ADR - Episode 538: The Eighth Orphan Part 2

[00:00:15] Oh, hello and welcome to Al Dente Rigamortis. I'm Review Cultist.

[00:00:21] I'm Mikey.

[00:00:21] You used to end in three of them?

[00:00:23] I'm the Gamer in Yellow.

[00:00:24] And we're here to discuss those internet stories, most creepy and most pasta, and be critically

[00:00:29] silly doing it.

[00:00:30] And tonight we have the second part of the Eighth Orphan, which is part of the Won't Think Straight

[00:00:37] saga of stories on Reddit.

[00:00:40] The Eighth Orphan Part 2.

[00:00:43] Which is the eleventh, which is also the eleventh Won't Think Straight story.

[00:00:48] Yes.

[00:00:48] We want to add more numbers again.

[00:00:50] Yeah.

[00:00:52] So yeah, you can check these out.

[00:00:54] You can check out the Eighth Orphan, both Part 1 and 2 on Reddit No Sleep along with

[00:01:00] all the other Won't Think Straight stories.

[00:01:05] And yeah, before we get too far ahead, I guess we should give our initial recommendations.

[00:01:10] I'm going to recommend this one, including as part of the first one as well.

[00:01:15] I am not going to recommend this one.

[00:01:18] I am also not going to recommend this one, but I'm hopeful that you can change my mind on

[00:01:24] it.

[00:01:25] I highly doubt it.

[00:01:27] Why is it happening?

[00:01:28] No, I refuse to believe.

[00:01:31] Honestly, I think I know why you guys don't recommend it.

[00:01:34] It's like the same reason why I probably would recommend it is because...

[00:01:38] But we'll get into that.

[00:01:39] Okay.

[00:01:42] So let's find out why we gave such contrasting recommendations starting with the rundown.

[00:01:52] So we start the story following some waxing philosophical about the complexity of the

[00:01:57] human mind and the power suggestion.

[00:01:59] We then dive back into the events of Steve and WTS's interviews and work with Saatcha,

[00:02:05] seemingly haunted now by the spirit of an eyeless, tongueless and bloodly, stumpy boy from her

[00:02:14] orphanage days.

[00:02:16] They quickly come to realize that there's a connection here between the ghost boy, the

[00:02:22] father, and Jockham's death.

[00:02:26] Vin Hadalhose's people!

[00:02:29] Oh, Allah the iconic line and revelation from the 1973 film Soil and Green.

[00:02:35] You heard that right.

[00:02:36] The children of the orphanage were being fed a dish with human meat carved off of this boy.

[00:02:43] And he was being kept alive and quiet in his own off-limits quarters in the orphanage

[00:02:49] by Father Abraham.

[00:02:51] And it seems Jockham remembered or realized this earlier than anyone else, and that's why

[00:02:59] he committed suicide.

[00:03:01] He wasn't saying they had eight orphans.

[00:03:05] He was saying with his last breath that they had eight orphans.

[00:03:12] Not the number, kids.

[00:03:14] The action of consuming food.

[00:03:21] So, yeah, Steve decides to use hypnosis on Saatcha to better acquire details about Saatcha's

[00:03:29] childhood and she agrees, hoping they might find something useful and stop these nightly

[00:03:36] encounters she's having with the ghost boy.

[00:03:39] It's here we get some more details regarding the father's proclivities with using hypnosis

[00:03:46] himself on the children and that fateful night Saatcha woke up screaming.

[00:03:52] Father took Saatcha to his quarters and manipulated her into falling asleep and forgetting what

[00:03:58] happened.

[00:03:59] However, this appeared to only partially work as she did seem to hear an argument father

[00:04:05] had with someone or something about a bargain and how it wanted him to sacrifice the

[00:04:12] girl.

[00:04:13] Saatcha or someone else?

[00:04:16] Or else.

[00:04:16] I'm going to stop you there.

[00:04:18] Did she overhear that or was that just a dream?

[00:04:22] Because I read that as she just had a spooky dream.

[00:04:24] I kind of interpreted it as it could go either way, like either she had the dream or while

[00:04:28] she was dozing off or going to sleep, while she was dreaming, she also overheard the

[00:04:35] father arguing loudly with somebody in the same room because that sometimes happens

[00:04:40] like when like something like an external thing happens in the same room as you while

[00:04:45] you're sleeping, like it will affect you in real life.

[00:04:47] I've been having that constantly like the last couple of weeks because I leave the TV

[00:04:51] going watching like something on YouTube and I'll start like dozing off and that will

[00:04:56] like start interacting with my own dreams until I wake up and see that the until

[00:05:01] I wake up and realize oh shit's like four o'clock and the TV has been on

[00:05:05] and that's why Game Grumps has been in my dreams.

[00:05:08] I'm not talking.

[00:05:12] Yeah, like that's kind of like how I interpreted it was that like it was sort of

[00:05:15] she was dreaming but like she was also overhearing on our argument that was happening

[00:05:20] in the same room.

[00:05:23] I mean that's just up for my observation of it but.

[00:05:29] I just didn't view it that way so.

[00:05:31] Fair enough.

[00:05:31] I didn't even think of that as an option is what I'm trying to get at.

[00:05:34] Yeah, so that's cool.

[00:05:38] But the nightmares and all that stuff seem to stop since the next morning and on

[00:05:43] Word, Satya has a pretty good and happy life.

[00:05:47] And father never seemed to have sacrificed her or any of the other six other orphans,

[00:05:52] though he seems to have been seems to have been suffering himself nightly

[00:05:58] occasionally screaming in pain from something.

[00:06:02] But just kind of like shrugging off is like having bad dreams himself.

[00:06:08] Eventually he the father does find foster families for the children and after

[00:06:14] they leave, he closes down the orphanage to go isolate himself in prayer

[00:06:18] till his eventual death.

[00:06:21] It seems that since the funeral Satya has caught the tag along spirit who

[00:06:26] nightly whispers the same vile bargain to her threatening that it was

[00:06:33] cheated by Abraham.

[00:06:34] And if she does not force child cannibalism on another, then it will

[00:06:40] choose one for her.

[00:06:43] One of her own children.

[00:06:47] She has tried many avenues to stop this thing but to no avail thus far.

[00:06:52] Steven WTS were the latest attempt and it seems at least for now the

[00:06:58] struggle continues.

[00:07:01] Finn.

[00:07:02] So yeah, that was the eighth orphan part two.

[00:07:06] And I suppose we should move on to everyone tolerates the

[00:07:10] grabbing positions at this point.

[00:07:13] I've got one that I really just cared to put in here.

[00:07:19] One that I really like the one that like stood up the most.

[00:07:21] So.

[00:07:24] So heavy that she was too tired able to open them until morning.

[00:07:31] So I feel so this is when like she's getting hypnotized to go back to

[00:07:36] sleep and stuff by by Father Abraham.

[00:07:38] And I think it should be so heavy that she was too tired, comma, unable

[00:07:44] to open them until morning.

[00:07:47] Yeah, or unable or and unable or something like that.

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:51] Yeah, and unable.

[00:07:53] And if you want extra clarity like and unable to open her eyes till

[00:07:55] morning, if you want to go.

[00:07:57] Yes.

[00:07:58] But that is it for my grammar position.

[00:08:01] So Mikey the stance for evil.

[00:08:03] I have a judge junction.

[00:08:06] All right.

[00:08:07] And next stop conjunction junction.

[00:08:10] It's why every culture in history has shared stories by

[00:08:15] the campfire in the hope that with each telling our dark ignorance

[00:08:22] recedes just a bit further through enlightenment.

[00:08:27] It's as if we were meant for greater things.

[00:08:32] It's for this noble purpose that Steve pursued psychology and

[00:08:38] I was eager to follow.

[00:08:41] So the right combination of words could reprogram our minds and

[00:08:48] unlock our tremendous human potential.

[00:08:52] But you would have no reason to want to.

[00:08:57] But as you sit there comprehending, comprehending these words in

[00:09:06] your head, you start to notice how your skin feels.

[00:09:12] And such a was a good subject to test this on.

[00:09:20] It didn't need Sherlock for the orphans to eventually put two

[00:09:24] and two together that night of their reunion.

[00:09:28] It seemed this wasn't the first time she had undergone this process.

[00:09:36] It was such a common occurrence that father didn't even stop

[00:09:43] classes when interrupted by a blackout.

[00:09:47] It allowed Abraham to get away with murder, leaving no evidence

[00:09:54] of his crime.

[00:09:56] But when they asked him about it the next morning, he would just

[00:10:01] smile and tell them not to worry.

[00:10:05] It was a few weeks after the funeral that Satya started noticing

[00:10:11] the boy again.

[00:10:13] It wouldn't let her forget.

[00:10:16] And that he will claim what was owed and she will give it

[00:10:23] to him so that his essence can be passed on as it now does in her.

[00:10:37] And if she doesn't choose, he will choose for her and she is

[00:10:45] too afraid to open her eyes.

[00:10:49] Finn.

[00:10:50] Wow.

[00:10:52] So one thing that I noticed while I was listening to that

[00:10:55] was since you didn't do it completely with the blackouts but

[00:11:00] it did away with the electrical problem, you didn't mention any of that.

[00:11:04] So he just mentioned how she had had an hypnosis process done to her before

[00:11:08] and then talking about the father.

[00:11:11] The hypnosis angle with the father came out early on and

[00:11:14] apparently the kids were just blacked out during classes.

[00:11:18] And it would allow the father to get away with murder because

[00:11:22] all the witnesses would be asleep.

[00:11:28] It was just really interesting.

[00:11:30] Again, added this extra level of sinisterness to the father.

[00:11:37] It's funny how we can get those weird angles when Mikey lists a bunch

[00:11:41] of sentences throughout the story that start with words that they

[00:11:43] probably shouldn't like it's ends or buts because there's always better

[00:11:45] words to use.

[00:11:47] Indeed.

[00:11:50] And then I suppose we have the gamer in yellow.

[00:11:52] Yes.

[00:11:54] I meant to say the grammar in yellow with the gamer in yellow.

[00:11:58] Sorry, now we have the grammar in yellow I suppose.

[00:12:00] Yes, with the gamer in yellow.

[00:12:01] That's me.

[00:12:03] I got one.

[00:12:06] A reality shaped by our thoughts and our thoughts are shaped by words.

