(One Less Die) Episode 12: Vaesen/Ravenloft - Mistborne (Post-Mortem)

[00:00:00] . Hi, welcome to One Less Die. We're not doing a game. We're doing a postmortem for

[00:00:07] a game. So this is the postmortem of our Ravenloft in Vossen campaign Mistborn with an E at the

[00:00:16] end. So Mistborn with an E at the end is an old word that means like going passing through

[00:00:26] mist or coming out of a mist. That's where she made one. Yeah, well yes, but like that's

[00:00:33] the or born with an E is like to exit out or to pass through something or to be of

[00:00:40] something. So like Mistborn, which I thought was very like opportune for the or like

[00:00:46] very appropriate for this campaign's name since the whole premise was that you guys

[00:00:51] were your Vossen gift, like your gift to like sense and detect Vossen and stuff of that

[00:00:58] was something that was born out of the fact that your great-great-great-grandmother or

[00:01:04] like granny Olsen was a denizen of another world and had made it with a human mortal

[00:01:10] and created your basically lineage. I have to ask based on your definition of born with an E

[00:01:18] on the end. Does that mean Jason born was like born directly from his father? Like it was a

[00:01:24] a daddy-mom situation? Is Jason born actually like O-R-E too or like O-R-N-E? E on the end.

[00:01:31] Oh no, because it's born with a U as well. So that might be a different

[00:01:35] name. It might be a different thing altogether. Yeah. Isn't language fun?

[00:01:40] Apparently he's got his entire identity wrapped around in that concept.

[00:01:44] Yeah.

[00:01:47] Um, and he gave an ultimatum also somehow based on that.

[00:01:51] Yeah. But yeah, so that's that's where like the whole like why I keep calling it referring

[00:01:56] to it as miss born and throughout our campaign we also just refer to it in shorthand as

[00:02:00] Vossenloft. Because I was confused. Yeah, that's fair. But yeah, so we're yeah,

[00:02:13] this is the post-mortem archive discussion after the campaign to air out like what, what,

[00:02:21] what we thought about like the mechanics, the system, like our idea of switching,

[00:02:25] like how we how we liked our, our taking of this of this setting Ravenloft and pushing

[00:02:32] it in out of fifth edition DND or DND entirely and moving it into Vossen,

[00:02:37] which is a system that is now and we're hearing our grievances. Yeah, basically. Yeah,

[00:02:41] this is the, this is, this is actually a Vosseness or Vossen Festivus.

[00:02:45] Yes. Voss-tivus.

[00:02:47] Zap your performance is shit.

[00:02:49] Look, the company that owns it, they can't hate us anymore than they already do from

[00:02:55] things that I've done in the past apparently so it's okay.

[00:02:58] I even made a character based I added in a monster based off of you and your, your,

[00:03:05] uh, uh, your encounters with the Swedish crew of Free League. So,

[00:03:13] so yeah, don't pull knives on people guys.

[00:03:18] That would be taken the wrong way.

[00:03:19] Say it like that. It sounds really bad.

[00:03:21] It's also kind of

[00:03:22] wired a knife and you suggested to use your knife while it's

[00:03:26] It was closed bladed, but I think we're getting ahead of ourselves and also like,

[00:03:32] also a little, a little unfortunately too soon because, uh,

[00:03:36] Britain is currently dealing with legislation to ban zombie knives and machetes.

[00:03:41] Um, really? Yeah, they're apparently going through, uh, right now to like,

[00:03:46] to there's like being a call to ban not like, like big knives in Britain

[00:03:52] as of, as, as we, as we're doing this, uh, recording.

[00:03:56] Wow. Wow.

[00:03:58] Steak knives.

[00:04:01] Seriously. Well, no, no, it's basically like, like stuff like Bowie knives and like big things that

[00:04:06] can be used to like carve somebody up. Um, like things that are utility.

[00:04:11] Yeah. Now that we're completely off the rails, let's climb back on them.

[00:04:17] So I believe, um, uh, with this whole thing actually kind of began, uh, and we,

[00:04:22] we've went over this previously, so it's not worth dwelling on too much, but it was a flippant

[00:04:26] comment of about, about that Fossum would be a fun system to run Curse of Strontium.

[00:04:33] And then, yeah, like Chris messaged me back like,

[00:04:36] or maybe even at the, at the time he was, yes, yes.

[00:04:41] Yeah. It was that meme. I was like, ha ha. Yes. That like that,

[00:04:44] that sicko that's like outside the window. I was like, yes. Um, yeah, it was,

[00:04:50] it was something that like you mentioned it and like, it didn't really resonate for the,

[00:04:53] with, uh, with the group that we were, um, we were with at the time,

[00:04:57] but it resonated with me after I kept, because I just kept thinking about it.

[00:05:02] And I have all these books from Vossum. I mean, they're just staring at me.

[00:05:07] They're there to be used.

[00:05:08] Yeah. Um, but yeah. And, uh, fortunately we were able to get a, uh,

[00:05:15] a crew together to actually run a campaign and, and dive into this experiment. And there is a whole,

[00:05:22] um, uh, plot growers or I think it's actually a one less die, um, uh, talkie episode

[00:05:31] of where we actually develop, like where we, where we, me, Adam and David, um, come together

[00:05:37] and actually like brainstorm, uh, converting Ravenloft to Vossum. So you can check that out

[00:05:42] on our, uh, on our feed as well. If you haven't already. Um, and yeah, we should check it out.

[00:05:49] Now that the campaign's over, you should, you should see how, like what was, what was

[00:05:53] developed and what has, uh, what didn't get used and what did, um, because who to blame?

[00:05:58] Yeah. Cause this, this campaign, like the ideas I,

[00:06:00] I went and doubt I blame the Americans.

[00:06:03] Sorry, Adam and David.

[00:06:05] That sounded like a sider too.

[00:06:09] Um, but yeah, like this campaign did definitely evolve or mutate over the course of it. Like,

[00:06:18] yeah, from what, from what we originally had, or like what we'd originally like talked about

[00:06:21] and stuff like some of the stuff stayed like the course, but some of the ideas I had for

[00:06:26] like what I was going to run definitely changed over the course of like developing it and

[00:06:31] starting the game and then like, uh, eventually what we got. So, um, but before we get too

[00:06:37] far ahead, we should also probably just reintroduce all the P the players and their

[00:06:40] characters, uh, and perhaps like what their archetypes were and like what they chose and

[00:06:44] stuff for the game. So starting at the top of the list.

[00:06:48] Hey, this is Adam and I played the role of, uh, Johann Anderson or John, but Johann,

[00:06:56] everybody called him and I was the hunter class. And I basically based my character

[00:07:02] off of a nice little whimsical tale that the people at natural, not natural, uh,

[00:07:07] Mammoth cave state park, uh, told about the discovery of the mammoth cave, uh,

[00:07:13] you know, system in Kentucky. And it was about a hunter that apparently shot a bear

[00:07:19] and was trying to find it. And then they found the cave instead.

[00:07:23] Well, whether they doubt the authenticity of that or not, it sounded like a cool,

[00:07:28] a cool story. And I think even at the time of hearing it, uh, Chris and I thought

[00:07:31] that would be a nice, uh, RPG set up. Yeah. Yeah. We were actually in the cave

[00:07:38] like during a tour, uh, back in 2022 and they told us this story and I just,

[00:07:44] we looked to each other. It's like, well, that's definitely gameable.

[00:07:48] There was a, there's a couple of stories and legends that, uh, that came out of that,

[00:07:51] that gave that tour that we both like looked at each other. It's like,

[00:07:54] oh, I can make that gameable.

[00:07:57] So that was, uh, that was my character and my dirty little secret was I had fathered a child

[00:08:05] with a boss and which I think was one of the options if I recall from my character creation.

[00:08:12] So as I pull up my boss and book to double check, but yeah,

[00:08:18] okay. So I had a blast and, uh, I think I was glad to be a part of this game.

[00:08:27] All right. And, uh, next up is yellow Dave. Yes, that's me and Dave sometimes called yellow

[00:08:31] Dave when there were other Dave's are grants. I played a Dorothee Connie's mark, the, uh,

[00:08:36] the doctor from Newfoundland and, um, yeah, she kind of where in Newfoundland, sorry.

[00:08:43] Huh?

[00:08:47] It's named after an old boat term. Yeah, nothing phallic whatsoever.

[00:08:51] No, nothing at all.

[00:08:52] Nothing because we're all 12 years old.

[00:08:55] No, it is the best town.

[00:08:57] It, yeah, it is very, it is a very infamous town.

[00:09:00] Yes. Uh, regardless. Uh, yeah.

[00:09:03] So she got proud in that town.

[00:09:05] And she kind of got thrown into this, uh, weird magical medieval world. And

[00:09:13] basically the way that she handled herself back in the quote unquote real world was like,

[00:09:19] she's a doctor. She, and back then being a doctor is kind of being a brute in a lot

[00:09:24] of ways. Like you have to be dexterous with surgery, but you're also like resetting limbs

[00:09:29] and potentially hacking off limbs because, you know, they didn't do the best medicine back in

[00:09:34] the day. Um, and so sometimes morphine is not an option. Yeah, usually not like a mallet

[00:09:42] maybe like acme style. Yeah. Um, so yeah, she grabbed a sword and shield and armor,

[00:09:48] which was questionably usable and survived somehow and came back with a werewolf of

[00:09:55] benefits. Yeah. And, uh, that's due to her, her secret of

[00:10:03] unnatural lust is how it was worded in the book, but I did that as a lust for its unnatural

[00:10:09] creatures basically. And that's perfectly fine because that's the joy of these kinds of games

[00:10:15] is you can, you can, uh, um, explain away what your character supposedly has like,

[00:10:21] or like their, their various motivations to that based off of, uh, your own preference.

[00:10:26] Yeah. All right. Uh, next up is Josh. Hi, I played Lars Larson because I'm the only one who

[00:10:33] went with that joke. Well, we can't actually have made it a triple threat cause large Lars

[00:10:38] Larson. I did not add the large Chris somebody. Okay. I thought you had actually said that. So

[00:10:45] here's the thing when we were making characters, I heard someone say Lars, Lars, large Larson.

[00:10:52] So I thought that, and I thought it was you, but I guess not. So I had even incorporated,

[00:10:57] I'd even incorporated when I was coming up with your, um, your twin, I made him Hugo or huge

[00:11:03] Hugo Larson. Nice down in the large Lars, Lars, cause that's how, that's how old this

[00:11:14] document is. Yeah. It was like this thing's been this document, which I've shared with

[00:11:19] the crew. Now that like the game's over, I've shared with them my eight page Google doc of

[00:11:24] all my notes and stuff of that for Mistborn. We went so far off of these pages.

[00:11:33] Yeah. Um, but yeah. Uh, so, so large, what, what archetype was Lars? Uh, vagabond. Yeah.

[00:11:42] And the egg was just the goodest boy. Yes. Your, your, your piece of equipment that you

[00:11:47] comes with your, with your archetype, a dog. I can go figure. I choose the,

[00:11:52] probably one of the breeds you're never going to see in real life. Yeah. Did you

[00:11:57] choose this class because dog? No. It shows him not by this point. I think two of the

[00:12:06] classes were already taken. There's only like five. Yeah. In the, in the core book,

[00:12:09] there's only like five or six classes. There's not many. And of them, it was like,

[00:12:13] all right, this one is good enough. And it's like, I can have a dog with it. All right. That

[00:12:18] just made this one better. Yeah. Um, and, and please for the audience, for the last time,

[00:12:25] please tell us what your, your dark secret was. I was secretly Swedish. Wait a minute. You

[00:12:31] were Swedish this whole time? Yep. Which was the secret. It came from the secret identity

[00:12:38] one. Okay. That stolen identity, not secret. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was pretending to be

[00:12:45] Norwegian. Okay. Yes. Secret identity. I, that might've explained. So if I had actually like,

[00:12:58] I apologize because if I'd actually seen it, like if I've been like,

[00:13:02] seen that that was what you would base that off of, I might've been able to come up with

[00:13:06] a little bit more stuff, a little bit faster for you for like your, like how I was going to,

[00:13:10] how that was going to affect the game and stuff like that.

[00:13:13] The game, it kind of seemed like it was just sort of a joke. Yeah. And I actually,

[00:13:17] it was kind of joking, joking about it, but at the same time, it's like my backstory was

[00:13:21] my parents were killed by fucking werewolves. I'm running. Yeah. And I did ultimately like

[00:13:26] halfway through the campaign, I eventually like came up with something and I showed it,

[00:13:31] I told Josh about it. I was like, yeah, that sounds good. Of like, basically there was like

[00:13:37] a cult of like, of hex and wolf sorcerers that had murdered his family and they were still after

[00:13:46] him kind of thing. So yeah, but yeah, the secretly Swedish, but it also, it also,

[00:13:54] I will also say it helped also because it gave me a chance to throw in

[00:14:00] Vossan Adam or the smiling man, Indrid Cold, who I just said Vossan at him. Yeah. Vossan Adam.

[00:14:09] Yeah. Vossan Adam. And because I basically

[00:14:14] Adams threatened in Swedes. Yeah. I took Adam's whole like accidentally,

[00:14:19] accidentally intimidating the Swedes with a knife and the folklore of like Indrid Cold. And I just

[00:14:25] like, and the smiling man stuff. And I kind of added in some stuff that like the smiling man

[00:14:30] is like, like, oh, there's a Swedish equivalent, like a boogeyman kind of thing.

[00:14:34] And he's basically like a Vossan bounty hunter. And he's been like tasked with hunting down

[00:14:41] Lars and to bring him back to the hex and wolves. But yeah, you guys, you guys dealt

[00:14:47] with him pretty well in the, in the game, I think too. Yeah. Not to, not to brag or anything,

[00:14:52] but it was mostly me. Yeah. And then there's, yeah, sweet Jaeger who was sort of shorting his

[00:15:02] like, what is up with this dog up until the very end? I think that dog has been around

[00:15:08] with forever. It's like, Oh my God, this dog's like 20 years old. Yeah. I think,

[00:15:12] I think honestly, out of all like, like all you guys had a lot of like character development,

[00:15:17] Jaeger had the most like organic evolution or like organic, like character development.

[00:15:25] Just like by us just like playing around and like kind of like mentioning what he's doing

[00:15:30] in the game and stuff like that. And him just, yeah, we all just have, we all just like

[00:15:35] dogs. Adam. I love the fact that there were so many times when it was, well, Josh isn't going

[00:15:43] to be able to make it to this particular game. And so as Josh gets taken by the mist,

[00:15:49] somebody was like, Nope, snatch the dog. Yeah. Josh got taken by the myths. Oh no,

[00:15:56] we don't have Lars, but Jaeger, no. And that's, that's another good point. Like before

[00:16:03] we like, we will finish the cast, the casting call in a second, but that's also a mechanic.

[00:16:09] I really enjoyed about this game that we just kind of had to pull out as a result of

[00:16:14] circumstance was that the myths of Ravenloft just kept plucking you guys out and in.

[00:16:19] And I think that was because I had read in the Ravenloft book I have

[00:16:24] that the myths will do that for like when, when, when the player can't make it to the

[00:16:28] game, they get snatched by the fog. Because like the myths are secretly being in the core book

[00:16:35] and the core setting, they're being secretly controlled by Strahd. And he just likes fucking

[00:16:39] with his, his play things. But I just liked that it was like this sort of like, it was

[00:16:44] an organism in of itself. And without Strahd, it was just kind of randomly picking or

[00:16:48] plucking people. But yeah. And I guess last but not least we have purple David.

