of the first comments in the last video and is basically saying like a good job, uh, Kane pixel.

[02:29:21] Now we can't, uh, go there and scrutinize your, your 3d work on the model. I did see that. Also, you know what I kind of wish that Kane would do? Um, make like, make the, the 3d model of this place, like, like explorable in like a VR thing or something. That would be pretty neat. That would be like, like use it, like turn this into a level for some, like for like, even like a walking sim.

[02:29:47] Cause like, that would be a really cool way to like, keep it, keep like kind of preserve this mall. For sure. I think more people, I think more malls, like, I think more, like, I don't know. I like, again, very nostalgic for, for, for malls that like for dying and dead malls. Um, I definitely wish there was more, I always like try to like, I've actually in the past have tried to like, try to like figure out the layout of certain places or, or find the layout of a place that's been condemned and closed or destroyed.

[02:30:15] Um, that I used to go to just so I could like preserve it in that one, in that, in some semblance. And, um, I, I always, I kind of wish like more malls and more like these kinds of spaces were like preserved through like a 3d digital means. For sure. Like, for example, one thing that's, um, that, that immediately popped in my head for I've been watching, um, the Ciro Gordo, uh, ghost town living YouTube channel for a long ass time. Yeah.

[02:30:43] And at one point the corridor crew goes there and they 3d scan the mines and, and even outside. And they actually like through the poly cam website or whatever, they put it up online that people can go there digitally in multiplayer and just walk around as these like very basic avatars and just witness it all in 3d. Yeah. Like, again, I think that's a good way of like preserving history is like, and actually funny,

[02:31:13] funny story. Um, Ubisoft, uh, when they were making, um, one of the Assassin's Creed games for like in Paris, they fully 3d, like, like they have a fully 3d layout of Notre Dame. And when Notre Dame a few years back caught fire and like was partially destroyed, Ubisoft lent that lent the French government, their layout, but the, the, the, the 3d model layout to help them reconstruct it. That's awesome.

[02:31:43] That's really nice. And even, even cooler when Valhalla, the, uh, the, when the other Assassin's Creed game, Valhalla came out, um, they were, uh, you, uh, like certain museums and, and, uh, uh, I guess like academies were using Ubisoft's, uh, 3d models of like old English locations and stuff like that as like virtual tours. That's for those locations.

[02:32:11] So yeah, like it's that kind of like digital preservation of, of historical locations or even like, not even just necessarily historical locations, but just like locations that meant something to somebody at one point is like really cool. For sure. That's really cool that you, Ubisoft actually did that. Like, I normally like, like have a problem with Ubisoft. Don't really like them. But there's, and there's reasons for that. It's fine. We'll move on from here. I want to finish the recording so I can go play for honor. Anyways, uh, you have an update that came out actually.

[02:32:41] Talk to you about laughing. It's in the mall. No. Anyways. Um, where was I? Uh, but yeah, the pacing of the story itself was quite good. The, uh, the, the rolling giant was cool. Felt very tangible, even though he didn't exist, at least in the form of the story. Yeah. I do think, I think Kane and his, and like some of his like film buddies, I think, I think they did actually make a model for like a physical model, but then they, they 3d scanned it for the, like for the render.

[02:33:10] I'm sure they did because they showed like the creation of the mask and the first one, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's technically behind the scenes. Well, so yeah. Cause some of that's historical footage from back when, but like from the actual mall and some of that is something fabricated by Kane pixel. So yeah, for sure. Yeah. Either way, overall at the, the story as a whole, while I didn't understand green, green hill zone, I liked the rest of it so much that I'm still recommending it fully.

[02:33:37] Um, because it was still a really good watch and a complete shock that it's all CG. Yeah, no, just like the, the, the capabilities of somebody like with open source, like just like open source software and the creative gumption to do that. I was just about to say gumption. We both had that word loaded. Yep. That's exactly what it is. Gumption. Yeah. And it's just, it's fantastic. Like, see, I'm done.

[02:34:08] Okay. All right. Um, so that was this week's episode and our 12 year anniversary episode. Uh, if you like what you heard, or if you didn't lose a comment in the comment section below where this gets posted, some of us are on blue sky. Mikey is at the East ends for evil and I'm at review cultist. You can also send us emails at al dente rigamortis at gmail.com. That's a L D E N T E R I G A M O R T I S at gmail.com.

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