[00:12:10] So the right combination of words could reprogram our minds

[00:12:13] and unlock our tremendous human potential.

[00:12:16] Our words have much more than people realize.

[00:12:20] So when I read that, I'm like much more what shouldn't it say

[00:12:23] like much more power than people realize?

[00:12:27] Because it just would have much more.

[00:12:30] Yeah, yeah, I actually remember fumbling over that and I thought

[00:12:33] I don't know why I didn't put that into my notes.

[00:12:39] Okay, I got you.

[00:12:41] Excellent.

[00:12:43] Yeah, because yeah.

[00:12:44] Oh my God.

[00:12:45] No, I agree like yeah words have much more power than people realize.

[00:12:48] I think that's yeah, legit.

[00:12:50] What should be?

[00:12:52] Yeah.

[00:12:53] All right.

[00:12:54] So I guess on to actual thoughts next.

[00:12:56] So I'm going to start with this one here.

[00:12:58] Actually, this is not in my notes, but I but my or but Mikey

[00:13:01] brought it up earlier.

[00:13:01] So I'm going to actually reread it and mention something about

[00:13:04] it where the hell was it shit?

[00:13:08] It was the very beginning.

[00:13:13] Something about.

[00:13:16] It's why it's why every culture in our country

[00:13:21] and history has shared stories by the campfire in the hopes that

[00:13:25] with each telling our dark ignorance recedes just a bit

[00:13:28] further through enlightenment.

[00:13:30] I thought campfire stories were to scare people.

[00:13:35] Yeah, that's to have fun and scare people.

[00:13:39] I didn't realize we were also doing it to drown out the

[00:13:42] the dark ignorance and and in the in the favor of the

[00:13:47] the enlightenment.

[00:13:49] Maybe originally that was the purpose.

[00:13:52] But nowadays it's just to spook people.

[00:13:55] Yeah, I mean also like there is like kind of it does kind of

[00:13:58] yeah, there is sort of an aspect of like, yeah, having fun by

[00:14:01] campfire story or like having fun telling creepy campfire

[00:14:04] stories and stuff like that around campfire.

[00:14:08] But it's also yeah, there's also that angle of like

[00:14:10] you also do it for like the camaraderie and stuff like

[00:14:12] that.

[00:14:13] So like to like sort of like you're among friends and

[00:14:15] like you sort of like fight back the fear that you might

[00:14:19] have of being in like the dark woods and stuff by telling a

[00:14:22] story to your friends.

[00:14:24] So I kind of get it but like at the same time it's like

[00:14:26] just for that joke of just like I thought we told creepy

[00:14:29] pastas or I thought we told scary campfire stories to

[00:14:31] get scared.

[00:14:35] But I digress.

[00:14:36] I'll move on to my actual thought my night my first

[00:14:39] actual thought.

[00:14:42] From rubbing sticks for fire to launching spacecraft in

[00:14:46] less than a thousand generations, our capacity for

[00:14:49] intelligence and our capacity for intelligence is

[00:14:52] overwhelmingly greater than what's needed from your

[00:14:55] survival.

[00:14:56] It's as if we were meant for greater things.

[00:14:59] We are the very essence of the universe itself given

[00:15:02] sentience to understand itself and its mystery and

[00:15:06] its mystery is better.

[00:15:07] It's for this noble purpose that Steve pursued

[00:15:11] psychology and I was eager to follow.

[00:15:14] Man, this opening like section here really feels

[00:15:18] more like it like the start of a sci-fi story than

[00:15:22] the second part of our previous creepypasta that

[00:15:26] we read.

[00:15:27] Because it is like very like like fantasy kind of

[00:15:31] vibes to it almost and like how outrageous it

[00:15:33] is.

[00:15:34] Well, like it's not so much fantasy as like this is

[00:15:37] very much like like it's waxing like philosophical

[00:15:41] and it's doing it to the extent of it sounding

[00:15:43] mystical.

[00:15:44] I don't think it's okay.

[00:15:45] I mean, I guess it could be mystical to me.

[00:15:47] To me, it reads more like something you'd see in

[00:15:49] like like on the start like at the start of a

[00:15:51] like a story about like space exploration or

[00:15:53] like like you know what this reminded me of

[00:15:55] actually this kind of remind me of something out

[00:15:56] of like something that would be said in like

[00:15:58] Mass Effect in Traumata where like there are

[00:16:00] space explorers and like we were made for better

[00:16:03] things or like for greater things like the go out

[00:16:05] into the stars and reach for the like reach to

[00:16:08] other planets and stuff.

[00:16:10] That's what it started like feeling like to me.

[00:16:13] Fantastical might have been the word I was

[00:16:15] trying to find.

[00:16:16] Okay, yeah that perhaps.

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:18] It's like Mass Effect is a good example but

[00:16:20] Mass Effect is also not realistic.

[00:16:22] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:23] It's soft science fiction over.

[00:16:25] Yes.

[00:16:25] Well, it kind of makes it a little bit but

[00:16:27] yeah, it's mostly soft science fiction.

[00:16:31] But I'll move on to the next thing I have here.

[00:16:35] One hypothesis Steve was researching was that

[00:16:39] the mind was software.

[00:16:41] Our reality is shaped by our thoughts and

[00:16:43] our thoughts are shaped by the word by words.

[00:16:46] So the right combination of words could

[00:16:48] reprogram our minds and unlock our tremendous

[00:16:51] human potential.

[00:16:52] And now this is starting to feel a lot like

[00:16:55] something out of eclipse phase or even unknown armies.

[00:16:59] The first thing eclipse phase being a transhuman

[00:17:02] sci-fi horror RPG system.

[00:17:05] So like your mind is software rewrite it.

[00:17:09] Your body is hardware replace it like that.

[00:17:13] I know one.

[00:17:14] Yeah, exactly.

[00:17:17] And then like the latter unknown armies is

[00:17:20] very much like a postmodern urban fantasy

[00:17:22] RPG where like magic is just kind of like

[00:17:27] how like if the wizards and the magic users

[00:17:32] of that system in that setting are just

[00:17:35] crazy obsessive human beings who are just

[00:17:39] exerting their will upon reality to change

[00:17:42] reality itself.

[00:17:44] Just with how crazy obsessive they are

[00:17:47] with something.

[00:17:49] So like that's kind of like it kind of it was

[00:17:52] kind of bringing that to mind that as well.

[00:17:53] Like the whole like our reality is shaped by

[00:17:55] our thoughts and like our thoughts are shaped

[00:17:58] by the words.

[00:18:01] So yeah, it's very postmodern magic or

[00:18:05] transhuman future sci-fi is what I was kind

[00:18:08] of getting the vibe from for this.

[00:18:11] And then the next thing we have here,

[00:18:13] this was a shocker for me.

[00:18:15] Like I'll go into it.

[00:18:16] So this is the quote here in this part.

[00:18:21] It didn't need Sherlock for the orphans to

[00:18:25] eventually put two and two together that night

[00:18:28] on their reunion.

[00:18:30] A missing orphan, a ghostly apparition with

[00:18:33] missing limbs and mysterious meat.

[00:18:36] They had been consuming human flesh.

[00:18:38] And to this I was like wait what?

[00:18:40] Like where's this connection coming from?

[00:18:42] And then I was like wait.

[00:18:44] So I went back to the previous part of the

[00:18:46] story.

[00:18:46] So this is from the eighth orphan part one.

[00:18:48] She still remembered the day she got to the

[00:18:51] she got that people call.

[00:18:53] She was preparing dinner as fate would have it.

[00:18:56] Vinja Dalhous, a traditional Portuguese dish

[00:19:00] of marinated pork the way Abraham had

[00:19:03] first taught her.

[00:19:04] It was something she cooked once a month,

[00:19:07] not just because of the happy memories

[00:19:10] it brought her but also because she was

[00:19:13] still experimenting with the recipe after

[00:19:15] all these years.

[00:19:16] She still couldn't quite seem to get the taste

[00:19:19] and texture exactly as she remembered it

[00:19:22] the first time it was cooked for her.

[00:19:25] Oh, oh my God.

[00:19:28] They were eating long pig this whole time.

[00:19:31] Long pig for anybody who doesn't know is a

[00:19:34] term for human flesh because of its

[00:19:36] similarities to pork.

[00:19:40] Well I yeah to add some critically

[00:19:44] sillyness that I have my notes here.

[00:19:48] The quote is at this point she had a

[00:19:52] sudden realization of why her recipe was

[00:19:55] never quite the same.

[00:19:57] Yeah, it lacked the faint taste of disinfectant.

[00:20:01] That's literally like farther down my notes

[00:20:03] and my reaction just yeah, yeah.

[00:20:07] But that doesn't say it lacked long pig.

[00:20:12] So she's been eating long pig this entire

[00:20:16] time just couldn't get the recipe quite right.

[00:20:19] Okay, that is critically silly.

[00:20:21] I saw it two different ways.

[00:20:23] When that first dropped it's like okay,

[00:20:26] it's not the disinfectant you're missing,

[00:20:28] it's the fact that you're not adding

[00:20:30] human meat to your recipes, that's where

[00:20:32] it is but then I got thinking it's like

[00:20:34] oh okay no she's actually just been

[00:20:36] actually doing this and has been still

[00:20:39] consuming human flesh this whole time.

[00:20:42] Okay, I don't think it was that.

[00:20:44] I think it was also like I was like oh well

[00:20:47] like that's why it's missing is like

[00:20:48] that she's eating human flesh back in

[00:20:51] the day versus now she's using pork

[00:20:53] for the dish but then I realized

[00:20:56] when it adds to disinfectant I was

[00:20:58] like what oh she had faint taste of

[00:20:59] disinfectant is like right because

[00:21:01] human flesh and pork as far as I've

[00:21:04] heard does have a similar texture

[00:21:07] and taste to pork so like she may

[00:21:10] not notice the difference if she's having

[00:21:12] pork over she's having human flesh.

[00:21:14] So the distinction is that there was

[00:21:17] disinfectant on like disinfectant on

[00:21:19] the meat to keep it from like going

[00:21:22] bad because father was

[00:21:25] carving it off of a live boy that had

[00:21:27] been like slowly, but it was being

[00:21:30] kept and slowly carved away over the

[00:21:33] course of like a month so like he

[00:21:34] needed to use disinfectant to like

[00:21:35] make sure like the meat didn't spoil.