[00:16:58] So I was the occultist and I picked my playbook. I think I was one of the last ones because there

[00:17:07] were like two or three available at the time. And I saw occultist and I thought,

[00:17:17] I thought that the one that fit best just because of the way that I've always

[00:17:25] thought of them is that in certain families, you have that one weird relative who lives away

[00:17:32] from everybody else, the black sheep. And especially once you get into some of the

[00:17:37] hilly regions, parts of Kentucky, parts of Southern Missouri, parts of Arkansas,

[00:17:42] where there is the witchy member of the family who lives way up in the hills and nobody goes

[00:17:47] to see them unless there's trouble. Yeah. And it's always trouble. What's that?

[00:17:56] Not quite that kind of trouble. But so I thought, or that's where Sorin came from is

[00:18:04] I just kind of thought, oh yes, the old man who lives on top of that hill way over yonder.

[00:18:11] Don't bother cousin Sorin unless there's something horrible going on. And one of the

[00:18:17] dark secrets listed in the book was secretly a changeling. And I thought, oh, this could be fun.

[00:18:24] And I didn't know if it was going to be a little thing or if it was going to be a great big thing,

[00:18:30] but I thought secretly a changeling would be a fun little play.

[00:18:34] I didn't expect it to take the life that it did. Yeah, I was a wild ride and damn,

[00:18:41] it was a good one. Yeah, I have a habit of like, I like what I like about in like

[00:18:47] tabletop games is like when you're running a campaign, like it goes on for like for a bit,

[00:18:52] like how things just organically evolve in the story. And like, so like I do leave a lot of gaps

[00:18:58] even in my note when I'm taking notes and stuff of that ahead of time, so that I can just like

[00:19:02] come up with something or like augment something in the game in the background

[00:19:06] to help like build up on like what's going on for the characters and stuff.

[00:19:12] And yeah, your changeling thing is like, well, it worked out so well for like my initial

[00:19:16] premise of the game where like, all right, the whole motivation you guys have for going into

[00:19:22] Ravenloft is because you've gotten a letter from your old granny or from your strange eccentric

[00:19:27] granny. Because and the reason why she sent out these letters for you guys to go into the

[00:19:32] midst of Ravenloft is because she's been keeping the secret that you guys have all been twins

[00:19:38] and your other halves have a stronger bond to the to the Misty lands than you your side did.

[00:19:46] So that she's like separated you guys at some point in your lives and and brought those children

[00:19:52] to the Misty land so that they won't draw too you guys won't together you won't draw too much

[00:19:56] attention from like Strahd and other like denizens of the Misty lands. But something's gone

[00:20:02] wrong, they've been taken, you guys have to oops hunt down your you have to find out what

[00:20:07] happened to your twins that you just discovered you're just discovering now you have because

[00:20:12] something's been like some kind of like spells been put over you guys to forget that you had

[00:20:16] twins. And then, yeah, David gives me that Soren is a changeling. Well, that's just basically

[00:20:22] double hamletting it like not only are you a twin or not only was your was was og Soren

[00:20:30] twins with another person. Soren was kidnapped and replaced with this fae creature

[00:20:37] that is off the dude playing the dude disguises another thing.

[00:20:44] I think I messed that joke up too. I gotta tell you, it was just absolutely glorious.

[00:20:50] Yeah. And the fact that if I can just add this other bit here like of how it evolved.

[00:20:56] So in the Misty lands, I knew that I wanted to have that like, all right, there's a power

[00:21:01] vacuum during the in the in between period between cycles of where Strahd like resurrects and stuff

[00:21:07] kind of like Dracula like dies and resurrects every Castlevania game. And there's a power

[00:21:15] vacuum in Ravenloft while he's gone. So what other big power is there going to be? Well,

[00:21:21] we're playing Vosin. So maybe the fae. Well, what fae are in in Ravenloft? Well,

[00:21:26] as it turns out, the fae of the shadow realms or the shadow fae court, which in D&D and so

[00:21:32] when I was looking it up on like Forgotten Realms doc, dot wiki and stuff like that,

[00:21:36] the shadow fae are basically the Fomor. And I was like, oh, that's perfect because

[00:21:42] David's a Dresden fan. So I can just I can just use the Fomor as like like so the Fomor

[00:21:48] are trying to like, basically take the power like like insert themselves into the power

[00:21:53] vacuum of Ravenloft. And what better way than you're changeling to be a Fomorian prince?

[00:22:00] And I did make up your character like you're you're not like one from from folklore, but

[00:22:06] your parentage is I think I sent I sent you like a private message early on of like,

[00:22:14] okay, so just for shits and giggles, your your true name is Malvadon. And you're the son

[00:22:20] of this character, which was actually in Ravenloft. Like Kathleen or something, I think is the

[00:22:26] yeah, the crooked tooth. Like that's actually in Ravenloft. And it's actually and when I

[00:22:31] looked up that name in real folklore for like the Fomor and stuff. She's the queen

[00:22:36] of the Fomor and her her her husband is Baylor is the big one eyed moth, the big one

[00:22:46] eyed Fomor that like shoots like blasts, like energy and stuff out of its using its eye and such.

[00:22:53] Which I think in the Dresden files, like not to spoil, but somebody uses something like that.

[00:22:59] Oh, yes. To be fair in the Dresden files, that I does come to be very, very important

[00:23:08] in one of the later stories. Yes. And I actually knew it from that from the Dresden

[00:23:14] book, but also from Assassin's Creed Valhalla. The Irish the Irish deals has a spear that's the

[00:23:19] spear of the Baylor or the spear of Baylor. And I was like, Oh, it's just like that thing. Okay,

[00:23:27] cool. I have this. So yeah, being able to like throw in that your character is

[00:23:36] sort of a spy slash sort of an insert of this this group that's trying to get a stronghold

[00:23:41] into Ravenloft or started to get like a stronger yield. Because again, when I was

[00:23:47] this sort of happened over the course of the campaign, I'd be like reading stuff in the

[00:23:50] in the books as we're playing. And I found that like all these standing stones that are

[00:23:55] mentioned in Ravenloft and in Barovia, like in the valleys around Barovia specifically,

[00:24:00] they're all like alters to an older power that was here before Strahd even like came into

[00:24:05] power and stuff that like before his first cycle. And it was in worship of the of the of the Shadow

[00:24:12] Fae. And so it was like, and they mentioned like Kathleen, and a couple other like denizens

[00:24:19] of the Shadow Fae. I was like, So wait, the they were here before and then the vampires and

[00:24:24] all the undead stuff showed up. And now so like that makes perfect sense that like,

[00:24:29] now that the although like the vampires and stuff that are in decline, this old old power

[00:24:34] can like suddenly seep back up out of like the gloom and try and like reassert themselves a little

[00:24:39] bit. So thank you, David for giving me that opportunity to help flesh out that part of the

[00:24:43] the store the world building we were doing. Oh, you are most welcome, sir. And I've just

[00:24:49] got to say that after all of this is over, I kind of need for Josh to call me motherfucker

[00:24:54] one last time because I want that to be my ringtone so bad. We do have to come in up.

[00:25:03] We do. The sheer number of times especially. So once it was known out of character, but not

[00:25:13] in character that I was secretly a changeling and that every single time I've been handing

[00:25:19] the horseshoe and saying prove that you are not in fact Fae was the best smoke screen at first

[00:25:28] for hiding the fact that I was actually Fae. Yeah, it's like, wait, he's been touching with

[00:25:33] his fingers. I've got pine sap on my fingers motherfucker. At first it was I have an obvious

[00:25:39] pair of gloves and then after that it's pine sap on my fingers. Yeah. And then I think the other

[00:25:44] one was like, but wait, how do you hold it? And then it's like, well, I mean, like,

[00:25:48] this is technically a glove at the very end of the level like the last session.

[00:25:52] This is technical as you hold up with the dripping bits of your glamour, your flesh glamour.

[00:25:58] Yes. I heard Josh storming away from the computer. I think that was Dave.

[00:26:05] Yeah, Dave was like, I'm done. It was gloriously disgusting.

[00:26:12] Yeah. But yeah.

[00:26:15] Also thank you. I mean, because I figured also the thing about Shadow Fae is that when

[00:26:20] they shatter a glamour, it's never pretty. No, it's yeah, it's got to be something.

[00:26:26] This is a horror. It's got to be somewhat horrific.

[00:26:28] And this whole thing is like supposed to be like European, like Euro horror,

[00:26:32] like folk horror stuff. Like we've got to throw that in some more, some visceral stuff. So

[00:26:40] I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get off. Oh no, it's still good. I mean,

[00:26:46] like every bit of this campaign was just layers upon layers upon layers of awesome.

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:55] It was great. And it was, I mean, from like a player standpoint, watching you all play,

[00:27:01] the weird thing is I've listened to each one of you play prior to playing with you

[00:27:06] and stuff like that just from RPPR. And then I was listening to the Mass Effect game.

[00:27:14] God, what was season one? What'd you cut?

[00:27:16] It's Wolfpack.

[00:27:17] Wolfpack. I listened to it. So, I mean, everyone here I'd listened to before playing. Now I did

[00:27:23] have a chance to play with Josh and Dave beforehand, but this is just like,

[00:27:30] I don't know. It was a nice little Voltron of a group together.

[00:27:34] Yeah. Being able to like bring like people from like three different podcasts together.

[00:27:40] It was like, it's over like a trifecta of like a crossover,

[00:27:43] but also like the fact that we're all like friends that we've like met across these different

[00:27:49] podcasts is like, it was also really good. And just watching each one of you, like your

[00:27:56] our triumphs and our failures like the entire time was just, I don't know. I enjoyed all

[00:28:03] of that. And I'm waiting to a little bit before I download this and listen to it again,

[00:28:08] because I think I'll be able to pick up on quite a bit that I missed in play, but this is great.

[00:28:15] Yeah. This one will actually like as of this recording, this one is slowly getting put out

[00:28:20] there. Like every other week, this one goes up. So I think we're currently just posted

[00:28:29] episode six or seven. The one I think it's, or I think I've scheduled up to six or seven

[00:28:36] at this point. I still have like, I think I have like three or four more sessions I have to edit

[00:28:40] and post or scheduled to post. So sorry about that. Oh, no problem. I saw that you muted.

[00:28:47] I didn't see that. Yeah. Cause right as David was going, just need Josh to call me

[00:28:51] motherfucker one more time. My mother came in the room and she's like, can you take the puppy out?

[00:28:57] You were like, yeah, sure. I was like, God damn it. Right now too.

[00:29:06] It's like, fine. If everyone's talking, I can just slip away. But it's clearly pointing back at me.

[00:29:11] It's like that woman didn't show you the Goonies. You owe her nothing, Josh.

[00:29:17] I didn't watch movies with my mother. I've seen very few with her.

[00:29:20] It's okay, Josh. We'll come over next time you come over. We'll watch the Goonies.

[00:29:25] No, I don't want to watch the Goonies at this point. It's a point of pride.

[00:29:27] You have to, we're okay, Dave. We're, we're strapping him to a chair.

[00:29:31] Mark, we're going to block this motherfucker.

[00:29:38] But yeah, the movie I have not seen, but I do get the reference.

[00:29:41] Yeah. I mean, to be fair, I have it. I haven't seen it, but I know that reference.

[00:29:47] Now I was bragging about the players, but goddamn Chris, you dropped us in to Boston.

[00:29:53] Really? I mean, we did like that little sessions.

[00:29:55] Like Adam Zero. Yeah. I'm gonna let you finish, but David motherfucker.

[00:30:02] Beat him, Josh. Yeah. You need to be like you motherfucker.

[00:30:06] You motherfucker. There we go.

[00:30:11] Because every time just every fucking time, just you.

[00:30:16] Okay. Chris, can I?

[00:30:18] I think my favorite one was the.

[00:30:19] Yeah. So it was the rabbit.

[00:30:22] Oh yeah. The clever motherfucker.

[00:30:24] Yeah. Yeah. Cause it was like, oh, how, how was he able to do that?

[00:30:29] Rabbit blood. It's like, damn it.

[00:30:32] There was like, there was one time I saw my chance to actually do something

[00:30:38] and I only realized it 10 minutes past it. Every time after that, I was going

[00:30:42] motherfucker, motherfucker, motherfucker.

[00:30:45] Well, it's fine too. Cause like not only like, like whatever,

[00:30:48] like you were touching something like that was ironed and it was being affected because you

[00:30:51] were like being very clever with how you were like avoiding it. Also every time, like when the,

[00:30:57] when the, when the legions of your parents started like showing up, like the, the, the marrow

[00:31:04] and they start, I kept having them like, like refer to you as like their liege or their

[00:31:09] highness. When they recognized your, like you through the glamour and stuff. And everyone had

[00:31:14] to try was like it shouldn't roll to like, to learn, like the, to get some insight on

[00:31:19] it. And we're all failing because your dice are like holier than thou.

[00:31:23] He's holier than now and I'm fucking cursed.

[00:31:26] Yeah.

[00:31:27] But I think my favorite one out of the closest calls was when Adam was trying to ask, it was

[00:31:34] dancing around and I said, there's two answers to this question. One of them

[00:31:41] is that I have been your cousin this whole time and that I am very clearly on your side.

[00:31:48] And the other is not that answer. Which one would you prefer to be the truth?

[00:31:56] Yeah, that was good.

[00:31:58] Yep.

[00:32:00] Yeah.

[00:32:01] I feel like I skirted the line of, am I actually lying or am I actually telling the truth on

[00:32:08] that one? But by making it a hypothetical question, I was able to, cause if you listen,

[00:32:14] go back through and listen to Sora and he never wants tells an outright lie.

[00:32:19] I know.

[00:32:20] John was being very thorough to look for that.

[00:32:23] And I took a page out of the Wheel of Time because if you've read the series,

[00:32:35] and if you have my compliments to you, that is a series of big thick doorstoppery books.

[00:32:42] Like the entire series, every single book in it, including the Sanderson one,

[00:32:47] which is lighter than the Jordan ones, is still thick and heavy enough to stop a bullet.

[00:32:54] But I digress. The fact that the mystics within that series all take a vow not to lie

[00:33:01] and they swear it on this magic rod that binds them to tell the truth,

[00:33:05] but they don't have to tell the complete and whole truth and nothing but. They can

[00:33:12] prevaricate by answering a question with a question. They can evade the answer.

[00:33:19] And so I read a couple of different Jordan books in between and just read Isidai dialogue,

[00:33:27] mostly so that I could see different ways to do it. Like I did a little bit of research

[00:33:32] so that I was not actually going to be lying. So I borrowed from the best. There was some prep

[00:33:41] work that happened there. I'd like to take full credit for just being able to pull that out of

[00:33:46] nowhere, but no, I actually worked at it. It took effort. It took some effort.

[00:33:51] It showed. Honestly, that scene when you guys are on the island in the middle of the lake

[00:33:59] and that whole confrontation comes up. To me, I was getting chills because it reminded me of,

[00:34:05] it kind of gave me the vibe of the enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of confrontations you

[00:34:10] see in fiction where it's just like, look, I've been with you this whole time. That is our

[00:34:17] enemy. We are not enemies. And I'm enemies with that. We are not enemies. It's that

[00:34:22] confrontation thing of questioning allegiances and having the character have to make a choice.

[00:34:31] Well, we've been through thick and thin. Do I really want to fuck that whole partnership up

[00:34:38] right now? I would. Well, of course you would. You are waiting to just like leave that.

