ADR - Episode 536: Summer Break 2017

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh hello and welcome to Adente Rigamortis. I'm Review Cultist.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Mik.E, the East End Trio.

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm the Gamer in Yellow.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're here to discuss those internet stories most creepy and most pasta and be

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: critically silly doing it.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And tonight we have.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We're taking a step back to move forward with Summer Break 2017.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So back in 2019, we covered a story called Summer Break, which was part of the

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Curtisville stories by MMPrat99.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And like they've put they have a ton of stories that we covered a bunch of them

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: set in Curtisville, this like whimsical horror kind of setting they've come up

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: with on the West Coast of North America.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, we covered Summer Break back then in 2019.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And since then, we actually got a message that I totally didn't forget about.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course not. Why would you?

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was it was that there was a they had done a retelling of Summer

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Break, i.e. Summer Break 2017, as well as we have also got a couple of links for a

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: bunch of other stories that were connected like a prequel story and some

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like spin off stories from things that were mentioned in that story.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So were those prequels and such set up the first time we read Summer Break or

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: no? I'm not sure.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I know. So we Summer Break was at the end of a series of stories that in Creep

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: on Creepos.wiki, like at the bottom of each story had like a next and previous

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: arrow. And so we followed that, I think, for like a bunch of the stories like

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Farleith and the Curious Little Thing or something like that, some of those

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: stories. And yeah, Summer Break kind of was the last one because like there

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: was no other next. So but we covered all the stories prior to that one.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess like the author here, M.M.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Pratt, decided to do some other prequel like a prequel or some other spin off

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: stories either since or maybe before that and just an add it because it

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't like 100 percent necessary to the plot.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so we're going to cover Summer Break 2017, which is a

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: according to M.M.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Pratt was a retelling of Summer Break.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And since this is the end of summer, I figure this would be a great spot to put

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: this story to do the story.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So just as this story begins summer, we're ending summer.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so you can check out Summer Break 2017 on Creepos.wiki, along

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: with all of the other M.M.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Pratt stories of Curtisville and associated stories.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But before we get too far ahead, now that we've gone to that little diatribe,

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: let's give our initial recommendations.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to recommend it.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You sound so sad.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also not going to recommend it.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, fuck you guys, I'm going to give it a partial.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, OK. Maybe maybe you can maybe you can shed some light on onto the story that I

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: didn't see and maybe it'll change or change my my view.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it'll ever change.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Mikey's I mean, his is no no no set in stone.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got to he will die on hills.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he has died on multiple hills and been resurrected multiple times.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. But yeah, let's let's find out why we gave the story those

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: those those non recommendations or partial recommendations, starting with the rundown.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So featuring Nair, partially Nair anyway, until like halfway through the story,

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: until until like until like a few paragraphs late into the story.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. So Nair is going over the death of a person named Ellie Lambert, who,

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: according to the official records, died of an aneurysm while asleep.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But according to Amanda, younger sister of Vanessa, who are involved in the

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: incident as well, I think Ellie's death involved a situation where Nair shot

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: a phantasmal beast version of Ellie's consciousness when it left her body.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: They appear to still be at the scene of the crime.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe. Anyway, much to Vanessa's scoffing for traversing shady creepy

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: pasta sites, Amanda shows Nair a story that might help reveal things regarding

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: the weirdness of this current case.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So the story and that story is Summer Break, the story, the same story

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that we covered back in 2019 and the early the earlier version of the

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: current tale, albeit a bit less whimsically modern fantasy than before.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So. In this story that we now are suddenly starting reading, Olivia, the

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_03]: narrator of that tale, is going to summer camp, but as she is waiting on

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: the bus and reading a newspaper, she recalls the story from a few years

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: prior that her weird triplet sisters told her about the camp, some local

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: fires, some deaths and an urban legend in their hometown of Curtisville.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Apparently, while the previously mentioned big fire and some deaths were

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: being looked into across town, Olivia's sisters encountered a strange

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: phantasmal entity at their window of an obnoxious girl from their school

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: who was holding a severed hand of another victim of weirdness that