[00:21:41] But yeah the premise is still all the

[00:21:43] same like she was eating people when

[00:21:45] she was a kid and that and like

[00:21:47] that's why her recipe never

[00:21:49] never tasted exactly the same was

[00:21:51] because she wasn't using the right

[00:21:53] ingredients when she was an adult.

[00:21:57] So it's like yeah.

[00:22:01] Yeah, yeah.

[00:22:04] And then my favorite I think

[00:22:05] probably quite possible my favorite

[00:22:06] line in this entire story is my next

[00:22:08] one. His last words were not just

[00:22:11] that they had eight orphans eight

[00:22:14] being a number, but they had eight

[00:22:17] orphans eight as in the action of

[00:22:20] consuming and to this I was like

[00:22:22] oh that's so fucking good.

[00:22:26] I love that I honestly like legit

[00:22:28] love that twist that twisted word

[00:22:31] play because the way the character

[00:22:34] heard it like initially it wouldn't

[00:22:37] necessarily be perceived to them

[00:22:39] and then and as a result to us the

[00:22:42] reader that it was eight eight T.

[00:22:46] He would have thought that it would

[00:22:47] that the that jocomot had said

[00:22:51] they had eight orphans E I

[00:22:54] G H T.

[00:22:56] Yeah, so it's such a good

[00:22:59] play on words I fucking like

[00:23:01] absolutely love it I'm here for it

[00:23:04] was good but like for me I honestly

[00:23:07] face-palmed a bit when I read that

[00:23:09] because like I'll get to it in my notes

[00:23:12] but like I was kind of like confused

[00:23:14] with most of the reach what I'll

[00:23:17] get there. I'll stop I won't judge you

[00:23:20] I'll try to I'll try to contain

[00:23:21] myself from judging you on this

[00:23:24] that's for later you judge me later

[00:23:26] yeah I'll judge you after recording

[00:23:32] so the next thing here

[00:23:35] Satya agreed to being hypnotized

[00:23:37] oh you know we kind of we kind of

[00:23:39] touched on this like in actually

[00:23:40] Mikey's I'll just all road to it

[00:23:44] Satya agreed to being hypnotized

[00:23:46] which in brackets with the

[00:23:49] appropriate guards in place

[00:23:52] to dig up more about her past

[00:23:54] she went under a lot quicker and

[00:23:56] easier than Steve had expected

[00:23:58] it seemed this wasn't the first time

[00:24:00] she had undergone this process so at

[00:24:02] this point I was like again this was

[00:24:04] like as I'm reading the story I was

[00:24:05] writing my notes down it's like father

[00:24:06] Abraham what have you done what did

[00:24:09] you do Abraham

[00:24:13] just because like that was my

[00:24:14] first instance is like oh shit this

[00:24:15] is what Abraham hypnotized the

[00:24:17] children to forget things

[00:24:20] and that's why like there she's

[00:24:22] she was so susceptible to it

[00:24:25] yeah this also this part here

[00:24:27] also kind of gave me the vibes from

[00:24:29] a movie we've watched or like me I

[00:24:31] watched and I've shared with I think

[00:24:33] game or yellow I don't know if Mikey's

[00:24:34] seen it communion which is a movie

[00:24:37] about a guy who seems to

[00:24:39] have an alien abduction event

[00:24:41] happen to him and like

[00:24:43] when they're looking into it like deeper because he's like having

[00:24:45] like horrible nightmares and like night terrors and stuff

[00:24:47] so he goes into hypnosis

[00:24:50] hypnosis has some hypnosis sessions

[00:24:51] to try and like uncover what happened

[00:24:53] that night and it stars Christopher

[00:24:55] walking so just

[00:24:58] and like one of my favorite lines in the movie is just like

[00:25:00] he's so he's like he's under hypnosis

[00:25:02] and uh and

[00:25:03] he's describing what's happening like in the event

[00:25:06] and he's like so he's like in his bedroom

[00:25:08] with his wife and so that and

[00:25:09] it's at night time and so and then so Christopher

[00:25:11] walk in his in his voice just like

[00:25:13] there's something in my room

[00:25:16] I don't think I want in my room

[00:25:19] it's like

[00:25:19] a little gray alien like pokes its head out

[00:25:21] the door like from through the door

[00:25:23] um and now

[00:25:25] is forever going to sound

[00:25:27] or going to look like Christopher walking to me

[00:25:30] wow

[00:25:32] by Christopher walking

[00:25:33] hmm just in a wig or something

[00:25:35] yeah just in drag

[00:25:38] yeah um

[00:25:40] so I just had like that

[00:25:42] this that's my critical silliness for this is like

[00:25:44] like it brought it brought forward like oh yeah

[00:25:46] it was like that that hypnosis session from

[00:25:48] uh from the movie communion

[00:25:49] and now I can't stop thinking about Christopher walking

[00:25:53] in

[00:25:53] I mean that's just normal though

[00:25:54] I mean yeah

[00:25:55] look at any of your dnd sessions

[00:25:58] how dare you sir

[00:26:01] it's not my fault I like the impression

[00:26:04] hey we all like it

[00:26:05] we love it

[00:26:06] anyway moving on

[00:26:09] uh Sachi has spoke fondly of how

[00:26:11] Abraham oh no we are we cover this one

[00:26:14] with uh with with Mikey's

[00:26:15] bring it up

[00:26:16] um so yeah my next thing here

[00:26:18] uh he would have kept the orphan

[00:26:21] in his own quarters

[00:26:23] it was the only place

[00:26:25] in the entire orphanage

[00:26:27] that was off limits

[00:26:28] the children had never heard

[00:26:30] so much as a sound coming from

[00:26:33] his room so the tongue

[00:26:35] would have been one of the first things

[00:26:37] to be removed

[00:26:38] I mean

[00:26:40] yes

[00:26:41] but also perhaps maybe there should be a mention

[00:26:45] like the quarters were like

[00:26:47] like maybe when um

[00:26:49] uh Sachi has brought into the room

[00:26:51] she notices that the walls are thicker

[00:26:53] in this room or something

[00:26:55] I don't know it's like you know that

[00:26:57] I I I I just feel like

[00:27:01] yes like he's tongue less so he's like he can't

[00:27:03] he can't speak but he gets a little yell

[00:27:06] um like

[00:27:07] he didn't get his like tonsils removed

[00:27:09] or like he didn't get like his vocal cords removed

[00:27:11] like he can still talk

[00:27:12] I mean I don't know that

[00:27:15] I don't know it just like

[00:27:17] just being tongue less

[00:27:18] doesn't initially mean that you you're completely

[00:27:20] mute um like you can still like

[00:27:23] scream uh and

[00:27:24] like make noises for that other

[00:27:26] people might be able to hear but

[00:27:28] um again we also

[00:27:30] don't know like maybe he's being sedated as well

[00:27:32] um to be placated and such

[00:27:35] like

[00:27:36] so what the damage done to him we only

[00:27:38] know what's visually there it's not

[00:27:40] like Sachi like inspected

[00:27:42] the dudes tonsils when you're sitting there

[00:27:45] you know we just uh like in my

[00:27:46] in my psychic hypnosis

[00:27:48] session let me just quickly like

[00:27:50] dissect this autopsy

[00:27:52] do a quick autopsy on this ghost

[00:27:56] yeah um yeah just like

[00:27:58] a quiet thing it's like I mean yeah he

[00:28:00] doesn't have a tongue but like he can still probably make

[00:28:02] some noise but I'll

[00:28:03] I'll let it go

[00:28:08] and the next thing I have

[00:28:10] here

[00:28:13] I'm just trying to make sure what I got here yeah okay yeah

[00:28:17] um

[00:28:18] uh yeah so this is when he's like arguing

[00:28:20] with the and like with the

[00:28:22] the entity um

[00:28:24] so only he was shouting at her

[00:28:26] or only he was shouting he wasn't

[00:28:28] shouting at only he wasn't

[00:28:30] shouting at her but someone else

[00:28:32] something about a deal

[00:28:34] of how the others

[00:28:36] would be spared if he sacrificed

[00:28:38] the girl as agreed

[00:28:40] father pleaded

[00:28:42] or father pleading

[00:28:43] to have the chance to find

[00:28:45] another when sachi awoke

[00:28:47] it was backed in her

[00:28:49] bed or back in her own bed

[00:28:51] the last of the children to wake

[00:28:53] she felt like it was a good

[00:28:55] day the memories of the night

[00:28:57] before

[00:28:59] the memories of the night before had dissipated

[00:29:01] like so many dreams had before

[00:29:03] it nothing eventful

[00:29:05] happened from that night onward

[00:29:07] for the next couple of years

[00:29:10] life continued as normal though

[00:29:11] abraham grew noticeably more sickly

[00:29:13] during that time

[00:29:14] so this is kind of interesting to me

[00:29:17] because like about like the deal and like

[00:29:19] how like what had been happening before as to like

[00:29:21] what happened after this event and some of that

[00:29:23] so

[00:29:25] it seems like um

[00:29:28] abraham made a deal

[00:29:29] with something something supernatural presumably

[00:29:31] uh involving cannibalism

[00:29:33] and while he did feed

[00:29:35] the children meat from another child

[00:29:38] and hypnotized them

[00:29:39] uh to make them forget certain

[00:29:41] things and such

[00:29:43] he also seems to have taken a

[00:29:45] hit to spare

[00:29:47] to spare sachi's life maybe

[00:29:49] or somebody else's life i'm not sure

[00:29:51] i'm still not sure on like the on the her that

[00:29:53] was mentioned because like

[00:29:54] there's a bit later on in the story where like

[00:29:57] there's a locket and it like belonged to a vana

[00:30:00] and like who the heck

[00:30:01] was that but

[00:30:03] um i've got some notes on that or some questions

[00:30:06] more about that later on um so it's like yeah it seems like

[00:30:08] he took a hit for the orphans

[00:30:12] and started like

[00:30:13] acting like getting sickly and started also like

[00:30:15] getting like being tormented at night by

[00:30:17] the creature and stuff with that or by the ghost

[00:30:19] and stuff so like

[00:30:20] that definitely doesn't forgive what he did

[00:30:22] like feeding them human meat

[00:30:25] and like hypnotizing them against their will

[00:30:27] and such um

[00:30:28] but it adds a slight

[00:30:30] and i emphasize

[00:30:32] slight shade of gray to the matter

[00:30:35] but only slightly

[00:30:37] like

[00:30:39] like how

[00:30:40] redeemable he might be and he's not

[00:30:42] redeemable he's not very redeemable

[00:30:45] after after what is exposed

[00:30:46] here in this in this part to me

[00:30:48] but 100%

[00:30:50] like the true origin

[00:30:52] of how all this started with him and like

[00:30:55] oh yeah how this had to happen we just have a glimpse into it

[00:30:58] yeah and i mean this also points out like to why he was

[00:31:01] why he went out and isolated himself in and like

[00:31:04] uh took on a life of of uh after the orphanage

[00:31:07] she took on a recluse life of like

[00:31:09] deep prayer and solitude was like probably trying to

[00:31:12] seek some some means of redemption or maybe try

[00:31:14] and find a way to like

[00:31:16] exorcise the the speed the spirit that was like haunting

[00:31:18] him uh until his death

[00:31:22] um and then we like you said like we do

[00:31:24] get like a bit at the end like so

[00:31:26] this is the quote i kind of took for this

[00:31:28] so whenever she lies in bed she feels breathing

[00:31:32] on her neck whispering evil whispering

[00:31:35] evils in her ear and tormenting her thoughts

[00:31:38] telling her that abraham did not keep his

[00:31:40] bargain to make another sacrifice that

[00:31:43] abraham had cheated him through death

[00:31:46] and that he will claim what was owed

[00:31:49] and she will give it to him

[00:31:53] so the boy is the thing that abraham

[00:31:56] made a deal with for what reason

[00:32:00] what did abraham get out of this bargain

[00:32:03] was this vana from the locket uh

[00:32:07] like that he he they found on his body

[00:32:09] like when he died they found a girl's

[00:32:11] a girl's locket that said vana

[00:32:13] like was that his daughter from like

[00:32:15] the path like the far from like the past

[00:32:17] or something like that was

[00:32:20] she actually the user of the mattress

[00:32:22] in his quarters or was that also the boy

[00:32:24] was that just the boy that he was slowly

[00:32:26] carving meat off of

[00:32:28] was she sacrificed instead of the

[00:32:31] the sixth there the seven orphans

[00:32:33] or was this all sort of like a

[00:32:36] cyclic situation where abraham is

[00:32:39] was stuck in this situation from when

[00:32:41] he was a child unknowingly eaten human

[00:32:43] flesh to transfer this evil to him

[00:32:46] and it's just happening over it's

[00:32:48] just been happening over and over and

[00:32:50] over again uh and the original bargain

[00:32:52] has kind of just been lost to time

[00:32:53] like I don't understand what like we

[00:32:55] don't get a lot of con we there's a

[00:32:57] lot of questions I had by the end of

[00:32:59] the story um that it was like

[00:33:03] we don't really have a lot of context

[00:33:04] as to like what the bargain was

[00:33:06] and like why this thing is is

[00:33:08] tormenting them and why like we

[00:33:10] don't why it wants them to eat

[00:33:11] human flesh because it's a transfer

[00:33:13] system like it'll transfer to like

[00:33:15] the next vessel or something like that

[00:33:17] but like what is the is it a

[00:33:19] transfer spirit

[00:33:21] honestly yeah I like as in like a

[00:33:24] transfer student transfer spirit oh yeah

[00:33:26] I thought it was like yeah like a

[00:33:29] transfer ritual like where the spirit

[00:33:30] well like by consuming that flesh the

[00:33:32] the spirit can transfer into that body

[00:33:34] kind of thing yeah

[00:33:36] but yeah like we I was left with a

[00:33:38] bunch of questions at the end of the

[00:33:39] story um that I'm like we never

[00:33:41] really get an answer to and and while

[00:33:43] I'd love to but

[00:33:45] but while I'd love to see a

[00:33:47] future story try to investigate

[00:33:49] further like let's let's find out

[00:33:51] let's let's get a little bit more about

[00:33:53] like Satya's journey like trying to stop

[00:33:54] this thing or trying to like look into

[00:33:55] this thing or maybe like her uh

[00:33:58] like maybe Steve and WTS like help

[00:34:00] her help her again to try and like

[00:34:02] figure out what's going on like as

[00:34:03] maybe things get worse but I also

[00:34:05] understand and and don't necessarily hate

[00:34:08] if we don't because this is a horror

[00:34:10] story we don't get all the

[00:34:12] and we don't get all the quite all the

[00:34:14] answers we just get we often get

[00:34:16] questions more so than more

[00:34:18] so than answers um

[00:34:20] and it doesn't always have a happy ending

[00:34:22] but that's good that's fine like that's a good thing

[00:34:25] um so like I

[00:34:26] it's weird because like I had all these questions by

[00:34:28] the end of the story and yeah I want them I wouldn't mind them getting