[00:34:45] And every time, every time he fucking I either wasn't there when I saw an opening.

[00:34:49] Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. I knew it.

[00:34:55] Um, yeah, I am upset that he got away with it until the very end when he just

[00:35:03] explained he revealed it. I am upset that I did it because there was no way I was

[00:35:09] out rolling David. Yeah, no. So I had to catch a mistake period.

[00:35:15] David was using actual folk magic to keep to keep his to bless his dice

[00:35:20] and curse mine. Yeah, I don't curse other people's dice. I just bless the fuck out of

[00:35:27] mine. Yeah. And I keep telling you guys, all you gotta do is just find the spirit that your

[00:35:35] dice like the most. And by spirit, I mean alcohol. Soak your dice overnight in that

[00:35:41] a particular hooch and they will roll better for you. Prepare your dice.

[00:35:47] I had my dog bless my dice and they still rolled like shit. I actually rolled worse.

[00:35:55] Yeah, you don't blame the dog. Yeah. There's your problem right there.

[00:36:01] Yeah. How about this, Josh? When again, when you come over, we'll put your your dice in a bowl

[00:36:08] in a mason jar of like rum or something. Like, and we'll just leave it overnight and then

[00:36:16] like we'll give it back to you. But yeah, so um, yeah, so that was those are the characters

[00:36:25] that you guys blame such. I blame you, dog. Yeah, you.

[00:36:30] By the way, before we move on from this, the problem that I had with Sorin with his like him

[00:36:37] being a machinist and everything and us knowing about it out of character, I had to keep

[00:36:43] remembering that in character, I don't know so I can't call them out. So I had to keep like

[00:36:48] trying to see him fuck up like knowing about it kind of made it harder. Yeah,

[00:36:53] if I didn't know about it as a player, I might have noticed it earlier. Oh, I would

[00:36:59] if I didn't know that as a player fucking it, it would have gone completely over.

[00:37:02] I have removed what I have removed a couple of times in our recordings.

[00:37:09] When somebody says something and like I'll I have removed it just because like,

[00:37:13] I think we've even said like right after you should probably remove that. So like it's

[00:37:16] doesn't like spoil thing too much. But that is something like unfortunately, I'm guilty of

[00:37:20] that a lot is like I can't keep a secret. Like I can, I'm it's very hard for me to hold on to

[00:37:26] something and not tell you guys out of game. But I pull I think I've done it a couple times

[00:37:34] in this campaign, like like holding onto something until the final into an actual

[00:37:37] until a good reveal. But I'm also like, I think that's just something like we all

[00:37:42] are also like I trust all of you guys not to fully metagame or at least I trust the rest

[00:37:47] of you to to bully that person who does not to metagame. So

[00:37:56] yeah, yeah, like basically like enforcing that like meta gaming does not happen. So

[00:38:04] but yeah, I may that might it may or may not like dampen somebody who's listening to this

[00:38:11] campaign like but like out in when we're playing it like we're recording this game for us

[00:38:15] mostly than anybody else and just like the recordings up on the air are for

[00:38:20] like anyone to enjoy but like, yeah, when we're playing the game, like in that moment,

[00:38:25] like I'm I don't mind like table chatter and like speaking out of character and stuff like

[00:38:30] that. So as long as people know to like not metagame stuff that like we're we accidentally

[00:38:37] let slip during table chatter. So but yeah. What

[00:38:46] yeah, Adam, well, I think I want to talk like move this forward by just talking about this

[00:38:52] false sense of security that I originally had with Boston. So, you know, and I know

[00:39:00] a couple of us here played I ran a little one shot. I don't know if I is it up on one

[00:39:05] let's die yet the Coriolis one? Not yet. It'll go up in a it actually should be going

[00:39:12] up in a couple of months, probably around May. Okay. This this episode will be getting

[00:39:15] up posted right after the campaign, which is like I think right before

[00:39:20] that camp that those games go up. So I had a little bit of experience with it. It's a

[00:39:28] slightly a slight variation of this but we had a I don't think all the players were there.

[00:39:34] I can't remember who was absent. Was it Josh? I think Josh was there but he fell asleep halfway

[00:39:42] through the first session. Due to your schedule, to be fair. But I think it was working nights

[00:39:49] is always fun. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was me, Josh and Dave. So were your players?

[00:39:55] And we had like a little taste of Barovia. And it was a nice little exploratory deal

[00:40:01] wasn't a lot of combat and we made the roads and I mean it's the free leagues system is you know,

[00:40:08] six is for success. And everything else is not and I mean, we had a pretty decent run at it

[00:40:14] didn't have too much trouble kind of wet or whistle. And then all of a sudden you throw

[00:40:19] us on the murder train. Yeah, I need some way to get you guys to Barovia like I like some

[00:40:26] 1900s way of getting you to the to the Misty lands. So it was it was wonderful. It's just like,

[00:40:33] you know, we went from the kitty land tutorial to okay guys now it's time to fight Sephiroth.

[00:40:39] Well, you guys were on you guys were on a train or you guys were in a dream the first

[00:40:44] time around. Technically you guys weren't like you were kind of in Barovia the first in

[00:40:52] session zero but then like once you guys got on the train stuff, you were physically there.

[00:40:56] Like, yeah, because that train was like so hazardous. That's part of the reason why I'm

[00:41:00] like there's a suit of armor there. I'm taking it. I think you almost died.

[00:41:06] Or didn't almost die because we had to as we found out like yet to like get a certain role

[00:41:13] on a chart to die fully like actually like legitimately die. Yeah, I think I went down

[00:41:18] to zero hit points like three or four times through the whole campaign. Yeah.

[00:41:23] Yeah, so the game is kind of lenient in that regard in that like I mean,

[00:41:27] once you're down to zero, like you're supposed to be out like you're unconscious.

[00:41:30] Yes. And then like if anything, if everybody gets goes unconscious, then basically it's a

[00:41:35] TPK because like who's saving who to be honest, when I did go down to zero HP,

[00:41:40] I don't know if I actually was KO'd or if I just took a negative and then just went on.

[00:41:46] I don't remember what happened. I think yeah, I think we believe that usually

[00:41:49] you took a negative and kept on going. Yeah, I think I would. Yeah, this was a point of

[00:41:54] stage where like we had forgotten that part of the rules or we hadn't like because I did.

[00:41:59] I do remember like rereading that as like, oh shit, when you guys are supposed to be like

[00:42:03] hitting zero, like you're down. And I think we we used that when you guys were fighting

[00:42:08] Baba Liss Yaga and the Hags.

[00:42:11] Um, in this one or Dave absolutely taking a negative. Yeah, I remember rolling for it.

[00:42:16] Yeah. So the game did we did get I did give you guys get away with a few things that were a

[00:42:20] little bit more DND ish like power fantasy ish be in because this game like the setting the

[00:42:25] system and setting of Vossan is kind of like it's an investigative supernatural game,

[00:42:30] but it's also very horror and like dark because and like I have heard of I've heard

[00:42:35] games like campaigns before this actually what introduced me to Boston, I think what introduced

[00:42:40] Adam to Lawson was a podcast called Lost the Lost Mountain Saga. And their first campaign lost

[00:42:47] mountain was like they had they had the same characters throughout the entire campaign.

[00:42:53] And it was like a 22 or so it was a 20 plus session, like run. And it wasn't until the

[00:42:59] very end that some like like some of them had bad ends because of how many like conditions

[00:43:04] they had had they'd taken over the course of the game, but they kept going after like

[00:43:08] they'd been pretty the GM had been pretty lenient with like not killing them through

[00:43:12] the set to the campaign. And then their second campaign they released they it only

[00:43:17] let the second attempt of playing through a game with new characters. The GM decided

[00:43:23] to be a little bit more like by the book and killed them like just accidentally TPK them.

[00:43:29] And then they're like, oh shit, our characters are dead. I was so used to how we played in

[00:43:34] the first version. I forgot we had to be cautious. And so when they did the third time around,

[00:43:42] they were a little bit more like cautious about what they did in the game because

[00:43:45] they realized their GM wasn't holding their hand anymore.

[00:43:49] So that we kind of played it more like how the original like, like,

[00:43:54] kind of that first way or like and also it's the setting itself is I felt like how this,

[00:43:59] even if we pulled it from like D&D, I pulled it away from D&D like mechanically,

[00:44:03] there was still a little bit of the spirit of D&D in there of like being like big bad heroes.

[00:44:08] So I kind of embraced a little bit of that through the through the game as well.

[00:44:15] But yeah, no, I guess like talking on the on the mechanics in the system.

[00:44:23] I really do like Vossen as a horror supplement for Shadowrun style mechanics because it kind

[00:44:29] of has a Shadowrun like vibe for the with the dice rolling mechanic.

[00:44:34] And even like, not as fun though, in my opinion, as Shadowrun.

[00:44:37] Right. I think I think it's I know because like it's because

[00:44:41] there's not that you fail a lot more in this game.

[00:44:43] Oh, yeah. But I think there's a lot like Shadowrun because like also there's

[00:44:48] negative condition stuff. Like we were supposed to be at least I believe every time we get

[00:44:55] damage one way or the other, we're supposed to be taking negative dice,

[00:44:58] which I don't think we ever did. Yeah, it's supposed to take like one less,

[00:45:02] basically. Yeah. One less die. Yeah. But also like the yeah, like even the the armor

[00:45:09] mechanic and like the combat mechanic like is very similar because like you attack somebody

[00:45:13] if you don't gobble their dice like or gobble their hits with your role, they go through but

[00:45:19] then you roll basically a damage resistance with armor to try and get whittled down there,

[00:45:26] the damage they're doing to you as well, which is very much like Shadowrun.

[00:45:30] But yeah, I think I know you say it's not fun to me. I think it's just it's a little

[00:45:34] bit more dire and a little bit more like it leans more into the horror than Shadowrun does

[00:45:39] because it only gives you the only time you get hits is six is if you land on six,

[00:45:44] whereas in Shadowrun, it's five or six. And six is critical.

[00:45:50] Yeah, this is like simplified. Where you succeed less where Shadowrun is more lenient on your

[00:45:59] successes and it's crunchier to. Yeah. As basically the differences between the two.

[00:46:06] Yeah. So it was like it was familiar but like it was it was different but familiar,

[00:46:11] if that makes sense. Familiarly different. Like we it was similar mechanic, but like yeah,

[00:46:19] it was definitely more to me. I again, I definitely play or run more Vosan

[00:46:25] for like if I was making doing something more horror and like you're less like

[00:46:31] if people were in for more like less like fiddley bits and stuff like that for a game.

[00:46:35] Like I feel like you could probably use Vosan for like a pick up and play kind of thing

[00:46:40] a little bit more than you could for like Shadowrun.

[00:46:42] Yeah, because making that character in Shadowrun is like making a character

[00:46:46] Mass Effect G20. It's like doing your best. Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, that's yeah,

[00:46:50] it's basically like you're counting. Yeah. Once it's set up, it works fine,

[00:46:55] but God takes forever. Yeah. And also I think something that I might have that might have

[00:47:01] maybe hampered your experiences in this is I did kept forgetting that like one success

[00:47:10] is like, like does mean something like there. This game's a little bit more.

[00:47:17] It downplays like how many successes you need to get for things. And I was kind of I always

[00:47:21] kind of get like a little like, I always tend to either forget or feel like something should be

[00:47:27] a little bit harder than it should be. So I usually like binary in this, like if you get

[00:47:33] a success, you're good. Well, no, you can't like there are like, I think, if I pull it

[00:47:37] up something unless you're doing something outrageous, then you would need multiple.

[00:47:40] Yeah, I think like if you know that if you get like one success, then you should it should

[00:47:45] basically be a success. But like there should be a success, but maybe with some complication.

[00:47:48] Yeah, but like it should still be a success. Whereas like in some like some things like if

[00:47:53] you're going up against something and they roll and it's as and I don't have to roll,

[00:47:57] but I'm just like I put it as a two, you have to like that has to be something very dire

[00:48:02] that you're doing you're trying to accomplish. And I think I kept forgetting about that. And

[00:48:06] it's something I've I sometimes forget with Power by the Apocalypse as well, because it's also very

[00:48:11] much like that as well. I mean, this happens every single time we try a new system, like

[00:48:15] we do run through it, we forget half the rules go whoopsie. Yeah. Yeah, here. Yeah,

[00:48:22] here's the levels of difficulty for Vosin. If it's a normal action, it's always one success.

[00:48:28] If it's a challenging action, it's two successes. And if it's difficult,

[00:48:33] it's three successes. So yeah, basically, I kept like I just like

[00:48:40] I may have like, like forgotten about that principle and kept and kept bumping up

[00:48:45] the goal for you guys to succeed on things. And for that, I'm sorry. But

[00:48:52] that's not sorry. Well, no, I'm sorry. But also like we're learning. We're learning. Oh,

[00:48:58] it's the motto of one less die. Like, I have too many games that I want to play.

[00:49:05] But I don't want to fully like read through them. I want to play I want to learn it through play.

[00:49:10] So that's that we're always going to be learning. You prefer tripping up the stairs?

[00:49:15] Yeah, exactly. I prefer learning through being beaten to death by by my inspector.

[00:49:22] Nice. OK, I prefer to like I prefer to have lived in experiences of learning rather than

[00:49:29] like reading a book. You were mentioning how we were like, you know, you made it a bit pulpier

[00:49:36] for us and whatnot. And I mean, I've seen different people on different message boards

[00:49:43] kind of discuss like the leveling up and it's like it should you should probably if you

[00:49:49] want to make it where your characters aren't going to have like a power bloat, then whatever

[00:49:54] upgrade costs is you just double it kind of deal like that. But you let us basically each

[00:50:00] session we could basically buy something and whatnot. And I mean, I felt that was very

[00:50:06] I liked that. And I liked how rewarding it felt like at the end when I'd beefed up

[00:50:10] all my shooting and I had been reading the rules, the courts and then just pulling out

[00:50:16] pistols like fucking quickly down under and then just taking out everything. It was just

[00:50:23] I don't know. I'd be interested to see what a traditional bossing game was as opposed to

[00:50:29] what we did. But I think this it was a wise decision to give into the power fantasy.

[00:50:36] Well, yeah, because I think with like regular bossing, you're in a world where like the

[00:50:40] Vossen aren't as numerous, like not every session is going to be like filled with that.

[00:50:48] The other thing where I was also filling like this is a setting like Ravenloft is a setting

[00:50:52] where there are there's basically like creatures of the night like out of every fucking like

[00:50:57] wood pile. And and like and you guys are journeying deeper and deeper into the wild

[00:51:03] into the wilds of Barovia. And like you're going to encounter more than just one Vossen.

[00:51:08] And I think in Vossen like core, you're really only supposed to feel deal with one thing.

[00:51:14] And that's supposed to be like the trouble of the session, whereas I was throwing like

[00:51:18] multiple creatures at you guys. So it kind of worked that you guys were getting some

[00:51:23] like more experience and like leveling up or like getting some some increases to your character

[00:51:29] mechanically to survive this world. So.

[00:51:36] Yeah, also back to the gunplay for a moment. That's another rule that we forgot about is

[00:51:42] guns have ranges. Yeah, like we just think they have like a five foot range to shoot normally.

[00:51:49] And then you start taking negatives and rifles are like 10 or something like that.

[00:51:53] Yeah, they have like zone that we forgot about doing. Yeah, because if you're shooting within

[00:51:57] the same zone, you can shoot a pistol like in your zone or the next zone or whatever.