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: night. And after they shot a flare gun through their window to try

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and get rid of the apparition and getting in trouble with their parents

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and authorities, they ran down to their yard and amidst some dogs that

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: were there as well, chased a strange gray headless figure around their

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: house, around their property before finding an even stranger photo in

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: among the then result.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The photo had five girls hovering off the ground by an old wall.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Their faces smeared and like blurred.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: This same photo that they showed Olivia years prior slipped out of the

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: newspaper Olivia was now reading on the bus going to her camp, despite

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the fact that it had supposedly been locked away in one of the

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: sisters' desks at home.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The photo shows the same thing, the girls hovering above the ground in

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: front of that wall with the smeared faces. But now there are four girls

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: in the photo, not five.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We then cut back or cut forward again to Nair in the present from

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the wraparound part of the story. In finishing reading the story we

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: have just read and the story I guess on Amanda's iPad or something.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And upon noting its strangeness asks what it has to do with the current

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: situation, you and me both Nair but we'll get to that.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: When a scream is heard downstairs, the mayor, by the way this all

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: took place in the mayor's house apparently, saw something shocking

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: amidst a pile of presents when the family dog was snooping about as

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: dogs sometimes do in the pile. There is a box and when unwrapped it

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: reveals the same hand though now desiccated from Olivia's sister's

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: story and it's holding the photo of the girls hovering off the

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_03]: ground except now there's three girls in the photo.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Finn? I guess for now? Yeah, that's the story of Summer Break 2017.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So I suppose with that out of the way we shall move on to

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone, tolerance of grammar inquisitions at this point.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So I actually went through and read over my previous version of

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_03]: the story, Summer Break, like the original version of the story

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and also went through my previous notes, grammar, like

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: separate documents to see if there were any notes that I had

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: done for this story that maybe overlapped. So I have since

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: removed a bunch of ones that we actually covered in that

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: episode that I already

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I was like, Oh, maybe like check to make sure

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not like redoing the same like, grammar inquisition

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: that we covered like, what four years ago now? Yeah.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably five now Jesus Christ. Yeah. So I believe what I have

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: now are new issues of the in the iteration of the story not

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: covered from the previous version. So yeah, just that the

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: my little heads up for my grammar position here. Okay,

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: so starting with this one here. That fact was true verified by

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the Renee police report with a death certificate signed by the

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: chief medical examiner at a Renee morgue. A Renee morgue?

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: How many mores they got in this place anyhow? Yo. Yeah, I

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: think it's just it's supposed to be the Renee morgue.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Why can't there be multiple?

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I guess there could be multiple.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Seriously, I guess it could be this. I might be the nitpick

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: note. But like it felt like there should be it should be

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the rename morgue not a rename or like, I don't think Renee is

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_03]: a big town that has like multiple morgues.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't know how do you know I honestly don't I tried

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_03]: looking up Renee and and Swanwick, the town that's like

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like neighboring Renee said that Renee is the town where

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: they sent this all this forensic stuff to because like they had

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the best technology and the best this the best that the

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: best trained people to do it. So it doesn't sound like it's

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: a small hick town.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, maybe maybe you're right. It's still like, it's

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: weird that like, I still think it's odd that like, like

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: even like a large town would have like multiple morgues but

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: like maybe I'm in the wrong there. But

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: regardless, even if it just said, like the Renee morgue,

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: like that's fine, because there still could be multiple even if

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you're just saying it's the

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, fair.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it does. It does sound weird saying a rename

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: work. You're right.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll move on.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: However, she assured me, I wasn't one to make stuff up

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and unlike Amanda, who's a bit of a scatterbrain, I

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: seem to be a generally sensible and rational

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what is this Olivia or Vanessa saying this to Nair or

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: like is this is the I supposed to be like Vanessa or is it

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: supposed to be near? Like, it's like however she assured me.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, to me, it feels like it shouldn't be like however she

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: assured me I wasn't one to make stuff up and unlike Amanda

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: blah, blah, blah. It feels like that to be Vanessa saying

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: like, so like however she assured me, she wasn't one to