[00:34:30] like answered but I wasn't

[00:34:32] left like some it's like some stories we

[00:34:34] have for some reason in this story I

[00:34:36] wasn't left um

[00:34:37] um yeah I wasn't left wanting or like I wasn't left

[00:34:40] unsatisfied by the

[00:34:42] journey I had gone through with like part

[00:34:44] one and part two um

[00:34:46] I think I think it's mostly because like

[00:34:47] just how like I

[00:34:49] like I got punched by the revelation that

[00:34:51] they were eating a flat like human like they

[00:34:53] have been eating human flesh and I don't know how I missed

[00:34:55] that from part one

[00:34:58] like okay

[00:34:59] that's a big part of my problem with the

[00:35:01] story it's not in part

[00:35:03] one it kind of is though

[00:35:05] it's a throw away line

[00:35:07] that I don't end it upon

[00:35:09] so much in the second one

[00:35:11] but it's dropped in a manner

[00:35:13] that you should that the story is telling

[00:35:15] it as if you should have gotten it in the first

[00:35:17] one I

[00:35:19] I don't know man I like reading re-reading

[00:35:21] or like I didn't reread all the part one

[00:35:23] but like reading part two and then like just from

[00:35:25] like a week a week ago when we had

[00:35:27] when I read part one I was

[00:35:29] able to like kind of like oh that's what

[00:35:31] like that that dish that they were always

[00:35:33] making with pork fuck and that's why he was

[00:35:36] just because you have the

[00:35:36] yes because you have the context from the

[00:35:39] second one when we just

[00:35:41] read through the first one and none of us

[00:35:43] caught it the we thought

[00:35:45] it was just a random throw

[00:35:47] away

[00:35:49] backstory moment to add to

[00:35:51] flesh out the character more because that's what it looked like

[00:35:53] and it's just left

[00:35:54] unassuming like that meanwhile

[00:35:57] it's the main focus of the second part

[00:35:59] but none of us got it

[00:36:00] the first time around

[00:36:02] but it's not dropped as if

[00:36:04] it's a twist in the second one it's

[00:36:06] dropped as if it is assumed knowledge

[00:36:08] from the previous one which is where

[00:36:10] my confusion started

[00:36:12] with this story. Gotcha

[00:36:15] I get what you're going

[00:36:16] with I don't hate it at all

[00:36:19] okay I'm we're gonna have

[00:36:20] a very like we're gonna have very different views

[00:36:22] on this because like I did not hate this at all

[00:36:25] for that

[00:36:26] drop because I saw it more as a twist

[00:36:28] than a just like dropped out of nowhere

[00:36:31] but I understand

[00:36:33] like why you might also like

[00:36:35] not like that because it is kind of

[00:36:37] dropped just abruptly and like

[00:36:38] you might not like that for that

[00:36:40] but I that's why I because

[00:36:43] that yes Mikey

[00:36:45] yeah and the other

[00:36:47] thing is that

[00:36:48] it says

[00:36:50] like before it reveals that

[00:36:52] the whole mystery me

[00:36:54] it didn't need Sherlock for

[00:36:57] the orphans to eventually put two and two together

[00:36:59] that night of the reunion

[00:37:01] the night of the reunion

[00:37:03] was the first part

[00:37:05] yeah and it

[00:37:07] took us more

[00:37:08] than putting two and two together

[00:37:11] because we didn't

[00:37:12] get four

[00:37:15] in the first one. I guess more number than the average orphan

[00:37:17] I guess so

[00:37:18] also I will want I do want to point out this story

[00:37:21] does have at the very beginning

[00:37:22] please read part one

[00:37:25] because this is sort of like

[00:37:26] this is sort of like a

[00:37:28] serialized thing so like

[00:37:29] you are there in this is a case of like

[00:37:32] you should read part like

[00:37:33] you've read part one now go on and read part two

[00:37:35] because that's where like the actual like revelation

[00:37:37] of the the

[00:37:39] horribleness is happening

[00:37:42] the first part was like kind of just more

[00:37:43] of a setup of like the characters and stuff of that and then

[00:37:45] this one is actually like the dark reveal

[00:37:48] but

[00:37:50] yeah I

[00:37:51] mean

[00:37:51] I can see like maybe like if part one and part two were combined

[00:37:55] together

[00:37:57] rather than being a part one and part two

[00:37:59] like having that separation

[00:38:01] that would probably be better

[00:38:05] but as it is

[00:38:07] like I still really dug this story

[00:38:09] and yeah

[00:38:11] so I will I will

[00:38:13] not interfere when you guys start ripping it apart

[00:38:18] so starting

[00:38:19] with Mikey these days for evil

[00:38:21] I

[00:38:23] just continuing on the thought

[00:38:26] I feel

[00:38:27] like the whole

[00:38:29] we had eight orphans

[00:38:33] would have been a good

[00:38:35] zinger for the first part

[00:38:39] 100% I'm with you

[00:38:41] preach

[00:38:46] honestly

[00:38:47] but you know what like you point that out

[00:38:48] yeah

[00:38:52] okay great

[00:38:53] you're gonna count

[00:38:55] no no like

[00:38:56] that's a good

[00:38:58] that's a good point

[00:39:02] but the thing is as I was

[00:39:05] reading this part

[00:39:06] it's halfway through we get the zinger

[00:39:09] and then

[00:39:11] there's still more to read

[00:39:12] so it's like okay well we

[00:39:15] we've dropped the zinger the oh

[00:39:17] shit moment but there's

[00:39:19] still more

[00:39:20] like what else can top the zinger

[00:39:23] in this part of the story

[00:39:24] nothing

[00:39:27] I mean

[00:39:29] what like what like some of the

[00:39:31] some of the past behind that

[00:39:34] well it's

[00:39:35] fine but

[00:39:37] it should have been

[00:39:39] part of the first part

[00:39:42] then

[00:39:42] the second part could focus on

[00:39:45] the why

[00:39:46] and such I don't know

[00:39:49] it just

[00:39:50] that's my thoughts on that

[00:39:52] part of it

[00:39:57] next

[00:40:00] so the section

[00:40:04] where it's describing itches

[00:40:06] and

[00:40:10] talking about

[00:40:11] feeling itchy makes you

[00:40:13] feel it in real life

[00:40:17] I sneezed

[00:40:19] fair I stood there

[00:40:21] staring into oblivion

[00:40:23] as the empty husk that I am

[00:40:27] I'm not gonna lie I was like

[00:40:28] I will not scratch

[00:40:30] I will not scratch

[00:40:33] was it bugging you

[00:40:34] I had like there was like one part of my body

[00:40:37] that suddenly had an itch but like

[00:40:39] that was it

[00:40:40] it worked on one of us

[00:40:42] of course it would work on me

[00:40:49] alright

[00:40:53] and then my next

[00:40:56] note here

[00:40:57] I have a quote

[00:41:00] she must sacrifice a child

[00:41:02] and feed its flesh to another

[00:41:05] so that his essence can be passed

[00:41:07] on as it now does in her

[00:41:10] to which my response is well

[00:41:13] but

[00:41:13] if all the orphans

[00:41:16] were fed other orphans

[00:41:20] or this one orphan

[00:41:21] that they all ate

[00:41:23] then

[00:41:24] doesn't that mean that if she dies

[00:41:27] the demon will pass on

[00:41:29] to one of the others that's still alive

[00:41:31] or the demon is already

[00:41:34] hassling all the other ones

[00:41:36] also simultaneously

[00:41:37] yeah we don't know what's going on with

[00:41:39] Shauna or any of the other guys

[00:41:43] yeah

[00:41:43] like

[00:41:45] well

[00:41:47] it feels like it's

[00:41:50] can only tackle

[00:41:52] one at a time which is why

[00:41:53] the one orphan in the previous

[00:41:56] story killed himself

[00:41:58] because the demon was hassling him

[00:42:00] I don't think he killed himself because of that

[00:42:02] I think he killed himself because

[00:42:04] he realized they had been

[00:42:06] eating some they'd be eating human flesh

[00:42:07] and so he tried he went nut or he

[00:42:09] rolled a sand check and got down to zero

[00:42:12] and decided

[00:42:14] the best way to cleanse his soul was to cleanse

[00:42:16] his body with bleach

[00:42:18] but the thing is how did he

[00:42:20] realize this it's 20 years

[00:42:22] after that's true

[00:42:25] maybe he finally

[00:42:26] realized what maybe there's something

[00:42:28] happening with jock and where he realized like oh

[00:42:30] that's the taste like

[00:42:32] yeah we don't know we there are

[00:42:34] again there's something missing

[00:42:38] razor is what it is

[00:42:40] god damn it

[00:42:42] that's so good

[00:42:52] yeah like maybe like jock and like found out

[00:42:54] what the taste of human flesh was and then

[00:42:56] realized like that's what

[00:42:57] was like that's

[00:43:00] what the

[00:43:03] dish was and so he came

[00:43:05] to the conclusion that like ahead of the others I don't know

[00:43:08] it's yeah

[00:43:10] I hate that I like

[00:43:11] this it's over

[00:43:15] I'm agreeing I am actually agreeing with

[00:43:17] your guys points but like it's not ruining the story for me

[00:43:20] I was

[00:43:21] talking as if I was jockom

[00:43:23] saying I hate that I like

[00:43:25] human flesh

[00:43:27] it's like oh shit

[00:43:28] I like this well I'm gonna kill myself

[00:43:31] yeah thanks I hate it

[00:43:34] yeah that's kind of feeling

[00:43:35] yeah um

[00:43:38] like

[00:43:39] I think I think why

[00:43:40] she got targeted was because she

[00:43:43] like she says she invited

[00:43:45] to her she invited

[00:43:47] not into her but like

[00:43:49] into her like kind of like inner circle

[00:43:51] like she wanted to like be friends with it so that

[00:43:54] was an invitation and in

[00:43:55] a lot of paranormal supernatural stuff

[00:43:58] um

[00:43:59] demons and spirits like need an invitation

[00:44:02] to start haunting a person

[00:44:03] yeah so

[00:44:06] they can't come in if you don't let them in kind of deal

[00:44:08] yeah very similar to that yeah

[00:44:10] but in the first