[00:52:02] But if you don't pass that, then you take negative dice. Yeah, yeah, it was abstracted.

[00:52:10] But and we go ahead. Oh, no, I have the book out and I'm actually looking at the

[00:52:16] range weapon. So it's like a revolver with range zero to one can be used in the same

[00:52:20] zone as your enemy and one zone away a rifle one to three. And it's like, yeah, we

[00:52:26] definitely did not. I definitely played loosey goosey with that. Yeah, we didn't talk ranges

[00:52:30] and all that. Yeah. Well, again, that's something like again, that's sort of like my GM style is

[00:52:34] like I don't I like to like have things keep moving. And sometimes that does pull away from

[00:52:41] like things that make things might think make things a little bit more like intricate or dire,

[00:52:45] I guess. Fair. But here's counterpoint to that. I have a sword. Yeah. And like gun. Okay,

[00:52:53] the way that we played the game guns were pretty much OP because you could do full damage as far

[00:52:59] away as you want, where I got to run up in their grill and take just as much damage and take

[00:53:05] just any damage from them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it's basically a balancing thing that

[00:53:10] in the system. I get it. I get why it does that. But without it, it I really wish I

[00:53:15] just took a game. That's fair. Yeah, we should maybe we should have stuck a little

[00:53:19] bit closer to the rules for that. Well, but again, like I said, first time playing the system,

[00:53:24] we're gonna forget half the rules. That's just the way it is. Yeah.

[00:53:29] Again, it's a learning process. Yeah, we didn't realize you could push for rows until like 10

[00:53:34] seconds. Yeah, I forgot every single episode. Well, yeah, and that's Yeah, that's the other

[00:53:39] thing. And again, Dave, do do not feel bad about it. Like it happens, like,

[00:53:44] and we did try, we would try to remind you to like, we're in my

[00:53:48] head after it became a bit that I kept forgetting. You think I would remember it's a bit.

[00:53:54] But yeah, no, it just only remembered every time I did it. Yeah.

[00:54:01] Well, because usually, like, David forget or like the or I would just bring it I'd recall

[00:54:06] it when as when Josh had failed on something that was crucial. I was like, well, remember

[00:54:10] Josh, you can push it. And then I just hear Dave's like, oh, shit. Yeah. Every time. Yeah.

[00:54:17] Because I'm thinking of it like shadow run. Yeah, there is no pushing the role in shadow run.

[00:54:22] But you can spend edge, which is basically like pushing it's kind of like, but yeah,

[00:54:26] because yeah. So I think to put a bow on this. Hey, Chris, what about the magic

[00:54:31] thing that wasn't included in the Boston Real Book? Yeah. Where'd you get that at?

[00:54:35] So I had a couple of things. So yeah, so Boston core was where we started with. And

[00:54:42] again, Ravenloft being a D&D set setting like, I didn't not want to give you guys some way of

[00:54:49] using spells and such. And I know in D in the core Boston game, like some Boston can like

[00:54:56] reward you like either like rel items, like magical items or like abilities if you make

[00:55:02] deals with them and stuff. But then I think it was Adam or I, but on on on drive thru RPG found

[00:55:08] a supplement because the cool thing about free league is that the one year engine or the

[00:55:15] what the engine, the, the, the dice roll mechanic and rule engine of, of Austin is open

[00:55:21] source or is a open game license. And so they offer that anybody who like go writes a

[00:55:28] bunch of stuff like basically supplementary stuff, like whether it be a scenario, homebrewed rules,

[00:55:35] stuff like that. They can put that on drive thru RPG and sell it as a supplementary material.

[00:55:43] And there is one, there's a one called mythic. I think it's called mythic magic. I

[00:55:48] unfortunately put it away. Give me a second.

[00:55:51] Where is, please hold. Oh yeah, it's called the supplement is magic in the mythic north.

[00:56:02] And it's by Bjorn Ove Asperm. And it's basically a,

[00:56:10] an additionary mechanic to let human characters learn magic. I'll like be a wizard or a witch

[00:56:19] or some kind of sorcerer. And you, you basically learn magic by like reading a grimoire

[00:56:25] or learning it from somebody who's a wizard or something, or from a boss themselves.

[00:56:32] And mechanically it's basically a talent. It's like one of the talent system. So you spend

[00:56:37] some points. You buy the first talent, which gives you I think a pool of three dice in a new

[00:56:44] attribute called magic. And using that, you can cast various spells that you've learned in the,

[00:56:52] in the fiction. So, and those, and the GM can, there's a couple of sample ones that the,

[00:57:00] the expansion has. And otherwise the GM is encouraged to come up with their own spells.

[00:57:05] So, so yeah. And there's even like a talent for like setting up your own like sanctum sectorum,

[00:57:11] like so basically like your, your wizarding library. Yeah. And all that kind of stuff.

[00:57:16] And there's penalties like, so learning magic, you roll your learning skill and

[00:57:22] to learn a spell and then casting magic. If you succeed the magic, the spell goes off as

[00:57:29] intended based off of like how many hits you have and stuff like that. You can, you can

[00:57:33] hit yourself with that. If you fail, the spell goes poorly and either like reverses

[00:57:43] like reverses its effects is cast upon you or somebody around you that was not the intended

[00:57:50] target, or you draw the, the, the eyes or attention of a Vossan or of a powerful entity.

[00:57:57] I really wish I had reverse healed someone.

[00:58:00] Just desiccate them.

[00:58:04] Just like blight them.

[00:58:05] It just puts me in mind of a line from, what is it? Hotel Artemis. You see this,

[00:58:11] this means that I am a healthcare professional and I can also unheal you real quick.

[00:58:16] Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's we use the, we used that for

[00:58:27] the game. And of course it being a campaign run by me, I had to throw in everyone's favorite

[00:58:33] worm that researchers that's totally inspired by my years of listening to Ross Payton from RPPR

[00:58:40] Professor Petonius.

[00:58:43] I told him about this and he is if he's not already listening, he will be.

[00:58:48] Oh God. Oh God.

[00:58:53] He smiled so big.

[00:58:56] He's a worm that researches. He's like, oh really? So he loved that.

[00:59:01] Also because of the way that the magic system worked, the original magic system,

[00:59:08] I found myself collecting a bunch of different magical items so that if I had to throw

[00:59:14] together a spell, I could. So I had ritual tools that saved up.

[00:59:20] Would you like to know what I've got on the sheet?

[00:59:23] Please share with us, share with the class.

[00:59:25] So I've, I started with powdered stag's horn, but I've also got a whole brass dragon claw.

[00:59:33] Yeah. The from that you got, so that was another thing we also get, so I'll

[00:59:38] bring this up after. I just wanted to bring it. Yeah. We also like that was from the,

[00:59:42] the train, the, the seer 1313 where you cut off the, you not only have a brass dragon's claw,

[00:59:50] you have the effectively the hand of a dread Lord who's on par with Strahd.

[00:59:59] Yeah. See, I was thinking that it was just like the, you know, claw clipping. Like I had a

[01:00:04] dragon's toenail is basically, I've got a hand that's actually been a brass dragon hand

[01:00:10] this entire time. I actually know. I do think it was like,

[01:00:13] I think it might just been the collect the finger. Basically you have,

[01:00:16] you effectively have the equivalent of Strahd's finger.

[01:00:19] Oh, so many fingers. I've also got Bob Ali Shia's fingers.

[01:00:24] Yeah. You removed her, her fingers so that the next cycle she can't, she can't do any,

[01:00:29] is it somatic components when you're using hand gestures? Yeah. Basically she

[01:00:33] can't do any hand gestures. So she can't do any spells that require hand gestures.

[01:00:39] Yeah. That's why we are saving those fingers for safekeeping. And I did spread some of them

[01:00:44] around like the were ravens have some of them. I have others just in case I, or they fall.

[01:00:51] She has to take all of us to get all of her hands back.

[01:00:54] Nice. It might take her a couple of cycles because it might.

[01:01:00] Let's see. I've got Indrid Cold's knife. Yep. I've got Yaga's crystal ball. And then

[01:01:06] I've also got the fang of the red cap that we banished because weirdly enough,

[01:01:11] so showing my age and showing my background here a little bit, when it came time for fighting the

[01:01:17] red cap, I love the fact that the fey who is pretending to be the occultist from the top of

[01:01:25] a mountain is played by the only member of the party who grew up with a religious,

[01:01:34] religious family to the point where I still had the scriptures right there in my head.

[01:01:40] I can quote scripture at this guy all day long. In character, I'm not sure exactly how that works,

[01:01:46] but out of character, I still got them.

[01:01:48] I mean, so like the, I think the scripture thing, like it was something that red cap

[01:01:53] specifically don't like, and I think also like to a lesser degree, trolls also don't like,

[01:01:58] I know trolls don't like the ringing of church bells. But like in the Vossum book, some

[01:02:05] like, to some fey scripture and religious like Christianity stuff, sometimes it works on them.

[01:02:11] Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they're actually believers in it as well

[01:02:17] because it's that whole thing of like much how like Christianity just kind of invaded the

[01:02:22] the Norse Viking, like human cultures and stuff. It might have also trickled into the fey stuff as

[01:02:27] well or the Vossum and such too. So yeah, so yeah, I can see like that, like if you're a

[01:02:35] Fomor, like you, if you also, if you depending on when you took Sorin and replaced him,

[01:02:41] you got all of his memories. So yeah, so yeah, I can see like that, like if you're a Fomor,

[01:02:45] like you, if you also, if you depending on when you took Sorin and replaced him,

[01:02:50] you got all of his memories. So like, you might have just had that on in your head from

[01:02:57] Sorin himself. Sort of like a recording of it.

[01:03:01] Jim I kind of feel like the taking of Sorin happened early enough in Sorin's life that

[01:03:09] it's going to turn into a thing where it's like, well, the church social is coming up.

[01:03:12] What do you mean church? I've never been to church.

[01:03:15] Oh, yes, that service. Or it's like, yeah, like Sorin just, I don't know, as soon as,

[01:03:25] after he took, after he turned 20, he just got really weird. Like stop for,

[01:03:31] he got a little, almost like he was senile. He kept forgetting things.

[01:03:34] Jim Strange. But what's also right up there is it's like, yeah, the

[01:03:40] Sorin got taken so young that I have been Sorin for so long. I kind of want to know what's going

[01:03:47] to happen on that mountain now. Like somebody is going to come to see him and he's going to be a

[01:03:52] teenager or just a little bit older going, I have no idea what's going on here.

[01:03:57] Jim Yeah, you did state, I think at the end of the campaign that he was getting put back

[01:04:02] on that mountain at like 20, at the age of 20 basically. And it was going to feel like

[01:04:09] he'd lived there for decades, but it was also going to be new to him. So I imagine the

[01:04:24] Swordwreath Society was probably going to show up at his doorstep at some point and talk to

[01:04:31] him about maybe joining their organization because that's what they do. They tend to track down

[01:04:39] magic users and occultists that actually have like power behind it to help regulate magic

[01:04:48] users in the world. So yeah, that was another thing that actually I implemented. So anyone who

[01:04:57] listens to One Less Die knows that a lot of our games tend to tie to other campaigns and such.

[01:05:04] And the Swordwreath Society stuff and the things that were happening on the Earth side of

[01:05:11] Mistborn, that all is basically tied to the Grumblehammer universe. So all of our like

[01:05:19] Grumblehammer, like 1920s investigations, 1940s investigations, Esoterica. Esoterica!

[01:05:25] Jim Esoterica!

[01:05:26] Jim Esoterica!

[01:05:27] Jim Esoterica!

[01:05:28] Jim Those games that all have to do with like a secret organization of like wizards and

[01:05:33] mages and shamans across the world. The Swordwreath Society is just the 19th century

[01:05:42] front for that organization. Basically they're wizards and shamans and mages that have been

[01:05:51] around since time immemorial. They're all across the world, like all different like

[01:05:54] customs and face and stuff. And they keep the world safe from magical threats and such.

[01:06:00] Adam And their name keeps changing over the years, right?

[01:06:03] Jim Yeah.

[01:06:03] Adam Yeah, because it's stemmed-

[01:06:05] Every game ties back into Grumblehammer, doesn't it?

[01:06:08] Jim Most of them.

[01:06:09] Adam Maybe Rock Surge did.

[01:06:11] Jim Yeah, that or Datworld, eventually. So yeah, like the Circle of Swords is their

[01:06:17] original name and it's basically like, that's the term for them because that name came from

[01:06:23] when they were Roman centurions and picked tribes that had to fight off a magical threat

[01:06:32] on the British islands around the time of like the Lost Legion. That's how far that goes. And

[01:06:40] yeah, they just kept with this whole like the Circle of Swords is sort of like the round table

[01:06:46] kind of iconography. So they just keep that-

[01:06:49] Adam I kind of figured that Swordwreath was related to the-

[01:06:51] Jim Yeah.

[01:06:52] Adam Yeah, basically I had to just try and come up with a name that has sword

[01:06:58] and a circle in the name. And yeah, the Swordwreath Society seemed like a nice fit for like the 19th

[01:07:05] century occultists. And then speaking of other connections, yeah, when you guys got on the

[01:07:14] train, the Mistborn 1313 or then as it was revealed to be the Seer 1313, it sort of

[01:07:21] indirectly tied to our Eberron campaign that One Less Die has been running, or that was

[01:07:28] around the same time as this game was playing, where we've been running an Eberron game.

[01:07:34] And when I was looking through the supplementary material for Ravenloft,

[01:07:38] I saw that there's a bunch of different like dread domains, like there's other locations

[01:07:42] in the Misty Lands and they even have like a spot where you can-

[01:07:45] Adam Domain.

[01:07:46] Adam Where they have like ones that are really small domains,

[01:07:49] like not even like big continents or like big lands, but just like a building or like

[01:07:54] a train, for example. And for the Eberron campaign setting, like to link it to Ravenloft,

[01:08:00] they used the last train that didn't escape the morning, which in Eberron there was a

[01:08:08] country that got wiped out by a magical strange anomaly creating mist. And it's not cemented

[01:08:19] down that the mists are of Ravenloft, but somebody has gone in and added that as an option.

[01:08:26] If you want to have a connection between Ravenloft and Eberron is that the mists

[01:08:30] of the morning are actually the mists of the Misty Lands. And so there's actually

[01:08:37] a supplementary material that I bought off of Drive Through RPG for this campaign called

[01:08:44] The Seer 1313, The Morning Rail. And it gives you a layout of this train and a bunch of

[01:08:52] encounters you can have with it, including again in our game, it was the ghost that

[01:08:59] is like in the next room over from yours that the guy keeps getting killed and then

[01:09:04] like after a couple of hours gets revived and then is killed again and he doesn't

[01:09:08] know who's killing him. And it leaves you the game, the- this

[01:09:14] supplementary material gives you options for like who that is. And it can be the VIP,

[01:09:22] like the last passenger who is the dreadlord of that domain, of the train.

[01:09:30] And basically like that's the person that the Misty Lands are trying to keep imprisoned

[01:09:35] in their own personal hell, which is how the Misty Lands all work. Like every

[01:09:39] dread domain, every Barovia, Velocchi, or every like weird like misty,

[01:09:51] mist-inshrouded location in Ravenloft has their own like villainous mastermind who's actually

[01:10:00] also a prisoner there because of the mists and stuff like that. Like the mists are both like

[01:10:06] good and evil. And they keep these like sinister beings imprisoned in their own like kingdoms.