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: make stuff up and unlike Amanda, who's a bit of a scatterbrain,

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: she seemed to be a generally sensible and rational individual.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because like Nair isn't bringing this stuff up right

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: now.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. And like I was almost wondering if it's like

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_03]: perhaps this is like almost supposed to be like a

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_03]: dialogue but like we don't get the quotations for a

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: dialogue so it's like

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it would be like however she assured me quote, I

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: wasn't one to make stuff up and unlike Amanda blah,

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: blah, blah.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. So I think it should just with those eyes

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: should be changed to she just like we know that's Vanessa

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that is being referenced not like somebody else. So but

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll move on to the next thing. As my dad pulled the

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: station wagon over into a spot onto the main street, I

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: looked over. So this might again not maybe a nitpick

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: thing. I think it should either be pull the station wagon

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: over over, over in or over into a spot on the main

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: street, or on Main Street, not on to the main street.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fine.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I read it a couple. I've read this over a couple

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: times. Yeah, I think this is just like me being really

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: nitpicky. But like, it feels like the two didn't need

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: to be there in the writing. Yeah, I can sort of see

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that. So the station wager into a spot on the main

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: street.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah, onto the main street on. It's like, is

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: it pull the station wagon over into a spot on the

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: main street or onto the main street or on Main

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Street? Like, I think all of them work to be honest,

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe you're right. I might just be really like

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: lounging the picnic here, but it bugged me the

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: first time and then like, I yeah, so but I'll move

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: on to the next couple that I have that are

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: actually just like, they should be compounded

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: words. So like, through the bug flecked wind

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: shield, I could see a crowd of fidgety kids and

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: their parents windshield is two separate words in

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: the story. I think it should be one word

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: windshield.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Bug flecked needs a dash in between.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, there is a dash. There is a dash and

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: bug flecked.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I didn't Google it. Or sorry, I didn't

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: certain control f it to check first.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Fair. And then the other two I have are about

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: backpack, which is like, I think backpack should

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: be one word not two separate words, which in

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: the story it is like, picking up sleeping bag,

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: my picking up my sleeping bag and backpack. I

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: hurried. And then later on, it's, I was just

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: glad I stowed my delicate camera and binoculars

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: in my backpack, and not in my suitcase.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But there also has a forward pack like a front

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: pack. No, that's not any pack.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Fanny pack maybe. But also fanny pack, I

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: believe is actually one word as well.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, shit.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You're trying you're trying so hard.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And then two words actually.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's always

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: all right. All right.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Am I wrong about backpack? No, you're not.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Is why would there be consistencies? Right?

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. Welcome to the English language.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But the next one I have is I speak of

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: inconsistencies. This one here. hippopotamus

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: my butt snapped Kyoko. I'll have you know,

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: blah, blah, blah, and it goes on. So the

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: whole time the story references one of the

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: older sisters of of Olivia as Kyoto. But

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: this is the one case in the story where for

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: some reason her name is now Kyoko. So I

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: think there's just like a simple typo where

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: like, they accidentally put a K Wow.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, you're totally right. I did not

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: even catch that.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, to be fair, I've read the

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: story now like three times. Yeah, that's

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: fair. Because like, because I read the

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: story once and then I read the original

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: story to try and see what the differences

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: were. And then I read this story again,

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: just so I was like, because I read the

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: first time I read the story. Um, I wasn't

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: sure if I was in like a bad mood or

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: not, because like, I was like, kind of

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_03]: like, I was just confused by some things

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: in the story. So I reread it after I

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: had read the original story to try and

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: see if like maybe a fresh day, like

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: as the day had gone by, so like a

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: fresh, a fresh mind and maybe like,

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: might like help shed some light on like,

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: my my issues with the story.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So do this in a such more like a

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: higher intelligence level than I do.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Me, I'm like, I care so much.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Me, I'm like, I finished airing.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, shit, it's 11 o'clock.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I should start reading.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That's tomorrow. Yeah, exactly.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I got through the intro.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll finish it in the morning.