[00:44:12] story we

[00:44:13] have her

[00:44:15] leaving part of her meal under her

[00:44:17] bed for whatever it is

[00:44:19] yeah that was part

[00:44:22] of his body

[00:44:22] that she left under his bed

[00:44:25] so of course he's going to haunt her

[00:44:28] well

[00:44:29] yes and yes you're right

[00:44:31] but also like that is also a sign

[00:44:33] of invitation which again for spirits

[00:44:35] and stuff that's all it needs

[00:44:38] so and

[00:44:39] the fact that it was also a part of his bodily

[00:44:41] like vessel or like bodily

[00:44:43] like presence just helps

[00:44:45] familiarize him or like ground him to that

[00:44:47] person too because it's like she's offering

[00:44:49] food that is also him

[00:44:52] she was just doubly

[00:44:56] fucked by

[00:44:57] my invitation

[00:44:59] yeah

[00:45:03] alright

[00:45:05] and then my

[00:45:07] last note here

[00:45:10] is that

[00:45:11] we have a little

[00:45:13] hypnosis section

[00:45:15] so her eyes are still closed because she's

[00:45:18] still in the dream

[00:45:26] I

[00:45:27] mean

[00:45:27] yeah maybe

[00:45:29] there's just a spinning

[00:45:31] top just never ending

[00:45:33] yep

[00:45:36] oh

[00:45:39] still have not seen that movie

[00:45:41] it's okay

[00:45:43] cool

[00:45:44] it is fun it's just I

[00:45:47] think it I do think it's a little overhyped

[00:45:49] like

[00:45:50] but like I it was cool

[00:45:52] like there's some cool scenes and stuff like

[00:45:53] some cool like brain thinking scenes

[00:45:55] and there's also like a lot of cool action sequences

[00:45:57] and visuals it's just

[00:46:00] not I don't think it was

[00:46:01] as great as like people were like

[00:46:03] visual like like

[00:46:05] overhyping it at the time

[00:46:08] but

[00:46:10] mm-hmm yeah

[00:46:13] anyway that's handed my actual thoughts

[00:46:15] okay

[00:46:17] gamer

[00:46:19] I see what I got left

[00:46:21] so

[00:46:22] my first one is just on the intro

[00:46:23] saying like there are very few things more amazing

[00:46:26] than the human mind a particular grouping of

[00:46:28] atoms forged in star fire arranged

[00:46:30] and connected in such a way that

[00:46:31] it yearns to comprehend the world around

[00:46:34] it so I appreciate

[00:46:36] the like pro-human badass

[00:46:37] or of that line but like

[00:46:39] you're really giving a lot of credit to humans

[00:46:42] we're just smart monkeys man

[00:46:44] that's it

[00:46:45] I mean it is

[00:46:46] I mean I think

[00:46:49] yes

[00:46:49] but also like

[00:46:51] it's pretty crazy that like

[00:46:55] these smart monkeys on this

[00:46:56] dust ball floating in the void

[00:46:59] like

[00:46:59] rose to like the heights we've rose to so far

[00:47:03] oh for sure

[00:47:04] like we've

[00:47:06] we went from

[00:47:09] a like to

[00:47:10] we went from a

[00:47:11] an agrarian like hunter-gatherer

[00:47:14] culture

[00:47:15] to landing on the moon

[00:47:18] and sending robots

[00:47:19] to various planets beyond

[00:47:21] our own planet and moon

[00:47:23] in like under

[00:47:25] 10,000 or in just around

[00:47:27] 10,000 years

[00:47:29] that's pretty

[00:47:30] comparative to like deep time

[00:47:33] which is like millions of years

[00:47:35] this planet has been around

[00:47:37] we are but a blip and in that blip

[00:47:39] we have already like

[00:47:41] arrived we've already like started

[00:47:43] like diving into space travel

[00:47:45] a lot in a little amount of time

[00:47:48] yeah

[00:47:49] which is great

[00:47:51] but yeah I also as a whole

[00:47:53] are idiots so hence why

[00:47:55] yeah yeah also the

[00:47:57] actually now that you brought it up like yeah that whole thing

[00:47:59] of like our atoms created by like

[00:48:01] was it star uh starfire like

[00:48:03] forged by star

[00:48:04] I mean like

[00:48:07] I guess because like we did need

[00:48:09] sunlight to like

[00:48:11] like we need to need like sunlight

[00:48:13] and heat to kind of like

[00:48:15] um

[00:48:17] develop our single-celled

[00:48:19] organisms to complex organisms and

[00:48:21] what have you in some of that

[00:48:22] the kind of start churning the primordial juices

[00:48:25] mm-hmm

[00:48:26] but like yeah it just it seemed like it's like

[00:48:28] stores forged by starfars like I mean

[00:48:31] that's a little like presumptuous

[00:48:33] that's a little like self presumptuous

[00:48:36] it's going a little far

[00:48:37] with it but yeah

[00:48:42] but I'll move on

[00:48:46] well it's technically moving on it's kind of talking

[00:48:48] about the same thing so I'm not going to bother repeating it

[00:48:50] so um

[00:48:52] it's it's kind of like just me

[00:48:54] thinking about that whole intro and like

[00:48:56] how humans have evolved so fast

[00:48:58] and gotten as smart as

[00:49:00] smart people are

[00:49:02] it's weird like

[00:49:04] how we're so different

[00:49:06] to like all life on earth

[00:49:08] like it does kind of lead

[00:49:10] lend credit to the argument that we aren't

[00:49:12] even from this world

[00:49:13] like unless this is just how the universe works

[00:49:16] like each planet evolves its creatures

[00:49:18] until one becomes self-aware

[00:49:20] and that's it like they're the dominant

[00:49:22] species on the planet

[00:49:24] opposed to like multiple

[00:49:26] species all being self-aware

[00:49:28] on the planet you know I mean technically

[00:49:30] at one point there were like two or three

[00:49:33] uh sentient

[00:49:34] species on the planet that we wiped out

[00:49:37] hell yeah

[00:49:38] like the human spirit

[00:49:39] like homo like uh I think it was like homo sapiens

[00:49:42] and neanderthals were technically

[00:49:44] at one point like a divergent

[00:49:45] like we had there were two

[00:49:48] types of humans on the planet neanderthals

[00:49:50] and and homo sapiens

[00:49:52] and we just kind of out

[00:49:54] we just sort of like out grew

[00:49:56] and out smarted the neanderthals

[00:49:59] nice

[00:50:01] I didn't know that

[00:50:02] yeah that's that's the

[00:50:05] going theory right now though anyways like kind of thing

[00:50:07] mm-hmm

[00:50:09] just because like they were they had like

[00:50:11] a different type of adaptability that didn't work

[00:50:13] out versus our adaptability that worked out like

[00:50:14] our there's theory that like neanderthals

[00:50:17] didn't have the same kind of like

[00:50:18] pattern recognition that we have

[00:50:20] in our brains so like

[00:50:22] weren't able to like do certain things that we are

[00:50:25] kind of thing and so and our

[00:50:26] our adaptability uh our adaptable

[00:50:29] trait was better than that than

[00:50:31] their adaptable traits so yeah

[00:50:32] we were it's basically like

[00:50:35] um two different versions

[00:50:37] all like

[00:50:38] competing to uh

[00:50:40] it's like when the the military like tries

[00:50:43] to get like a new rifle through

[00:50:45] like they have a bunch of different versions

[00:50:47] that go through testing and only one makes it

[00:50:49] yeah or it's it's kind

[00:50:51] of like the term uh thinks

[00:50:52] work smarter not harder

[00:50:55] yes like yeah

[00:50:56] something like that for sure

[00:50:58] um

[00:51:00] but yeah like at one point like yeah we did

[00:51:02] okay uh

[00:51:04] we did kind of war with another

[00:51:06] species it just was

[00:51:08] kind of similar to ours

[00:51:11] but I digress

[00:51:12] my uh yeah

[00:51:15] that's neat though

[00:51:16] um that being said like

[00:51:18] when I got thinking about that I tried

[00:51:20] to counter that in my I'm like having

[00:51:22] I was having an argument with myself at the moment

[00:51:24] it sounds like you're having it sounds like

[00:51:26] you were having an existential crisis

[00:51:28] I was just no I was just thinking because

[00:51:30] like it got me thinking that's all

[00:51:31] um so like I was thinking

[00:51:34] like I was trying to

[00:51:36] counter it with like compared to mass effect where there's

[00:51:38] a bunch of different alien races but then I got

[00:51:40] thinking no they're all from different planets

[00:51:42] too

[00:51:44] I mean they're all

[00:51:46] biological life but they all

[00:51:48] evolve differently based on the the

[00:51:50] planets environments and like situations and such

[00:51:53] yes my whole note on this

[00:51:54] is like one

[00:51:56] self-aware um

[00:51:58] creature per planet seems to be

[00:52:00] the way it works

[00:52:02] even in fantasy

[00:52:03] I'm sure there's some fantasy stuff that

[00:52:06] there's multiple on one but that all like

[00:52:08] evolved on one but

[00:52:10] yeah actually

[00:52:12] connective tissues time I've been playing a game

[00:52:14] I've been playing a game called or I've been watching

[00:52:16] a show called Defiance

[00:52:17] which is a sci-fi series where aliens like

[00:52:20] show up uh show up to earth in like 2013

[00:52:22] or 2014 on like

[00:52:24] arcs um

[00:52:26] something goes wrong there's a war the arcs

[00:52:28] explode in orbit and start bringing down

[00:52:30] and like so basically the survivors

[00:52:32] of both humans and the various

[00:52:34] alien races from this other far off star system

[00:52:36] um

[00:52:38] now live on like a terraformed earth

[00:52:40] because the terraformers on the arcs that

[00:52:42] came crashing down uh

[00:52:44] transformed the entire earth so it's

[00:52:46] like practically unrecognizable to what we have now

[00:52:49] but there are some of those

[00:52:51] species some of those aliens

[00:52:52] um that were developed that did develop

[00:52:55] on the same planet just

[00:52:57] in different regions

[00:52:59] uh in their home system so

[00:53:03] I'm pretty sure that I'm

[00:53:05] pretty sure that's like what happened but yeah there's there are also other series