[01:10:14] And so with the Seer 1313, they even tell- they even give you a roster of like who exactly

[01:10:21] the- like what is the last passenger? Like and you can actually like choose from like

[01:10:26] a list of like what do you- like for- to make it fully customizable of who you want

[01:10:31] the last passenger to be. And one of them is, if I look here, yeah for our game it was basically

[01:10:40] that he was Cherikapeshk, who is a brass dragon who has taken the form of a tall elven man.

[01:10:47] He had been manipulating Syren politics and innovation behind the scenes for centuries

[01:10:53] before the morning happened. So that was our link to

[01:11:01] our Eberron campaign, was like also just sort of like another- an Easter egg or like a nod

[01:11:06] that we're like to another campaign that One Less Die has been running. And we got Tim Baker,

[01:11:14] I think is the guy's ghost name that we named him. So yeah. And yeah, I figure for

[01:11:22] Tim Baker like he probably- he may have gone back to Eberron or he might just be

[01:11:28] a dentist-

[01:11:29] Pallying around with Petonius at this point.

[01:11:32] Well no, he actually- he went back to Earth I think at the end of the campaign.

[01:11:35] Went back temporarily until Petonius went to pick him up.

[01:11:39] Yeah that's right. So Petonius- yeah so I'm kind of gonna leave it in the air of like

[01:11:42] he may have gone back to Eberron with Petonius or he might have just stayed in Cincinnati.

[01:11:47] So he may have like gotten- he may basically pulled a

[01:11:53] Mama Earth or a Granny Olsen where like he came to the Earth world and found a

[01:12:02] romantic partner who was a human and decided to just stick around.

[01:12:05] So Al Capone has a history in that area too so he may kind of-

[01:12:12] Ah so it'll feel just like home because the Eberron campaign- the Eberron setting has kind

[01:12:16] of like a noir-esque feel to it's to a Dungeon & Dragons fantasy so.

[01:12:22] But yeah so actually speaking of where certain characters ended up or potentials,

[01:12:31] I guess we could probably bring it put it in here now. Something I kind of feel bad with

[01:12:35] like I at the end of the epilogue last like when we when we did our last session and

[01:12:41] did the epilogue I feel like I may have like rushed through where Dorotea and Lars ended up.

[01:12:50] Like where do you guys see- so where do you guys see Lars and Dorotea and like what do they

[01:12:58] do after they've escaped the Misty Lands and all this has been put behind them and like even

[01:13:04] if you guys decide to take the deal from the the the wreaths of the the sword wreath society or not

[01:13:11] like where where do you guys see your characters ending up or doing what do you see them doing

[01:13:15] after all this this kerfuffle? Starting with Dave. Probably keeping the kerfuffle to a minimum

[01:13:22] at this point. You're just like I'm done yeah I wasn't even supposed to be there today.

[01:13:29] Yeah a little bit. So yeah just basically going back to life that way that it used to be just

[01:13:37] with a werewolf with benefits as well. Yeah and trying to incorporate him into normal life

[01:13:44] without exposing him as a werewolf. Well I mean that'd probably be pretty easy like I mean

[01:13:49] you basically- so he's basically you domesticated your your werewolf with benefits. I mean that's

[01:13:56] what women do generally to their men anyways they domesticate them so yes it's not uncommon. Fair.

[01:14:05] You guys probably just go on a lot of trips into the will into the to show him around and

[01:14:11] stuff like that probably? Oh probably and I'm sure that we'll be running into random

[01:14:16] weird shit out in the woods anyways because like that's how I got- yeah- I did this in

[01:14:20] the first place. That's true yeah and Dorotea does know that there's a there's a ghost town

[01:14:25] near in Newfoundland where we're a horrible fucking monster that makes you just

[01:14:31] makes you forget about it existed. Yeah I'm sure I'm sure there will be some-

[01:14:38] As much as she wants to retire it's probably not gonna happen.

[01:14:40] Yeah so here's a question I mean no no you know obviously like this isn't like

[01:14:45] super like serious around of that uh is there just gonna be is there gonna be a lineage

[01:14:49] of like half werepuppies or like half weremen or werewomen in in Newfoundland now?

[01:14:55] How does the half part work? I guess like wolves are not.

[01:15:00] I guess they're just shifters like they're just-

[01:15:02] Or is it like mermaid situation where they can only turn half their body into wolves?

[01:15:07] Basically I feel like it's um- I guess there's werewolves yeah is there-

[01:15:12] The apocalypse kind of covered this a little bit which they said that the child of a

[01:15:17] werewolf and a human has a chance of being a trueborn werewolf but it's less of a chance

[01:15:23] than if it's two werewolves. On the other hand though they kind of did a thing where

[01:15:29] words I have them um it's like yeah if two werewolves mate that always produces a werewolf

[01:15:36] but one that is always sterile and two it's always deformed in some way according to um

[01:15:43] white wolf publishing. I don't like that at all. I don't like that at all um I kind of like the

[01:15:48] idea that they can procreate normally is with the chance with a human. Yeah yeah it's like

[01:15:55] with the mules or yeah like I feel like just making it a pretty good chance it's like uh

[01:16:02] out of five kids there's one of them that's gonna have the gift. Yeah I kind of like that

[01:16:07] or maybe a little bit better yeah or or maybe it's even like um like when a werewolf and a pure

[01:16:14] blood or a pure strain human like uh have have a child that child has the chance of becoming

[01:16:20] like a wolf man like kind of like not isn't able to transform into a full wolf but changes

[01:16:25] into something in between like kind of like the wolf man from like the universal monsters.

[01:16:30] You can have some address and file universe kind of stuff where they're like

[01:16:33] or you know there's the berserker kind of like and throw and then well I do kind of implement

[01:16:38] that like there is that uh cult of warlocks that um from Germany that uh uh are werewolves

[01:16:45] for and that killed um Lars's family. Yeah like they're all of the above these are all

[01:16:52] that's true and happen yeah so so there is potential that like down the road there may be

[01:16:58] like um a uh a connings mark uh like family like a member of the connings mark family and like

[01:17:06] another maybe another time another place but they have roots in in Newfoundland and may be

[01:17:11] able to shift into a werewolf and move to New Jersey yeah or Boston. And then um Lars

[01:17:23] where I mean I remember giving uh I remember that uh Hugo did give you some funds that

[01:17:28] you were able to that you'd be able to like basically bump up your wealth uh status uh when

[01:17:33] you got back to the real to the to the to the mortal plane or the to earth so um yeah what

[01:17:39] what happens to Lars and Jaeger now that Jaeger is a uh mostly a human again. Well I go back

[01:17:46] to earth so I go back to Toronto yeah and I begin the long difficult task of trying to find

[01:17:52] another Norwegian elk hound. Yeah well there's not many of them. Well actually there might be a dog

[01:18:01] some people breeding them up in up in little Norway up in Muskoka.

[01:18:06] To Muskoka? Yeah and um would would um uh would Lars uh and I guess as a de facto Jaeger have uh

[01:18:15] have accepted the uh the circle the the um uh the circle of the sword wreath societies uh offer

[01:18:21] to like hey um if you help us with some certain things we can help you find who killed your

[01:18:26] parents and like deal with them and help you deal with them and stuff like that.

[01:18:29] And also we can help you find a Norwegian elk hound. Yeah we also we also like yeah that

[01:18:34] could be part of your uh your our deal as well. That's my signing bonus. Yeah that's the

[01:18:39] only reason he signed. Congratulations thank you for the signature and here's your puppy.

[01:18:45] Yep. This one's actually not my brother right? You double checked you made sure you double

[01:18:50] checked you triple checked. Yeah Josh also it's like it's like here here's a here's your um

[01:18:56] your uh your Norwegian elk hound it is um technically a cross breed with another

[01:19:01] this others uh this other breed called a grumble hound. Oh god. Uh that is a reference

[01:19:09] to the grumble hammer universe sorry. It was secretly born in Finland.

[01:19:15] It's secretly Finnish yes. Yeah secretly Finnish. Honestly I love that it's like oh how do we

[01:19:24] know it's Finnish? It's deadly. Yeah it's secretly it's secretly a Dane. How do you

[01:19:31] know that? It's a it's sweet like a pastry. Oh I still love like when I reference that

[01:19:37] it's like that's my secret. I'm always Swedish. I can't even I can't even like take the credit

[01:19:44] for that. I heard that on a uh so I have some friends on another pod from another podcast

[01:19:50] Drunk in the Ugly. Oh you're cheating on us? How dare. They're spin-off like a couple of them

[01:19:55] uh recorded games of it's not really a podcast it's just like they record a bunch of games

[01:20:00] and post it on like archive.org um they're technically called the wrong clocks and their

[01:20:05] GM Greg who's amazing at doing voices and improving that kind of stuff and and his he always

[01:20:11] comes up with the funniest things and so he had there was a game where he did where it was like

[01:20:17] they're at a they're at a convent like a comic convention and there's like a knockoff

[01:20:21] like a stall selling knockoff like bootleg dvds and like the Swedish Avengers and so like

[01:20:28] the Swedish Hulk is just like that's my secret I'm always I'm always Swedish.

[01:20:35] And like oh yeah so like that's where that came from that's how I where I've like pulled that

[01:20:40] from um yeah yeah yeah Greg is Greg was always an awesome at doing like voices and making

[01:20:50] making me laugh and enjoy like silly little like Monster and the Childish Things games

[01:20:54] that they ran but uh yeah so here's what I would be kind of be interested in Chris. I feel

[01:21:02] like if we talked about our favorite parts that we did that would just kind of uh take this just a

[01:21:09] hair I was wondering if maybe one line of discussion is because there's no way we can

[01:21:13] talk about everything. No I would I was thinking about maybe each one of us could talk about our

[01:21:19] favorite moment uh like just pick pick someone from the group and like this is my favorite

[01:21:25] moment I loved it when you know Dorotea did this and that and kind of things like that I

[01:21:29] don't know I mean I'm open to anything but I've just kind of brainstorming a different way to do it.

[01:21:35] Yeah okay like uh all of us kind of like like we go around the table and just like

[01:21:39] like what we enjoyed like from somebody in the game. Yeah now unless you had any other business

[01:21:44] you want to take care of personally. Honestly no um I think that's where this that's like

[01:21:49] that's good natural progression for this so um yeah I guess um yeah do you guys have any

[01:21:57] best moments with uh from from uh from some of your fellow players in the game?

[01:22:02] What's making the momentum to that too Chris? Yeah and we're going to talk about the

[01:22:07] we can talk about the favorite thing that GM through this kind of thing like that too so

[01:22:11] you definitely need some like you deserve a spot to shine as well sir. Okay um okay so yeah

[01:22:20] um I guess starting at the top of the list um uh yeah if you guys can think of something

[01:22:25] that was you guys really enjoyed about the game that somebody in the like from your fellow party

[01:22:30] members did during uh during this campaign starting with Adam. You know yeah I'm totally

[01:22:40] fine with that uh honestly there's everybody did so great don't get me wrong but I think

[01:22:47] I really want to talk about Josh my emotional support Canadian.

[01:22:54] Yeah what the fuck I don't know how we get in the game what the fuck is this

[01:23:00] it'll be okay. I don't know how we actually began this whole act of uh you know

[01:23:08] being at each other's throat which are not really I know specifically like you want me

[01:23:13] to say it. No I know it was the uh pacifist quarian uh uh vulture argument. Oh not even

[01:23:22] fully there Adam it goes into fucking real life. Josh has a book of uh of grievances

[01:23:34] I don't. It is rotundown. No I when Adam showed up I literally got insecure about it

[01:23:44] that's where that all started from. Dude I know I know trust me stupid but they happened.

[01:23:52] Oh good man I appreciate I'm impressed with the honesty and coming forward with that I

[01:23:57] it I thought it was a hope of our mass effect game but like nope nope I realized going

[01:24:05] going through the mass effect game just like oh this is getting too real like I gotta take

[01:24:10] a step back like I am really bringing my shit into this. Nope nope nope. Well I'm glad I'm

[01:24:18] glad you're here but I understand. I don't know either. Okay yeah it's something I'm

[01:24:25] telling you what happened I don't know the reason for it yeah fair fair yeah.

[01:24:29] Well Josh I'm glad that you uh you had enough um like fort oh like kind of um introspection

[01:24:35] to uh to realize that it was happening and like be able to tamper it down. Yep.

[01:24:41] Because I mean you were never I just started leaning towards being friends with Crick.

[01:24:45] Yeah because you were never in any like danger of being replaced or like

[01:24:50] for whatever reason I thought I was. I now I feel kind of bad because I know we did joke

[01:24:58] during during Crick's character creation that Crick was going to come in and like replace

[01:25:03] uh no no apparently I took the jokes to sell it on stage and those did not help. Yeah at no

[01:25:10] point were those done in in re in like we were secretly like trying to replace you no that

[01:25:14] was all done in jest like oh trust me I know we're getting the hard truce of our of our

[01:25:22] of our group friendships here. I did joke and say like what stats does Josh have? All right

[01:25:27] well I'm gonna do this but if he's doing fire I'm gonna do ice or something like that.

[01:25:31] Yeah just be I'll be your yeah just dicking around there but I mean I'm thinking about

[01:25:38] all the stuff that Josh went through like it's not just failure after failure because

[01:25:43] the dice did hate Josh and all that like it did what Josh sticks to his gun when he sets out in a

[01:25:50] scene come hell or high water like he is very go for a focus. I'm thinking of that one little

[01:25:57] interlude I don't think David could join us that was uh where we went to Canada the first time

[01:26:02] Oh you have to deal with the uh thing yeah the lady in the snow yeah that may have been the time

[01:26:09] I shot d'Ortega but uh only may have we don't know uh I can remember I'm sitting we're all

[01:26:16] sitting there fighting as they get died Josh is like no I'm doing this and like he like he was

[01:26:22] just always so go oriented in his play that I mean as soon as he set his mind to it he was

[01:26:28] going to row for it and everything else be damned and I thought that was so cool even though

[01:26:34] when I was wanting him to throw me a gun or something like hey like no I want to do this

[01:26:38] first but I mean I don't know what happened but fuck like he had Jaeger like and he jokingly

[01:26:52] let us go ahead and steal Jaeger for all this um Jaeger became a great part of it I always just

[01:26:59] felt like stealing your brother actually in hindsight that makes it better actually makes

[01:27:07] it more okay doesn't I guess yes and okay he's kind of choosing to come with us or at least

[01:27:16] he's not fighting it all that much it's like cousins this is the person who knows

[01:27:24] not a dog who's just like oh I I friendly people

[01:27:29] and Josh's hatred of werewolves could have really manifested itself in an ugly way when

[01:27:35] my character's uh wife I guess you could say now and uh child entered the picture

[01:27:42] I was kind of nervous about that I have a fear with werewolves yeah no I did like

[01:27:50] all right I really love the fact that he stuck to the every time that we interacted with the

[01:27:55] tribe of werewolves he uh or Josh just kind of goes nope keep it to myself fucking hate

[01:28:02] werewolves I'm like yeah cool I I just wish you would you'd uh vote yeah voice that a little

[01:28:07] bit more outside of your character so we could know because unfortunately it kind you did it

[01:28:12] too well where like we just thought that you were not engaging it was out of character

[01:28:18] less than one of us it kind of started out of character of like all right this is your

[01:28:25] guy scene so I'm just kind of staying back and it's like actually this is how this would

[01:28:28] work out anyway yeah it's either I'd be outright hostile or in very inward and quiet

[01:28:36] I was already leaning towards him or quite so I just continued with that