[00:53:07] um like sci-fi

[00:53:09] series and stuff of that where um

[00:53:11] there are like there's a planet with with multiple

[00:53:13] aliens um that

[00:53:15] are like multiple different species of aliens that

[00:53:17] developed on the same planet

[00:53:19] yeah for sure I'm sure

[00:53:21] like even in real life it's a case by case basis I'm sure

[00:53:23] if there is intelligent life

[00:53:25] out there in the universe that we're unaware of

[00:53:27] there's probably planets that have multiple on

[00:53:29] or just don't know

[00:53:31] either way I'll move on from all this

[00:53:32] okay so my next one

[00:53:35] was just about how like there's like left

[00:53:37] field cannibalism in this story

[00:53:40] um cannibalism from left

[00:53:41] town basically just because like

[00:53:42] in the first story we all missed it and we kind

[00:53:45] of brushed on this but like

[00:53:47] so like is that

[00:53:49] is that technically a problem

[00:53:51] with the first story that all three

[00:53:53] of us missed it or is it just a problem

[00:53:55] with us that it's not

[00:53:56] like we're not smart enough to catch it

[00:53:58] or something like that because it's not

[00:54:01] at all it's not even

[00:54:02] like we thought about like

[00:54:05] random

[00:54:06] different reasons why the father is a horrible person

[00:54:09] and we were throwing a bunch of stuff out there

[00:54:11] but none of that was said it was all head canon

[00:54:13] I here's

[00:54:15] why I like this story

[00:54:17] um and why I don't

[00:54:18] hate that we didn't but we missed it

[00:54:20] I think it's on us because when I went

[00:54:22] back to that story

[00:54:23] it was so glaringly obvious

[00:54:26] to me like this before but

[00:54:28] that's because you went back with the

[00:54:30] knowledge of this story yeah

[00:54:32] yeah looking for things

[00:54:34] that could connect to it you were captain hindsight

[00:54:37] well no

[00:54:38] I mean again maybe

[00:54:40] uh but like to me like

[00:54:42] this was a journey of like so like you are

[00:54:44] supposed to go back and like recall

[00:54:46] things for that you just read from the part from

[00:54:48] part one like I think this is one of those

[00:54:50] cases where the story like part one and part two are

[00:54:52] supposed to be read like in conjunction

[00:54:54] maybe not a week apart

[00:54:57] um like we do

[00:54:58] but that is it's just the way

[00:55:00] our show is um

[00:55:02] because just like to me

[00:55:04] the the dish and also the

[00:55:06] appearance of the kid like the

[00:55:08] stumps suddenly

[00:55:10] made way more sense to me when I realized

[00:55:12] that they were they were being fed this child's

[00:55:14] flesh I was like

[00:55:16] that's why he doesn't have limbs

[00:55:19] um

[00:55:20] and yeah so and also jock

[00:55:22] him suicide suddenly made a lot more sense why he

[00:55:24] used the bleach it made like

[00:55:25] I think that's a good part of like

[00:55:28] for me that's why I liked the writing was

[00:55:30] because like it was suddenly throwbacks

[00:55:32] to like things that you missed from the first

[00:55:34] one but like now we're coming back up in your

[00:55:36] remembering things from part one

[00:55:38] that make it more that make more sense now

[00:55:41] that's why I

[00:55:42] but

[00:55:43] but again like the way

[00:55:46] that I saw that when it first

[00:55:48] dropped it was

[00:55:49] it just confused me

[00:55:52] where like

[00:55:54] it let me find the actual

[00:55:56] line when it's talking about it because

[00:55:57] it it came across so matter

[00:56:00] of factly not as a twist even though

[00:56:02] it's meant to be a twist in the middle of the story

[00:56:04] which is weird like monkey said

[00:56:05] um

[00:56:08] so

[00:56:09] 8

[00:56:10] you to have the power Sherlock Holmes

[00:56:12] blah blah blah you didn't need it

[00:56:13] for them to put together the night of the reunion

[00:56:16] missing orphan ghostly apparition missing

[00:56:18] limbs of mysterious meat they had been consuming human flesh

[00:56:20] it's just kind of mentioned

[00:56:22] and then it's like what when did that come

[00:56:24] from and then it goes in saying

[00:56:26] yeah like the yeah

[00:56:28] the pun of 8 and 8

[00:56:30] and stuff like that but it's just kind of dropped

[00:56:32] but so gently

[00:56:34] yeah I wish it was a harder

[00:56:36] drop at the end of

[00:56:38] the first story yeah

[00:56:39] I think part of the

[00:56:41] issue is that this is the first

[00:56:44] time we get a mention of mysterious

[00:56:45] meat

[00:56:48] because it's just said she made

[00:56:50] that dish like

[00:56:52] there's nothing weird about it

[00:56:54] yeah like

[00:56:56] if they had mentioned mysterious meat in the

[00:56:58] first one like

[00:57:00] somehow then

[00:57:02] we might have come up with a

[00:57:04] oh it's human flesh

[00:57:06] but

[00:57:07] that like that's the

[00:57:10] key point or the key

[00:57:12] part of that sentence because we got

[00:57:14] a missing orphan a ghostly apparition

[00:57:16] with missing limbs

[00:57:17] but mysterious meat was not mentioned in

[00:57:20] the previous one

[00:57:23] we know on the first one

[00:57:26] the reason he has no limbs is just because

[00:57:27] like that's the way that that spirit is

[00:57:30] not because

[00:57:31] he was

[00:57:32] being hacked up by

[00:57:34] the father

[00:57:35] I mean that's any story

[00:57:38] you see a creature the way he is it's not

[00:57:40] necessarily a result of the story

[00:57:42] it's just a result of that

[00:57:44] creature's past that isn't necessarily

[00:57:46] even mentioned in the story

[00:57:48] mm-hmm I

[00:57:50] guess I'll move on

[00:57:52] and then well I'm kind

[00:57:54] of sort of moving on in regards to the

[00:57:56] Ate versus EIGHT

[00:57:59] of Ate's

[00:58:01] as I said as a man

[00:58:02] who loves playing with my words I had to

[00:58:05] resist face palm I'm going to write it because

[00:58:07] all the way up until

[00:58:09] that point

[00:58:10] there was no drop of cannibalism and then

[00:58:13] it just dropped it hard and then

[00:58:14] threw a pun in my face

[00:58:16] while I was contemplating

[00:58:18] why this happened

[00:58:20] and like did I miss something

[00:58:22] am I confused and then it's like he's a pun

[00:58:24] I'm like

[00:58:25] ehhh

[00:58:27] thank you

[00:58:29] uh call this every time I make a pun

[00:58:31] that face you give me

[00:58:32] that was me for a minute

[00:58:34] gotcha

[00:58:36] um

[00:58:39] yeah um

[00:58:40] I just

[00:58:42] just want to drive home a little harder that I feel

[00:58:45] the cannibalism angle should have been driven a little

[00:58:47] cut in a little sharper in the first

[00:58:49] story um just to make

[00:58:51] this make a little bit more sense and flow

[00:58:53] better in the second one um

[00:58:55] also looking back at the quote it said

[00:58:57] we had eight orphans

[00:58:59] eight orphans

[00:59:02] so

[00:59:03] in the eating context

[00:59:06] that would be him saying

[00:59:07] we had

[00:59:09] eight orphans like

[00:59:10] but wouldn't he say like

[00:59:14] in the moment of his dying breath wouldn't he say

[00:59:16] we ate orphans not we

[00:59:18] had eight orphans

[00:59:20] and like maybe blame the

[00:59:22] bleacher maybe blame their

[00:59:24] abraninese or whatever the fuck

[00:59:26] but I was about to

[00:59:28] yeah I know you were I was going to cut you off

[00:59:30] so I was able to do it for once

[00:59:33] yeah that's probably it

[00:59:35] but still

[00:59:36] anyway moving way on from all that shit

[00:59:39] to uh ensure a supply of fresh

[00:59:41] meat for their quote unquote feasts

[00:59:42] it had become clear that

[00:59:44] Abraham had to

[00:59:47] had to have kept

[00:59:48] the missing orphan alive for at least

[00:59:50] several months

[00:59:52] yeah because like there's no way an orphanage could ever

[00:59:54] get like donations of normal food or nothing right

[00:59:57] like this is the only way

[00:59:58] that they could possibly get meat

[01:00:01] yeah that's again

[01:00:02] again that's that's in hindsight

[01:00:04] again in hindsight like when you're reading that

[01:00:07] yeah that like you're wondering

[01:00:08] why they're eating redot or in capitalism

[01:00:10] but then there's this bargain thing that's

[01:00:12] brought up of this like supernatural element

[01:00:16] that so like it wasn't just because

[01:00:18] they needed to eat

[01:00:19] they needed the meat and so that is because

[01:00:21] there was something else and more sinister

[01:00:24] going on in the background

[01:00:25] yeah it's just it was shown