[01:28:39] gotcha I am curious if um when uh when uh Lars found out that like oh there are different types

[01:28:48] of werewolves and my parents were killed by the hexan by these by these warlocks that can

[01:28:53] turn into wolves if maybe your like perception his perception might have changed toward like

[01:29:01] uh Johan's kin and such in all fairness that distinction was actually never made just like

[01:29:06] yeah I know you throw out the term hexan wolf that doesn't mean anything to me

[01:29:12] that's true yeah I was never explained to be different and to be fair like I didn't really

[01:29:18] have a way of introducing it until like the very end when like the sword brief society shows

[01:29:23] up and mentions it so yeah like in game like I really couldn't I could have maybe

[01:29:29] gone in and like developed that a little bit more corner it's fine but I mean look at this

[01:29:34] guy it's like he was he was following along he was engaged in this the whole time and just he

[01:29:40] patiently waits for his scene I wish he would advocate a little bit more for himself don't

[01:29:45] get me wrong on that but like it but I didn't have a lot of scenes that I wanted in that

[01:29:50] that's why but then you had these ones like where you got to spend your your brother's

[01:29:55] money and stuff like it and you just like eat the scenery up there

[01:30:00] and I think it's on it I met your baby mama she wanted me to give you a message

[01:30:05] yeah that was good it was like oh okay that was a long time coming too I think I spent that at

[01:30:10] the at the point yep yeah I was like what episode session two you waited so long for

[01:30:19] and you remembered the point where I as a GM was blindsided as much as Hugo

[01:30:27] because like Hugo like I the way I had set it up was like Hugo's gonna like

[01:30:30] ah brother there's a bunch of stuff on my tab here that my butlers told me but and then

[01:30:35] you just like socked him as like that was about your baby mama's like and out of game I was

[01:30:38] like right because I remember interrupting like your baby your baby mom gave me a message

[01:30:44] you're just going what and I smacked hard that was about as in game in character and out of

[01:30:52] character for me as well you're amazing like Ned Ned Ryerson yeah uh nice yeah but yeah Josh

[01:31:06] like I can't I look forward I know we're getting ready to play another game and I

[01:31:10] I'm looking forward to it man I've got to see don't worry we'll hate each other not one

[01:31:13] two also Josh just FY Chris never told you this probably I told him in the beginning I

[01:31:19] wanted to be your friend when I was when we were like I'm hello it's gonna be my best

[01:31:23] friend by the end of this yeah well it didn't happen but we tried yeah which that was my

[01:31:28] go for very you try I'm sorry I thought good but yeah Joe like I thought it was great and

[01:31:38] I like the strong silent type that you played all right strong is a strong word for what Hilo

[01:31:47] not Hilo for what Lars was you don't say it because you were playing it everybody else here

[01:31:54] will agree with me all right uh Dave um honestly I think I like all the things that you threw at

[01:32:05] the twists that I didn't see coming like for example Jaeger um

[01:32:10] in all honesty neither did I until like that session really I bet I kept that um basically

[01:32:18] like purposefully ambiguous like I was still humming and hawing what what the fuck was up

[01:32:24] with with Jaeger um basically when we started like kind of like developing Jaeger as like

[01:32:29] this dog is way smarter than your average dog yeah but I thought it was just because like you

[01:32:33] know he's a dog in our D&D games and like they're always smarter than your average dog

[01:32:38] yeah yeah and honestly I was like humming what if he was like Scooby-Doo or like what if he

[01:32:43] was actually like Lars's brothers or that that would be really fun and I was like humming

[01:32:48] and hawing for a couple sessions up to leading up to that and then it wasn't until

[01:32:51] like the last session that I decided like you know what fuck it he is in fact Lars's brother

[01:32:57] yeah they were and it's like fuck it they were triplets not twins just continue adding on to

[01:33:03] like different takes of like you have a twin brother or somebody who looks exactly like you

[01:33:09] yeah because the whole time we were like okay we all had a sibling taken from us yeah so that

[01:33:16] is what we all knew and we I don't think any of us thought about what if there was two taken

[01:33:23] yeah no I neither did I until until that moment I was like you know what there's nothing wrong

[01:33:26] with that and like I'm just gonna throw that into the game as again that's what I love about

[01:33:31] tabletop games is like that natural kind of like development stuff like the sort of a yes

[01:33:37] and sort of improv-y material that you can get yeah and also like session to session

[01:33:45] it like the tone changes a lot like in a good way because session one like we were all kind

[01:33:51] of very confused but like what the hell's going on like we know it's a dream but it's all weird and

[01:33:56] it wasn't really hazardous it was just kind of you know we're getting our feet wet and then

[01:34:01] this year 1313 happened and that shit happened immediately yeah and then it cooled down a

[01:34:07] little bit after that and then it got worse so then it cooled down so like

[01:34:12] of tension throughout the entire campaign well and yeah I know that I'm like thinking

[01:34:17] about that that's actually and that was probably to its benefit really because like you guys you

[01:34:22] need that in a game like if you want to you don't want to just like you don't want it to be

[01:34:26] like super dour I mean I know Delta Green can do that sometimes with campaigns but like

[01:34:32] we're just basically just just grinding your agents to dust from horror after horror sanity

[01:34:38] loss after sanity loss I like I think I think there is some staying power when you have like

[01:34:43] a roller coaster ride of like all right here's the darker here's the dark session here's the

[01:34:47] light session here's the dark session here's the light session here's a great one yeah yeah

[01:34:52] we're like it's like here's three dark sessions where you guys were trapped in a fucking haunted

[01:34:57] house and dealing with a bunch of horror like a bunch of like creepy like like dungeon

[01:35:02] crawled or dungeon delve upward into this spooky house and then here's this like mildly

[01:35:08] lighter episode so do you plan that on purpose or does it just kind of go with that way it honestly

[01:35:14] just kind of evolves as it goes I don't I don't fully plan it that way um I think it's just how

[01:35:21] like I I just how I kind of like go along with the game and like kind of go with the

[01:35:25] flow of the the scenes yeah um because yeah I certainly don't consciously plan it that way I

[01:35:32] usually try to plan it like like add some some cool ideas down on my notes and like

[01:35:37] I'm using the the for some of the locations I'm using like the stuff that's in the book so it's

[01:35:42] like the game usually has like a lot of like a horror bend to it a little bit more serious

[01:35:47] spookiness to it but I think just between like that and like the the players like how you guys

[01:35:53] like react and like act in the game that sort of just like ebbs and flows the uh the mood

[01:35:58] or the atmosphere yeah for sure to be fair um I I hate to jump in but I'm gonna have

[01:36:05] to leave here in a minute um but I wanted to say that first of all I loved the character

[01:36:12] development that we saw for everybody along the way like everybody's characters got realized

[01:36:17] from more than just a sheet of paper to start to that I'm gonna miss the group so much

[01:36:25] but for sheer moments I have to ask was the weakness of Bobbilus Yaga planned beforehand

[01:36:35] or was that a off-the-cuff Chris moment um I knew that I was probably going to I mean witches

[01:36:42] and like and certain fake creatures do have issues with like being insulted and stuff

[01:36:47] um so that was kind of planned it wasn't in the book that was something I added but I kind

[01:36:52] of had a forethought of like that's how you guys were gonna be able to like use against her kind

[01:36:56] of thing and then you just kept doing it and kept succeeding like miraculously even though I had

[01:37:03] like she had like nine or 12 fucking dice I was rolling and I'm still rolling this shit

[01:37:09] to try and like out beat you I spent a lot of time just writing down insults to throw

[01:37:16] and yeah because of the fact that her name sounds so close to a brand of bubble gum

[01:37:22] bubbleicious yeah uh there were so many brands of gum that were just thrown in there yeah to be

[01:37:29] fair like I think this is the first I don't think you've like this is the first time I'm

[01:37:33] hearing you here you actually call her by her actual name I remember in the morning now

[01:37:40] during the sessions you know once I think referred to her as her the name I gave her

[01:37:45] in the game and there was a reason for that I figured that she was scrying the whole time

[01:37:52] and yeah it was an in-character thing and I should have made that a little bit clearer but

[01:37:57] yeah um it also turned into a fun little running joke like the reason why Sorin and you know me

[01:38:03] by extension never called her by name is because I assumed after the incident with the spirit board

[01:38:10] that she was just watching the entire time and I thought if I can just keep insulting her

[01:38:17] stealthily now she's just going to get madder and madder and madder and madder

[01:38:21] yeah and then all of the insults are just going to come or just culminate when we see her

[01:38:28] but I wasn't certain of that so I thought that I would just not say it aloud

[01:38:36] yeah just in case that it wasn't the case yeah yeah also the amount of planning you did

[01:38:43] that's awesome just like the amount of homework you did for this like coming up with insults and

[01:38:49] doing all the back and forth setup for the entire system like for the entire world where

[01:38:55] you Adam and Chris set all this up and then setting up your twist ending with Chris

[01:39:02] it's all really awesome what I do love is that twist ending like that turnaround for that was

[01:39:09] like the night before that session we started that session of course yeah like I had a vague

[01:39:15] inkling that it's like I'm gonna have to do something there's gonna have to be a reveal

[01:39:18] I agonized over that for a week and a half yeah and then when I finally figured it out it

[01:39:23] was the night before but I will point out it is the upside of being disabled like I have

[01:39:32] nothing but time and so I use that time to do my homework and I use that time for productivity

[01:39:43] for things like oh I've got this lovely scheme I'm gonna see if I can make it work I have this

[01:39:50] character idea and then I take the time to just write it out and flesh it out while I'm

[01:39:55] in between things so that that's why the homework I had the luxury of time and I used

[01:40:02] it for this because what else am I going to use it on and but at the other hand

[01:40:09] this was worth the time I feel like it made Soren a slightly more fun character for me but

[01:40:16] I hope he made it better for everybody listening for sure yeah I think it was definitely I'm glad

[01:40:23] that we were able I was like both the dice and like I was able to give you those opportunities

[01:40:28] to like implement the your hard research schemes so yeah to be fair some of them I just kind of

[01:40:39] pulled out of nowhere like the well I'm gonna have to throw some fire underneath quick grab

[01:40:45] the edges of your cloak what yeah that was over man like yeah I think that was like my

[01:40:53] favorite like scenes because of how like there was like a lot of like buildup of like things

[01:40:59] got more and more dire but that that one encounter with the rock and and David or and

[01:41:06] Dave just like not like like his dice just hating him one last one final like dire tie

[01:41:12] and and then like you guys just like oh shit like we we're gonna lose Dorotea here

[01:41:18] you know what was going through my mind when I was being carried away I'm like

[01:41:21] this is fine he'll set me down and I'll just fight him then all of a sudden a gunshot rings out

[01:41:28] and I'm falling I'm like oh now what and then it was like but then we're like wait Dorotea

[01:41:37] took off that that all that heavy metal like armor and put on like a cloak like a winter

[01:41:43] cloak that's billowy oh god we can legend of zelda this like all the dire and then even like

[01:41:51] you guys like like petonius is like what oh yes and like actually give involving petonius like

[01:41:56] like because I didn't want him to like be like uh he's supposed to be just be like kind of

[01:42:01] a conveyance and also just like a fun little like character to have on the side I didn't

[01:42:05] want him like taking up too much like spotlight but that was such a good moment

[01:42:08] of implementing his like abilities yeah and like having this dire moment where he has to concentrate

[01:42:14] and then just like I had him just like he concentrated too hard and basically uh

[01:42:18] um melted back into a pile of worms yeah and then revealing what he actually was which is

[01:42:25] like a nice that also like helped that was like you guys got the reveal of what was behind

[01:42:29] his like plague doctor mask and stuff like that yeah it was cool to get the reveal in a

[01:42:34] way I kind of wish I splatted just because like okay in this game I if I hit the ground

[01:42:39] I wouldn't have necessarily just died I would have done a rule you would have hit and you

[01:42:43] would have hit the river potentially got a disfiguring injury but I could have been fine

[01:42:48] you could have been fine but you would have also been washed this would the ending would

[01:42:51] have been a little bit different because then we would have had you guys like traversing back

[01:42:55] down into the ravine trying to find your body yeah as it was going downstream to another

[01:43:01] location and then I probably would have pulled from that location because uh I think the river

[01:43:05] goes to a another area of of Ravenloft yeah it would have been interesting regardless

[01:43:11] of what happened and I would have floundered up in um I actually I think that that would have been

[01:43:16] um uh panthers no no no no it's still in Barovia I mean it wouldn't I don't think

[01:43:23] it would have gone into the mists yeah I think it would have gone somewhere maybe near

[01:43:26] yesterhill or where the wine of the the which wizards of the wine uh like vineyard or vineyard

[01:43:33] um but yeah it would have taken you like somewhere else in Barovia that's another thing

[01:43:37] like we didn't really um like you guys went to the village of Barovia you went through the

[01:43:42] forest and some of that and like the ruins of like the certain certain gates that go that

[01:43:47] like kind of cordon off certain areas of of the of the valley of Barovia you went to the

[01:43:53] bone grinder and then you went to Vallaki and Lake uh Zerovich and Berez but like there was a whole

[01:44:00] other half of the valleys that you guys never went to because we had a uh we had a plot that

[01:44:07] was like taking kind of navigating you guys to a certain location to some certain locations so

[01:44:11] yeah like there's there's at least like two or three other locations I think a whole like

[01:44:16] town or two of with with their own like things and some of that going on that you guys

[01:44:21] could have like you know what let's uh we can we can spare some days our cousins aren't going

[01:44:25] our twins aren't going anywhere uh let's go check out like this other town but yeah you

[01:44:31] guys didn't and you guys just stayed of course so I like how again like it's one of things

[01:44:35] I like about tabletop games is like the players like kind of through the players like uh choices

[01:44:40] and like what the plot is sort of dictates or like or like for your goals and stuff like that

[01:44:44] like it decides where you guys are gonna go or like it's sort of like it's sort of like

[01:44:50] you traverse where you need to go and like even though there are other options and such

[01:44:54] yeah but honestly the whole plot seemed kind of like time sensitive the whole time I was getting

[01:45:03] yeah we had the option for a beach up sound yeah well it was it was kind of getting like

[01:45:09] like a little bit more dire like they were like I kind of had it that once the night hags had

[01:45:14] been like pushed back by Baba Las Yaga they were like they've been stuck up on that mountain

[01:45:19] in the amber temple basically trying to convince this senile old lich that like like tell us your

[01:45:26] secrets it's like I'd love to but I don't remember them all fully like I think it's

[01:45:30] like this but I got memories stuck in my uh the memories are foggy it's like god damn it

[01:45:37] so they've been just like I had two spells and I used both of them really well yes yeah so

[01:45:45] yeah like there it definitely as you guys were ascending the mountain it was sort of

[01:45:48] like things were starting to get more and more dire because the those hags were starting to

[01:45:53] actually implement like magical rites to try and like bring this thing's memory back so

[01:45:58] um to do the proper like to resurrect Strahd a la like uh Castlevania

[01:46:05] but um but yeah that's enough of a tangent for me someone else take a tangent Josh ah

[01:46:12] who I guess I'm the only one left yeah David did you say you had to go soon?

[01:46:17] I do. Do you want to go next then? Oh yeah well I kind of feel like I jumped in on that one

[01:46:25] honestly I also loved like I've got a moment for everybody like the peach of the shot

[01:46:32] right at the rock but also one shotting the uh I have no idea who or what he was but the guy

[01:46:39] in the the room it's like okay I'm gonna circle around to the other side I'm going to deal with

[01:46:43] the hags you deal with the elf what's what's awesome about that so that dusk elf um I can't

[01:46:49] remember his name it's like Rahadin is the uh the loyal servant like manservant of Strahd who

[01:46:57] in my interpretation survived the death of Strahd and had formed this cult with the Strigoi

[01:47:03] and the night hags and stuff to try and basically who was left who worshiped Strahd

[01:47:09] and to try and bring him back and so this it is like he wasn't even really a boss and he

[01:47:15] was that he was technically a human with some bossing abilities um like stat wise but he was

[01:47:20] just up there on the in the amber temple trying to coerce this stupid uh senile lich

[01:47:27] and he was the mastermind of this whole cult and you guys just sniped him in one shot

[01:47:31] yeah just sniped him in one shot just yeah all right so these are all of my addition or these are

[01:47:37] all of my uh abilities I'm gonna use these to get more dice cheesecake cheesecake cheesecake

[01:47:42] and the dice landed on cheesecake yeah it kind of felt like that's the scene from um uh

[01:47:49] dawn of the uh from death till dawn where like they all just get guns and just like start

[01:47:54] gunning down the vampires in the in the in the in the twisted titty bar

[01:47:58] yes like it just that's that that whole like ending scene like kind of went from like horror

[01:48:04] to just like all right you're just a bunch of vampire hunters with with guns and weapons

[01:48:09] and just like mowing down vampires it was the blood raven blade

[01:48:16] it it was glorious it was silly and it was over the top and it was beautiful yeah um

[01:48:23] I I want to give credit to the the moment of we it was forecast but it didn't actually happen

[01:48:29] the way we had wanted it to because rock but um the fact that Dorotea had been wearing the

[01:48:37] heavy armor the entire campaign and the joke was that once torrentia took the armor off

[01:48:43] it was going to be Dorotea is suddenly moving like freaking rock Lee from Naruto it's like

[01:48:47] oh drop your leg weights as soon as I do that I get scooped up yeah and I I know that it's

[01:48:58] it it's a me thing I I love that the effort in the duplicitousness paid off so much with

[01:49:05] the I lived for the weekly you motherfucker every single week and um and I have to laugh that

[01:49:21] the previous time around Strahd got taken down by bards because somebody made an offhand comment

[01:49:28] and Chris said no that's canon now it was a group of guards it was a band of parts that

[01:49:32] did this it was always supposed to be that like oh like if that that was the previous cycle

[01:49:37] it happened a while ago like I never wanted to like initially I never wanted it to be like

[01:49:43] like I just wanted to be a like nondescript D&D party um that that end up killing straw like

[01:49:49] they always do right and then and then give them an identity that is very David it was like yes

[01:49:57] that's that makes me love it so much is that bards are one of the most shot upon classes within

[01:50:04] dungeons and dragons people just kind of go oh you're playing a bard well I guess you don't

[01:50:08] really want to play now do you bards are only really good for one thing and it's like yeah

[01:50:14] they're one of the most versatile supporting classes they're one of my favorites for a

[01:50:19] reason because a bard can do a little bit of everything they may not be the best at all of

[01:50:24] the things but they can do a little bit of everything well enough and I love them and just

[01:50:30] the idea that a group of bards yeah took down strad it's it's on the one hand insulting as hell

[01:50:39] but it's also awesome because you know how many groups that had the proper makeup have failed

[01:50:45] to take down strad like back in the feco days I know I'm putting in my reminiscent teeth

[01:50:51] and just being the old man but back in the second edition feco days if you made it

[01:51:01] to castle strad that was an achievement and to be killed by strad was the norm most parties did

[01:51:11] not make it to strad because this scenario is one of the most lethal lethal scenarios in dnd

[01:51:19] history and the idea that it strad was killed off screen by a group of fucking bards yeah it's

[01:51:28] also just kind of like his hubris because yeah because you know why though because like when

[01:51:35] you go at him with a balanced dnd party party he can be like okay that wizard go up there

[01:51:42] and stab him that warrior shoot him with arrows but it's a bunch of bards who could do

[01:51:47] everything it's like oh I don't know they can do anything kind of well hit that one over there

[01:51:55] we're all gonna play the healing song and patch him up yeah it's also a legendary tale of hubris

[01:52:01] because um for people in the know drod is usually the one who orchestrates the dnd party

[01:52:08] going to his realm like anytime you get your character get is invited or the or you travel

[01:52:14] through the mists or like you get an invite at a tavern to go to this place it's usually under

[01:52:20] the the puppeteering of strad himself because he's fucking bored oh wow he can't leave his he

[01:52:27] can't leave raven he can't leave the mists but he can drag people into the mists like

[01:52:32] through various like servitors and machinations so the fact that he was like oh I'm bored this

[01:52:40] this cycle I wish to have a troubadour a troupe to call a group of musicians they amuse me

[01:52:47] yeah exactly you know it's like just oh hello hello mr strad is this your ass

[01:52:56] we're handing it to you how did you get that I think my pants are really tight

[01:53:02] I think the I think the inciting incident that was that davis played it several times

[01:53:09] and I think we're like what you play I always played a bard well it's all davis characters

[01:53:16] it's bars all the way down yeah no I just love this like yeah it's it's this troupe of

[01:53:22] like purple inclined bards maybe the mauve hand like just the the troupe is called the

[01:53:28] mauve hand or something and they just they just went to town or they're all named differently

[01:53:33] they're all like the mauve hand the lavender foot the the fuchsia head like like they're all

[01:53:43] let's see it would be the mauve hand the fuchsia foot the puce ped

[01:53:51] and then yeah also one thing I did like is that also kind of captured this this hubris

[01:53:56] this personality of strad of like oh yes let's I'm bored let's get this like ah fuck uh shit

[01:54:01] was uh when we were you when I was reading out the um the letter that strad left for

[01:54:07] the people that owned the the durst house and I had like had some like hiccups when I was

[01:54:13] reading it and I was like hang on it's like and adam's like no no go like that go roll

[01:54:17] with it roll with it that's that's what he like and I just envisioned like his the person

[01:54:22] that's like dictating this this message is like no why are you writing that like scratch that out

[01:54:26] no what are you doing just keeping the dictation just as is that's beautiful yeah I just love that

[01:54:34] malicious compliance of the scribe going exactly as written huh yeah exactly exactly as dictated

[01:54:41] no scratch that out the sad thing is why are you writing that down why are you writing that

[01:54:48] yeah exactly yeah and the only sad thing is like you know that scribe was now

[01:54:52] it was then impaled on a pike outside of castle strad for sure that would imply that

[01:54:57] strad read the letter after he finished it that's true yeah that that's fair

[01:55:05] uh but yeah not as far as the big e at the front that somehow consists of a guy naked in

[01:55:11] a boat with a duck I don't know classic classic classic liturgical scribes it's like we're gonna

[01:55:18] start this with a stylized oh what do you want me to make it out of I'll use your imagination

[01:55:24] all right blank slate here we go my graphic design degree finally gets the payoff

[01:55:31] but yeah uh yeah no I loved that part of it just like yeah straw the last strad was uh

[01:55:36] the last iteration of strawed was was felled by by bards because he made poor choices

[01:55:43] from his boredom he underestimated them that was his first and last mistake yeah

[01:55:51] I kind of want to play the oops all bards campaign I honestly I was thinking about

[01:55:55] it's like oh we can just run that in dnd fifth edition I was like no fuck that

[01:55:58] fate accelerated make it way just have it be like super like rules light and easy to uh

[01:56:05] and like pulpy as hell like and and just don't push like super on the um like basically it

[01:56:12] was like wacky shenanigans dnd oh yeah but listen guys I gotta go I've got um I've got some

[01:56:21] company here oh okay um much love to everyone much love for this campaign everything was

[01:56:29] fucking awesome all the way down yeah thank you it was great to have you in the campaign

[01:56:34] like it was always a pleasure yeah love to have you David and I am eagerly looking forward to the

[01:56:40] next one the I don't know if we're gonna plug it here yet or not but um dresden files the uh

[01:56:48] fate accelerated is going to be lit I am so so looking forward to it yes

[01:56:57] all right well have a good one David

[01:56:59] um

[01:57:05] all right um so I guess yeah Josh um I guess that would leave you for uh

[01:57:13] your uh favorite uh bit from uh another player yeah all right David's a long con there

[01:57:22] oh yeah and he knew it so I'm okay with it yeah we did bring it up earlier yeah

[01:57:28] or he was constantly brought up just like you motherfucker you clever motherfucker I'm just

[01:57:34] gonna I'm just gonna take a compilation of all the times you've said you motherfucker in this

[01:57:38] this recording alone and just send it to him hopefully how many times you said that

[01:57:44] throughout the entire campaign that that would take too long probably a few dozen yeah it's

[01:57:48] in double digits for sure oh absolutely you know let's face it

[01:57:53] motherfuckers towards David all right we might be approaching a dozen motherfuckers in general

[01:57:58] yeah easily over 20 I swear a lot specifically with those words yeah it's it's like watching a

[01:58:07] master like when David's doing this stuff like I just sit like it is it is I am so fucking jealous

[01:58:15] of the fucking long column there yeah but now we know how to do it ourselves so I know in theory

[01:58:27] any of us have the ability to do it at the level he did for sure yeah I just like awesome

[01:58:33] again I just loved it when it was like the night before is like all right so what do you

[01:58:36] have planned for the uh the opening say well here um I plan this and then uh if you just

[01:58:41] want to like put this like say this at a certain time that'll that'll uh have me then like do my

[01:58:47] reveal I was like okay all right and I even asked him like do you want to narrate how visceral

[01:58:53] it is like no surprise me I was like so all right and that so that was why I like I

[01:58:58] narrated this horrible graphic scene as he just like rips off his own face

[01:59:03] like that part was that was actually something he wrote was like as he as as uh Sorin rips

[01:59:09] off his own face with these clots with his clawed hand and just like revealing the uh the the fe

[01:59:17] creature behind it yeah I'm not gonna lie Dorothee was like half ready to just draw the sword

[01:59:25] yeah I also it was funny it was like I I loved it it was like all right we're going

[01:59:32] um rallying the crew don't worry uh citizens everything is fine we'll have peace for at

[01:59:37] least another uh for for we'll have peace for years to come

[01:59:46] he's like peace for you to come there's just one thing I need to do before we before we finish off

[01:59:52] the night rip off my own face and really just it's an interesting uh punctuation mark on the

[01:59:59] end of his uh yeah well and then I'm just like sitting there like thinking about it

[02:00:04] is like all right David you need to roll one hell of a of a of a leadership or like inspiration role

[02:00:11] because you just did that in front of an entire crowd entire town of people who had just gotten

[02:00:20] over their bigotry towards Vosin yeah and creatures of the uh not inhuman creatures

[02:00:28] and then you can just do that and everyone's like okay that's fine yeah I definitely chalked

[02:00:32] it up just like he definitely used some uh some fey uh uh spell work to like try and uh try and

[02:00:40] uh like numb the crowd there and then you guys just all had to roll fear checks yeah

[02:00:50] he's sort of describing him ripping his face off I had the fear dice in my hand nice

[02:00:57] should have had your lars yell I fucking knew it yeah yeah just just have you like like what

[02:01:05] Dorothee did or what David or what Dave did with like moving away from his cameras like that's it

[02:01:09] I'm done yeah or just like I just had you like on the other side of the room near your where

[02:01:14] your microphone is like I fucking knew it yeah that was yeah yeah and for whatever reason this

[02:01:25] line sticks with me from Adam it's like from session zero like session one when we introduced

[02:01:31] the Hager and fucking Adam just chants in oh it's me and I've been meaning to head up to Westminster

[02:01:40] uh that's a corgi joke right well it's just like an obscure like dog breed kind of like

[02:01:47] it's a very it's a very obscure dog breed that you'd expect to see in a dog show

[02:01:52] yeah oh look it's a Scottish Greyhound what the fuck am I gonna see that

[02:02:00] Norwegian Elkhead take a trip to the Westminster god fucking damn it he's yeah

[02:02:07] yeah it's surprising all the time I'm sorry Adam that was probably the cleverest line you

[02:02:11] had the entire campaign I'm glad to help man I just if you throw darts at it enough you'll

[02:02:18] hit a bullseye every once in a while pretty much yeah that's it hey that's what I do I throw a

[02:02:24] plate of spaghetti against them all stupid sticks yeah uh yeah we didn't even talk about Dave like

[02:02:32] Dave's bastard on Dave oh my god Dave is hung in there like a damn champ I'm used to it by

[02:02:41] this point that's the thing this is the norm for me you guys are used to succeeding I'm used

[02:02:47] to failure this is fine I'm right there with you Dave I don't mean this in insult but it's so

[02:02:53] fucking true like I well the thing was like our the first like the first real campaign we

[02:02:59] played Esoterica um Esoterica I literally I was in that world okay yeah no there's that

[02:03:06] that one you weren't too bad although I do never hit anything no that's true I remember

[02:03:11] that well that became the the joke and for some reason I thought like with Esoterica because

[02:03:16] Esoterica was so prominent over for me over Dat World and stuff I thought that it was maybe

[02:03:21] his roles are because he's uh his his stats are sort of like understated because he's

[02:03:26] playing a child so like maybe that's why it's not doing he's not doing as well with his

[02:03:31] roles like maybe I'm running this game too like too difficult for them and then we kept

[02:03:38] playing games and playing campaigns like no your dice just fucking hate you maybe just I always

[02:03:44] don't understand the rules that I'm not using enough modifiers or just my dice hate me or both

[02:03:49] it's oh great yeah I got the guy whose dice hate him to make me dice yeah you're welcome

[02:03:55] that's true but like it's also no wonder if my dice are fucking cursed yeah also it's not just

[02:04:01] your dice it's whenever you you you always make these characters that have bows and they're

[02:04:06] always they always fail at bows Dorte doesn't have a bow Dorte was the was the outlier but

[02:04:12] like look I'm looking at it's like uh Hanzo Hanzo was terrible at using bows uh Hayden was

[02:04:19] terrible at using bows Huey didn't even get a chance to use his bow because he had to assemble

[02:04:25] it first before the end of the year I like archery I know I want to make a cool archer I just can't do

[02:04:32] it so I've given up yeah it doesn't happen okay so I thought awesome yeah yeah but I thought

[02:04:38] that was also like the reason why your dice hated you was it didn't want you to play

[02:04:42] do archery but no apparently your dice just hate you yeah oh my god I don't know because

[02:04:47] again it's specific if I'm trying to hit something with a bow it ain't gonna work

[02:04:51] if I'm playing Shadowrun and I'm Huey and I need to punch a dude or like light a dude up

[02:04:56] with my little submachine gun it works fine but yeah it's very situational yeah also to be fair

[02:05:02] you were also taking some penalties in this one because you kept you you donned that armor

[02:05:06] very early on and it was hampering you it doesn't though it only no hinders me on my

[02:05:14] giving me a second to load the sheet up only my agility score oh okay that's the only thing it

[02:05:20] it messes me up on that's it I don't have to say that man I've been trying to like help like

[02:05:26] explain it and oh I know getting me down so oh I know basically the armor didn't really help

[02:05:33] at all I would have been better going in there naked well it's like yeah I've I got

[02:05:39] hit a little bit more from having worse agility but even when I did get hit like me doing my plus

[02:05:48] what was it plus four or something I had with my armor and my shield yeah I didn't get hits on