[01:00:27] to the kids like oh here we finally

[01:00:29] got some meat

[01:00:30] to make it like seem special to them

[01:00:33] or whatever but like it's not because they

[01:00:35] theoretically couldn't get

[01:00:37] meat otherwise

[01:00:40] fair enough

[01:00:41] and then um so we get to

[01:00:43] the ending where like the spirit

[01:00:46] the child is like a spirit

[01:00:47] that's like attached to sachi now

[01:00:49] is making her cook candlestick meals for her

[01:00:51] own children right now

[01:00:54] so so that this spirit

[01:00:55] can be passed on to her own children I guess

[01:00:57] is the how it basically

[01:00:59] is going um

[01:01:01] so does that mean that the child that

[01:01:03] Abraham was cutting up was not the same

[01:01:05] child as the spirit

[01:01:07] or are they one and the same

[01:01:11] because like Abraham

[01:01:12] was brought forth a deal

[01:01:14] that he had to do this stuff

[01:01:16] and chop up a child

[01:01:18] and then

[01:01:19] the kids were seeing the apparition

[01:01:22] of a child show up and disappear

[01:01:24] so was that the demon

[01:01:26] that is possessing them

[01:01:28] that is um hassling

[01:01:29] or that was hassling the father

[01:01:32] um but not actually

[01:01:34] the physical child that was being

[01:01:36] chopped up in the orphanage like did he look

[01:01:38] really different see

[01:01:40] that's why I think like

[01:01:42] van like again we

[01:01:44] suddenly get this like like he died when he

[01:01:46] died they the only thing of value that they found on

[01:01:48] him was this this girl's locket

[01:01:50] which said vanna

[01:01:52] so I think you're kind of on the

[01:01:54] on you're on the right track here like

[01:01:55] the ghost of the boy wasn't

[01:01:58] the one that was being fed to the children

[01:02:00] in the orphanage that was a little

[01:02:02] girl named vanna

[01:02:04] and the boy is just

[01:02:06] the demon spirit or evil spirit or maybe

[01:02:08] like the original spirit of

[01:02:10] the of the first victim

[01:02:12] of this cannibalistic right

[01:02:14] or ritual

[01:02:16] um that

[01:02:17] like from like from further down the line

[01:02:20] like maybe this was maybe it did start when

[01:02:22] like again father

[01:02:23] abraham was a child and was fed

[01:02:26] flesh for some reason like again

[01:02:28] there's there's a lot of questions

[01:02:30] I'm not denying that

[01:02:31] there's a lot of questions

[01:02:34] just for me it didn't ruin the story

[01:02:37] as much

[01:02:38] but um

[01:02:40] yeah there is definitely like

[01:02:42] like a lot of out of context

[01:02:43] sort of like weirdness going on in the

[01:02:46] and like by the end of the story

[01:02:47] yeah for sure but yeah that's about it

[01:02:50] for my notes until final

[01:02:51] alright well on to

[01:02:53] final thoughts then

[01:02:55] yeah I'm I'm still gonna recommend it

[01:02:58] um the story does

[01:03:00] leave me with a lot of questions

[01:03:03] but I don't

[01:03:04] necessarily feel ripped off by the outcome

[01:03:06] of part two um

[01:03:07] and the answers and

[01:03:09] revelations we do get

[01:03:11] for me we're well worth the read

[01:03:14] uh like from

[01:03:15] part one to part two I do feel like

[01:03:17] you do need to read part one and part two

[01:03:19] in the same in like

[01:03:20] in relatively uh

[01:03:22] in consecutive order and in the same

[01:03:25] like in the same day basically

[01:03:26] like I think this is basically like these

[01:03:29] this two part really should just be one story

[01:03:31] because you need to read part one and two

[01:03:33] like reading part two alone

[01:03:35] you're not it's you're doing yourself

[01:03:37] a disservice because you need to read part one to get

[01:03:39] context for part two so

[01:03:41] yeah but oh yeah ultimately I still

[01:03:43] will recommend this one because I really enjoyed the read

[01:03:45] and the dark twist we got

[01:03:47] because I knew Father Abraham was

[01:03:49] was uh was doing some

[01:03:51] dark shit I just didn't expect

[01:03:54] I we were I was completely

[01:03:55] off of what kind of dark shit he was into

[01:03:57] or he was doing

[01:04:00] um but also

[01:04:02] he

[01:04:05] he didn't have

[01:04:06] a redemption

[01:04:07] but like he

[01:04:09] it did show some complexity to

[01:04:11] his character in that

[01:04:13] yes he was doing this horrible he was doing

[01:04:15] these two horrible things both hypnotizing the

[01:04:17] children to make them forget things

[01:04:18] and also um

[01:04:21] making them flesh but

[01:04:23] also he you could tell that he was a tortured

[01:04:25] soul himself because

[01:04:27] he did care for the children and he

[01:04:29] was a fatherly figure to them and like

[01:04:31] he saw them as his children

[01:04:33] and he seemed to

[01:04:35] by like halfway through the events and

[01:04:37] so that he did seem to sacrifice himself

[01:04:38] for the children

[01:04:41] um and then also when a monster

[01:04:42] he didn't want to do it he had to do it

[01:04:45] yeah exactly he was he was a victim

[01:04:47] as much as the the children were

[01:04:48] it seems in the story

[01:04:50] we also don't know

[01:04:52] why he had to do it so for all we know

[01:04:55] he had to do it because

[01:04:57] the

[01:04:58] the the the the

[01:04:59] the fricken the crab people

[01:05:02] told him to you know yeah yeah exactly

[01:05:04] like I'm not again I'm not saying like he's

[01:05:06] completely redeemed by the end but like

[01:05:07] he has some complexity to his character

[01:05:09] that what that isn't just like oh he was

[01:05:12] a psychopath and he or he was doing this because

[01:05:13] he liked it and he was actually just like

[01:05:15] yeah he was a good kid he was good to his

[01:05:17] to the kids he he spared but like he was also

[01:05:19] horrible monster like there there's a little

[01:05:21] more complexity to his character that I enjoyed in

[01:05:23] the story yeah and that I because I was

[01:05:25] and I was by from part one I remember

[01:05:27] like it seems it sounds like father

[01:05:30] the father was doing some dark shit to these

[01:05:33] children

[01:05:33] I really hope not because he seemed like such a nice

[01:05:36] guy and the second one is like haha I knew

[01:05:38] it but then I get reading a little bit further

[01:05:41] it's like damn it he's still complex

[01:05:43] so good

[01:05:44] there's still some good in him damn it

[01:05:48] but yeah so I just be a full monster

[01:05:50] I mean

[01:05:52] it made me know

[01:05:53] like yes and no like yes

[01:05:56] simplest like simply

[01:05:57] yes because like

[01:06:00] then I have a target to like

[01:06:01] like oh my god that guy's bad he deserves

[01:06:04] all the shit he had like that happened to him

[01:06:06] um but like this way

[01:06:07] he's much more complex and cool and or

[01:06:09] much more complex and interesting from a

[01:06:12] narrative point of view so you should say

[01:06:13] cool I just imagine him with sunglasses

[01:06:15] all of a sudden just sunglasses

[01:06:18] like drift down

[01:06:19] from the sky yeah

[01:06:22] but no like I just like

[01:06:25] that's why I will recommend the story like for

[01:06:27] me I enjoyed the journey and enjoyed the

[01:06:29] reading from both parts

[01:06:32] and like the twists and turns

[01:06:34] we got so yeah

[01:06:36] that's why I'm gonna recommend it

[01:06:38] Mikey these dense reform

[01:06:42] um well

[01:06:43] I think I might have come across

[01:06:45] a somewhat thought whole

[01:06:49] so

[01:06:51] how exactly

[01:06:52] does she know that

[01:06:53] she must sacrifice a child

[01:06:57] uh and feed its flesh to another

[01:06:59] because the

[01:07:01] creature or monster

[01:07:03] no arms and legs just um

[01:07:05] just laying there looking at her

[01:07:07] hissing in agony

[01:07:09] and then it like

[01:07:11] that's the thing is that it

[01:07:13] it's beside her hissing all the time

[01:07:16] when she tries to sleep

[01:07:18] how can it

[01:07:19] whisper evils into her

[01:07:21] ear and torment her thoughts

[01:07:23] if all he can do is

[01:07:25] hiss okay

[01:07:27] supernatural thing

[01:07:29] it's probably

[01:07:31] outwardly but it's like sending her

[01:07:33] messages into her head

[01:07:35] I don't know

[01:07:37] I mean that's the closest we got unless

[01:07:41] like close to his death

[01:07:43] Abraham actually told her what

[01:07:45] the hell's going on and she like you

[01:07:47] have to carry the torch now you gotta do it

[01:07:50] as he's laying there dying

[01:07:51] in his hospital though with his cool

[01:07:53] sunglasses on except that's

[01:07:55] not what happened to him at all I know

[01:07:57] I know I know she only learned

[01:07:59] about his death from Chana on a

[01:08:01] phone call I'm trying to find

[01:08:03] a way that she could have found out because

[01:08:05] it is she found out super naturally

[01:08:08] it's a fucking ghost or

[01:08:09] demon or whatever yeah

[01:08:12] or whatever we don't know

[01:08:13] it could be

[01:08:15] some kind of weird like

[01:08:17] dimensional demon or alien

[01:08:20] it's probably that fucking goat thing that lives in the corner

[01:08:24] oh you're back on that now

[01:08:26] oh I will always be on that

[01:08:30] I love corner goats

[01:08:36] sounds like an off-shooted corner gas or something

[01:08:38] like corner going

[01:08:40] it's just

[01:08:41] a mix between like corner gas and

[01:08:43] men who stare at goats the

[01:08:46] movie about that psychic

[01:08:48] warfare training thing from the 70s

[01:08:50] or 60s where like people were

[01:08:52] they were trying to get people to

[01:08:54] psychically blow up goats

[01:08:56] fuck

[01:08:56] that was a real

[01:08:59] not sure if it's a real real but it was a conspiracy

[01:09:01] thing about in the same vein as

[01:09:04] MKUltra

[01:09:05] where they were trying to

[01:09:07] like the US government was competing

[01:09:09] with the Russians because they heard the Russians were doing

[01:09:11] similar research of like psychic

[01:09:13] agents and Psyops

[01:09:15] and stuff so they

[01:09:17] there was this one

[01:09:19] instance where they had

[01:09:21] they were running experiments to see

[01:09:23] if they could get somebody to

[01:09:25] psychically blow up people

[01:09:29] their subjects

[01:09:31] for their initial

[01:09:33] fodder was goats

[01:09:35] so they just

[01:09:36] sit in a room with a goat and

[01:09:38] try and just like blow it up with their mind

[01:09:40] I mean one time I went camping

[01:09:43] I started a fire with my mind so

[01:09:44] I believe it

[01:09:47] okay

[01:09:48] I actually did

[01:09:51] this isn't even a bit

[01:09:52] one time I went camping

[01:09:54] I'm not even joking

[01:09:56] I wish I was joking

[01:10:00] Joe the theater

[01:10:02] dude

[01:10:02] his name

[01:10:04] his moniker on our show

[01:10:08] basically

[01:10:09] we went camping

[01:10:11] and we found the campsites

[01:10:13] okay yeah we'll camp here

[01:10:15] I remember the story

[01:10:17] I'm like just setting up a couple of

[01:10:19] camp chairs and just sat down

[01:10:22] for a minute because there's a bit

[01:10:23] of a hike to get there or whatever

[01:10:25] and then I'm just looking at the fire

[01:10:26] and then it just starts

[01:10:29] I didn't do anything

[01:10:31] that was your innate ninja ability

[01:10:33] yeah

[01:10:38] it was weird

[01:10:41] it totally magical

[01:10:42] I totally not just because

[01:10:45] whoever used that last

[01:10:46] did not

[01:10:48] extinguish the fire properly

[01:10:49] there were still some coals at the bottom of the fire pit

[01:10:52] yeah

[01:10:53] no it was because I know Matt

[01:10:55] yeah clearly

[01:10:56] or maybe you have laser eyes

[01:10:59] yeah

[01:11:01] but they're like

[01:11:02] actual laser eyes where like

[01:11:03] you wouldn't see the beams so like you don't know

[01:11:06] when I'm using my laser eyes

[01:11:07] you're using psychic laser eyes

[01:11:13] wow

[01:11:15] that's my connective t-shirt's time

[01:11:17] we just went down a rabbit hole there

[01:11:20] a little bit

[01:11:22] but yeah

[01:11:23] okay so

[01:11:24] the issue

[01:11:28] or one of the big issues that we brought up

[01:11:31] is the

[01:11:33] cannibal

[01:11:34] part of this coming out of left town

[01:11:38] because

[01:11:39] none of us saw it in the first part

[01:11:43] and it's a twist

[01:11:44] that's in the middle when

[01:11:48] hindsight it would probably have been better

[01:11:50] at the end of part one

[01:11:55] just as a

[01:11:56] revelation at the end like oh

[01:11:58] that's why he said

[01:12:00] what he did with the we

[01:12:02] had eight orphans

[01:12:05] yeah imagine if it

[01:12:06] ended with that line

[01:12:09] that would have been so good

[01:12:10] I will give you that

[01:12:12] I like it the way it is

[01:12:14] but I will concede that

[01:12:16] this story would also be really cool

[01:12:18] if it had all part one

[01:12:20] and then we had a little bit extra on part one

[01:12:22] where the revelation was

[01:12:24] it was like the eighth or

[01:12:26] it wasn't eight orphans they ate orphans

[01:12:28] and like all that stuff

[01:12:30] at the end of part one

[01:12:32] and then that we never got part two

[01:12:34] we never got any of the context as to like

[01:12:36] what was going on in that orphanage

[01:12:38] it would also work as that

[01:12:40] I will concede to that

[01:12:44] yeah

[01:12:48] and then

[01:12:52] the

[01:12:53] whole

[01:12:55] added confusion

[01:12:57] about this monster demon

[01:12:58] like is it only

[01:13:01] haunting

[01:13:02] satya or is it haunting the other orphans

[01:13:05] it adds so many questions

[01:13:08] about this

[01:13:11] that weren't there

[01:13:13] previously

[01:13:15] so

[01:13:18] I just can't recommend this

[01:13:22] alright fair

[01:13:24] gamer

[01:13:25] I'm more or less going to be piling on

[01:13:28] to what

[01:13:29] like you said because

[01:13:32] it adds a lot

[01:13:34] but is it really needed

[01:13:37] because in hindsight

[01:13:39] I liked how the previous story was left

[01:13:41] off

[01:13:42] it told us a lot

[01:13:43] without telling us everything

[01:13:45] so we had to fill in the gaps with our own ideas

[01:13:48] of what happened

[01:13:49] this one lays out

[01:13:51] what happened for sure

[01:13:53] without going into full backstory on the demon

[01:13:57] but it drops it in a matter

[01:13:59] that's so matter of fact

[01:14:00] that it bothered me

[01:14:01] as I said earlier

[01:14:04] it dropped the cannibalism like it was already mentioned

[01:14:06] as a twist at the end of the previous story

[01:14:09] meanwhile it wasn't

[01:14:10] and if it was

[01:14:12] I would have been okay with it

[01:14:17] but

[01:14:17] I was like

[01:14:19] yeah

[01:14:20] I was confused with the whole cannibalism

[01:14:22] and took me for a loop

[01:14:23] and that's why I was struggling with this

[01:14:26] entry of the story

[01:14:28] it kind of bugged me the whole way

[01:14:30] through the whole read

[01:14:32] and by the end is like

[01:14:34] is the 8th orphan a real person

[01:14:37] is a spirit or is the actual

[01:14:39] meat supplying 8th orphan

[01:14:41] someone that no one ever saw

[01:14:42] and the spirit is separate

[01:14:44] because it's kind of

[01:14:46] talked about like the one that was

[01:14:48] like stalking the child

[01:14:49] the children and stuff

[01:14:52] was the one that was being cut up but

[01:14:53] that doesn't make sense actually

[01:14:56] I was joking about it in the first one where

[01:14:57] the 8th orphans walk around

[01:15:00] on dubs basically and he's like

[01:15:01] very quickly running away somehow

[01:15:03] without limbs and stuff like that

[01:15:05] so it does make more sense that he's a spirit

[01:15:08] and I like that it's

[01:15:10] quote unquote

[01:15:12] explained that it is

[01:15:13] even though it's kind of not

[01:15:16] but

[01:15:18] all in all

[01:15:20] I personally would

[01:15:22] out of this two

[01:15:24] parter I

[01:15:25] personally would recommend just reading the first one

[01:15:27] not reading the second at all

[01:15:29] because the second just added a whole bunch

[01:15:31] of confusion on top of what was already

[01:15:33] a great story and it ended great

[01:15:35] and I liked it the way it was

[01:15:38] if these were

[01:15:39] sort of combined or at least

[01:15:41] if the

[01:15:43] A.T.E

[01:15:45] was dropped and the cannibalism

[01:15:47] was dropped at the end of the first story

[01:15:49] I'd be fine with that

[01:15:50] and then we continue on to this story

[01:15:53] and then I would be fine with this

[01:15:54] that's really the crux of my whole

[01:15:57] issue is where

[01:16:00] the drop

[01:16:01] is dropped and how it's dropped

[01:16:03] so if that was swapped around a little bit

[01:16:05] I would fully recommend both but as it

[01:16:07] stands

[01:16:08] with the stories as is I would recommend reading

[01:16:11] the first one and just leave it up

[01:16:13] to your imagination of what happened

[01:16:15] because I enjoyed that better than

[01:16:17] this read of the second one unfortunately

[01:16:19] okay

[01:16:21] well that will do it for this week's episode so

[01:16:23] one recommendation

[01:16:25] and two non recommendations

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