[02:05:53] that shit yeah yeah I were you were you were rolling uh to like gobble up like dice and

[02:06:03] some of that right like defending against it the whole time and I just couldn't get sick

[02:06:09] Dave what oh no no I do like I do genuinely like honestly every time you would like

[02:06:19] panically like I forgot pushing a roll and just like I would honestly feel just as bad as you

[02:06:26] were sounding I was like no Dave yeah like not not like day like like not like oh god damn it

[02:06:34] Dave it was more like oh no yeah like I was I was just as like sad for you I was sad for you

[02:06:44] about it some of the times when I remember too I was one hit from death so I couldn't do it

[02:06:49] anyway because I would just knock myself out yeah that's true yeah because once you yeah

[02:06:54] yeah I will say with pushing the rolls I honestly didn't know if you were fucking

[02:06:59] with us or not and forgetting no no we just come off of because we had just come off of wolf pack

[02:07:07] season two where you had the what custom feat of always failing oh yeah you had the himbo

[02:07:13] feat which yeah you can never do uh sense motives sense motives yes no they're always one

[02:07:20] dumb that's the thing you have to understand Dave's an actual himbo is the problem yeah that's

[02:07:27] the real problem yeah um but I'll see like this it was the same kind of thing that would happen

[02:07:32] when uh when you would forget that in our Eberron campaign that you had rob the dog

[02:07:38] the robot yeah my entire reason I took my clot my specific classes so I would have a companion

[02:07:44] dog robot man um and yeah for the first like handful of episodes we would go get through entire

[02:07:51] encounters I'd be like I forgot I have a dog hole the whole time yeah and I remember there's

[02:07:57] it was the same kind of like your reaction is like no I forgot he was like almost like

[02:08:02] sir cry or like I did I collapsed on the couch one time yeah right yeah I collapsed specifically

[02:08:09] onto Rob's character sheet fake crying into it because I forgot him in the entire rack yeah

[02:08:15] this is so much better than I know what Chris's place actually looks like yeah so you would have

[02:08:19] had to got gone up from the table oh no no no this was down in the basement so like okay

[02:08:26] that's okay they're using the couches down there for like oh we had a table yeah yeah yeah

[02:08:30] no he didn't just like walk walk over from the couches to back to the table and just like sit

[02:08:35] down it's just a funny little edge of here upstairs Dave getting up walking around the

[02:08:41] couch in the chair to collapse into the couch yes okay I think I think we're getting a little

[02:08:46] too off task here on this now what are we talking about um uh postmortem for Vos and loft oh yeah

[02:08:51] right um I don't know what else to say I mean does everybody get a chance to go over their

[02:08:57] favorite moment yep I I think so I mean honestly like for me um you guys all like like all just

[02:09:04] like like experiencing like you your characters developing over the course of the game like

[02:09:10] Adam and his uh his wolfu and cub um Dorotea and and your werewolf with benefits but also the uh

[02:09:22] the rock incident is like the best because you took off that fucking armor and then immediately

[02:09:26] got snatched yeah there was one several times when I thought that I was actually going to die

[02:09:33] yeah one of the other times is when I I don't remember I think it was TNT I had

[02:09:38] and like I jumped onto like some yes the false hydra the false yeah and I wrote it all the way

[02:09:43] back I was gonna be like okay this is how I die I'm fine with dying this spectacularly

[02:09:48] and then I survived that whole movie where he rides the nuke down yeah basically he did that

[02:09:53] he basically yeah yeah uh that was also I really liked the false hydra scenario um like how

[02:09:59] it played out and I've I've it's sort of like always it's always a learning like uh

[02:10:04] situation like because I come back I come out of a session or out of a game I was like all

[02:10:08] right this is the stuff I did poorly how can I make this better the next time I try to run

[02:10:12] this for another group of people because like that's kind of it happened with like when I ran

[02:10:16] the false hydra stuff in our um in our eberron game and then I threw it back at you and you

[02:10:21] forgot about that you didn't realize it was a false hydra again and and I was running into

[02:10:28] Boston I did I played it a little bit better as the false hydra but I again there were some

[02:10:33] things in that game like that you guys pointed out I was like oh yeah this should definitely be

[02:10:38] a little bit closer to the town rather than like like so far away from the town

[02:10:44] like where it was and such so um yeah I like that part like that's the thing those are the

[02:10:50] things I really enjoy in the game is like the learning experiences of like how I can do

[02:10:53] something better and also just some of the shenanigans that you guys pull off and or

[02:10:58] or and like things that happen to your characters over the course of a game and like how they

[02:11:03] how you interact with like certain uh npcs and such um for josh and like Lars uh also like again

[02:11:11] um just uh taking on Hugo's uh persona through town and just like putting everything on his on

[02:11:19] Hugo's tab and then the punch just like the that long con you talk about long cons from David

[02:11:27] you pulled off your own long con sir that wasn't a long call that was just remembering

[02:11:30] oh right I got slapped for this fucker it's still good like it's still like I'm not denying

[02:11:35] it's good it's not exactly a con though not fooling anyone not fair um also the the fact

[02:11:41] that you you made this character was like my secret my dark secret is I'm always Swedish

[02:11:45] it's like all right that works perfectly for making this for implementing this character

[02:11:50] who looks like Adam and playing off of this this frenemy uh like mentality you guys have

[02:11:56] with each other in out of game or just like and and having that all right your your arch

[02:12:03] nemesis in this Vossan campaign looks like Adam yeah the only natural Henry of Swedes

[02:12:12] yeah the smiling man the smiling Kentucky man I was trying to beat us guys

[02:12:19] I know and where did that get you you've been immortalized as a Vossan

[02:12:26] hey take more you can get them that's true um and in the next campaign

[02:12:33] still secretly Swedish except Norwegian this time god damn it

[02:12:38] uh that's true yeah your character your last name is Skarsgard so yeah yep plus there's no

[02:12:43] such thing as bad publicity what was that Dave oh in regards to him being immortalized as a Vossan

[02:12:49] there's no such thing as bad publicity yeah that is true um and then for for David I know he's not

[02:12:57] here but like just sort of repeating what we we brought up earlier it's just like I loved the

[02:13:03] um his whole like changeling thing and like us just kind of like riffing like me like me

[02:13:10] presenting some ideas for him for like what his change or giving him some little bits of like

[02:13:14] information about his his secret identity because he left me with a lot of like room to wiggle with

[02:13:19] that like he didn't give like I came up with the like what what part of like what changeling he

[02:13:24] was of and stuff like that and and again the the whole like him just pissing off babalus

[02:13:31] yaga and distracting her and and and hurting her improve her hurting her spell casting

[02:13:37] by insulting her constantly uh was just really fun so yeah um

[02:13:46] yeah no this was this was a really fun campaign and I'm glad that we were able to

[02:13:51] uh to play through it it changed a lot like originally what what started off as hey let's

[02:13:57] play Ravenloft in Vossan and then some of the ideas I originally had planned for this was

[02:14:02] that okay we're gonna do like like so it's a there's a power vacuum there's a bunch more

[02:14:07] Vossan and like Vossaness creatures like from the fey in Raven in the Barovia and your

[02:14:12] characters have to do basically monster of the week sort of like hunt down these creatures like

[02:14:16] the witcher does it evolved from that to a centralized plot where you guys had to hunt down

[02:14:23] um had to find out why your your granny from this place um like wanted you like here

[02:14:30] and to hunt down these these twins that you weren't aware of like this the the scope is I

[02:14:36] didn't want to go like super epic but it uh it sort of evolved from being street level to

[02:14:41] somewhere in between like it became more of like a grandiose like personalized kind of sense of

[02:14:47] epicness but not like uh like a world spanning epicness it's not up in the sky it's not on

[02:14:53] the street it's like on the highway you know what it kind of reminded me it's kind of like

[02:14:57] how for me it kind of reminded me of um dragon age 2 uh in terms of like the the theming and the

[02:15:05] mood is like that's the thing I love about dragon age 2 that a lot of people I know a lot

[02:15:09] of people don't like dragon age 2 but what I love about it well what yeah and what I love

[02:15:14] about it what what makes me really like enjoy it was how personal like it it is grand it's

[02:15:21] grandiose it's not epic but and it's centralized to a uh it's focused in its uh in its location

[02:15:30] and it's uh and who's being affected um and there is a grandiose to that that focused um

[02:15:37] like thing because it's happening on a scale that's not like world uh size but it's like

[02:15:43] in a in a small location considerably and that's kind of what we got here was like

[02:15:49] this doesn't really this affects your fan your whole family line is affected by this

[02:15:54] and it also affects the people of barovia but it won't it may not affect the entire like

[02:16:00] the rest of the world or like the multiverse or whatever that shit is but so it's but it

[02:16:04] still has like a focused grandiose-ness um by the by the end of this campaign so

[02:16:10] I just really enjoyed how that like mutated and evolved and developed from sort of our group

[02:16:17] world build idea uh talkie episode to this though the outcome um because it was like

[02:16:26] considerably different from what I envisioned but like what I got was better than what I'd

[02:16:30] envisioned so who my favorite gms are you and joe and i just am always amazed by i mean i

[02:16:43] i think i come up with good ideas occasionally and stuff like that and this but i'm always

[02:16:48] amazed because i've we've done it several times now and we're gonna do it again just throwing

[02:16:53] stuff out like you know we'll have a conversation and i'll throw stuff out there i thought was

[02:17:00] cool and then i see you turn around and turn that into gold and implement it where it's

[02:17:04] you know something i've always kind of struggled with myself is uh you know applying the idea

[02:17:11] and all that and like there's there's things that you did that i was there during the character

[02:17:16] creation and i forgot or world buildings and i forgot and then oh that bastard view yeah i

[02:17:27] will speak to your credit you are a great catalyst um like again like oh that's just

[02:17:33] your typical kentucky tree dolphin like we would not have the uncles games

[02:17:39] 20 subsessions yeah 20 subsessions if you hadn't done that in our in our al dente rigamortis

[02:17:45] episode of a kentucky creepy pasta that i found if you'd not said that we wouldn't have had an

[02:17:51] entire episode of al dente rigamortis where we where we build and design what the kentucky

[02:17:57] tree dolphin is so yeah like don't sell yourself short like it you're you're great at

[02:18:04] like you're you're great for like uh coming up with like uh like seed ideas and like bouncing

[02:18:10] and like helping bounce those off and like make that something bigger thank you but yeah

[02:18:15] but you're you're the god at implementing them man and it's you know it's i feel like i

[02:18:20] learned something new about game design or scenario creation and uh and just game you

[02:18:26] know gm in general so like uh i would never turn down one of your games i appreciate that

[02:18:34] i i'm always i don't know if it's because like i i'm kind of humbled by it because

[02:18:39] like whenever somebody says they're like oh like oh they prefer like i they want to come

[02:18:43] back and like i'm one of their their favorite gm's is like really i'm glad i'm doing such a

[02:18:49] good job but yeah thank you guys for uh for jumping into this game and and tolerating my

[02:18:58] my manicness and my uh and and dealing with schedules and stuff like that for this

[02:19:03] um fine i know but uh this was this was really fun and uh yeah i look forward to the uh the

[02:19:10] next thing we run and play oh and hopefully over we'll see at least some of these characters

[02:19:15] again sometime in like a one shot or something yeah we just pull dorotea kicking and screaming

[02:19:23] into the next scenario like i was out i was out or even even better what if dorotea is the goal

[02:19:33] of a scenario like she thought she was out but then she's been taken by something

[02:19:38] and then olfren's like making some calls to like the other cousins against like it's like

[02:19:44] dorotea has been taken i have a bunch of and i know she has a bunch of cousins who have a

[02:19:49] certain amount of a certain set of skills yeah and then you have you have new new soren come

[02:19:57] back and he don't know jack shit oh my god yeah yeah so like yeah david could like expert like

[02:20:03] play with that like what happened and then josh you could play as either larz or jaeger

[02:20:10] or hugo yeah or hugo yeah yeah maybe some of the other cousins come out of the uh

[02:20:17] out of raven woodwork to help uh to help uh the other kin so what was that josh

[02:20:26] you said the like cousins are coming to the yeah the matter cousins are coming to ravenloft

[02:20:30] or the woodwork as i said yeah yeah if you it's hugo it's like it's like oh yes i was i was

[02:20:38] like i mean one of our cousins is in danger you want to get away from uh from your uh your

[02:20:43] baby mama didn't you it's like yes yes he still got the slap mark on his face yeah that's a

[02:20:50] permanent scar yeah it was it was a smite so it's like it's like the mark of cain is just like

[02:20:59] he looks like what the orcs are flooring the rings yeah the red hand the white hand the red

[02:21:06] hand yeah yeah so the white hand of sarah's the red hand of larz

[02:21:11] well thanks so much for running and guys it's been a pleasure playing with you again

[02:21:16] oh yeah don't be so for us like great having you here my pleasure

[02:21:22] and you to a lesser extent josh

[02:21:30] and david if you ever listen to this this was like again it goes up to you as well

[02:21:34] so yeah um but uh yeah that'll do it for this this talkie episode this uh postmortem for

[02:21:42] vossan and ravenloft um uh if you want to get a hold of us um i'll leave a description i'll

[02:21:49] leave an email in the description or you can contact us on twitter actually yeah oh we don't

[02:21:53] really do emails up for some reason on one less die but um if you want to uh talk to us

[02:21:59] um

[02:22:17] well um uh i did a real point exchange and we're at www.realpointexchange.com i'm on twitter and

[02:22:25] bluesgly and i'm never gonna say x because that's fucking stupid no and i at rp exchange

[02:22:33] and i'm on facebook not as often but it's uh facebook.com slash real point exchange

[02:22:40] and uh yeah and i'll tell you what for listeners if you could for any of these

[02:22:46] episodes in general but in the world podcasting it just feels like we are um you know sometimes

[02:22:53] shouting to the void you see the downloads you know that you know 150 people somebody's

[02:22:59] listened to it this month i have somebody from russia oddly enough but um if you could leave

[02:23:05] a comment like join in if there's been anything that you've particularly enjoyed from this

[02:23:11] campaign please leave it in the comments uh review cultures will let us know and it's

[02:23:17] it's always nice to get that little bit of feedback so yeah yeah my challenge to you

[02:23:22] yeah yeah if there's any questions that you have out there i mean i've had a couple of people

[02:23:27] comment to us and like ask uh like ask me some stuff about it and i'm happy to

[02:23:32] answer as best i can um on like what something we missed in in the postmortem or something

[02:23:37] that wasn't addressed in the campaign like if you want to know about something uh that was

[02:23:41] behind the scenes in the in the scenario and stuff uh yeah let us know and free leak if

[02:23:47] you're listening to us i'm sorry for gen con i was just trying to help the guy open a box

[02:23:54] but yeah yeah yeah thanks for making boston happen and all the other wonderful games i

[02:24:01] believe me when i tell you i have nearly all of your games and yeah thank you so much and

[02:24:07] thanks for enabling a community uh that you know presented such great things on drive-through

[02:24:13] rpg as the magic system which we implemented which really just made the game shine so thank

[02:24:21] you too to the publishers of this game and t sr wizards whatever yeah oh wait i show my age error

[02:24:31] yeah that's that's fine yeah um yeah no like doubly so um like free league uh if i can get

[02:24:38] some uh some preview uh copies of things down the road i love awson i love the one year engine so

[02:24:46] yeah um well until next time audience we'll see y'all next time bye bye see y'all later

[02:24:56] you think we'll ever make an outro no okay