[00:17:09] Yeah, God damn it.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Glad my co-hosts are so invested

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in this show.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not that we're bringing

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: different energy levels because like,

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's like if you do a

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: whole bunch of reading, that's like

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: your wheelhouse.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're like super fancy, I guess,

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: then you just kind of want to read it

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: as is that they call you immediately.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Or if you just like a rush state,

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like it's a difference between

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: like somebody who's like, man,

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: really into creep bosses and so

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: on. And then there's that one guy

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: who just like gets keeps getting

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: linked creep bosses by their friend.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I guess I'll give this a

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: read. Yeah.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to me joining the show.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, basically.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: To be fair, like I've had moments

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: like that as well, like with like

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: in real life when somebody's like

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: sends me a creep pasta link and

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: like I will get excited later.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But like the sometimes my first

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: like initials, like, all right,

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll check that out.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a couple of days go by.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, I should check that link

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that I was sent.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so I'll move on to

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: the next thing I have here,

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: though.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: She was a dwarfish rather

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: unpleasant born again twit

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: of a seventh grader with a

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: fanatical streak.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like born

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and again should be connected

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: by a dash

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: in the same way that seventh grader

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: in the story or in the sentences

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: like seventh grader has a dash

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: between seventh and greater.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like born again should

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: also have that because it's like

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: born again Christian or born again

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like evangelical kind of thing.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So moving on to the next one, I

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: have up until now, I thought

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: it was just a regular run of the

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: mill flare gun.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And the burglar was one

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: of the Janes

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: skank toadies snooping

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: around trying to come

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: up with some dirt on us.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like it should be one of

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Jane's scant or

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: skank toadies, not

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: the the the the they're

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: like the Jane is not needed.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, you don't know.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally have it.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, unless I like,

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know these characters

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: are pretty derisive about

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: this Jane character already from

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: the story.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So but I don't

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: think they'd they'd refer to her

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: as the Jane like some kind

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_03]: of beast or something, a monster

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, it's the Jane.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the next one I have here

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: is, well,

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: we were so peeved by this creepy

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: in what we thought was

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: just a costume that we decided

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: to make a citizen's arrest.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think creepy should actually

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: just get rid of the why there.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like we were

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: peeved of this creep in what we

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: thought was just a costume.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Blah, blah, blah.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And then my last one

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: here is.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But we did, but we

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: did we find, but

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_03]: we did we find something

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting?

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it's dialogue, but

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I was pretty sure that second

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: we should not be there like,

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but we did find

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: something interesting.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Or unless it was trying to say,

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: but we did, we did find

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: something like unless it was like

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: we're trying to repeat it like

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that. But like I don't that's

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: doesn't seem like that.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it seems like it was

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_03]: just like an accidental duplicate

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: word.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but that's the end of my

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: grammar acquisition.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Again, I had a bunch of other

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: ones, but I removed them

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: because they were duplicates

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: from back when we

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: covered the original summer

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: break story.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Mikey, these stands for evil.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: What do you have?

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Here.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We all decided to ignore her

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: completely, hoping that

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe she would just

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: get bored and bother

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: someone for a change.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel it needs to be someone

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: else for a change.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to bother anyone.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And then

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the next one I have here

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: is dialogue,

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm still not giving

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: it a pass.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it remained me of

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: raw bread dough.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: All of these.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this one is actually was

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: from my original my

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: grammar position and it was

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: supposed to be reminded me of

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: them.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, it's one of those things

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: where it's like, well, this

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: is a revised edition of the

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: story.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is there still so many

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: grammar issues?

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's quite actually

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a big thing about that

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: in my like in my actual

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: thoughts. But yeah, the story

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so the big thing I noticed

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: between summer break,

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: the original one and some

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: break 2017 aside from the

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: wraparound story, which is

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: not in the original.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The it seems like the

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: original like this this

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: version is

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: like the 2017 retelling

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: isn't really a retelling so

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: much as it's a copy pasta

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: of the original story in the

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: middle of another story.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And they've sort

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: of the the narrator has

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: reduced or

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: changed the names of

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: likes certain whimsical

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: creatures and stuff like

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that from the previous

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: story and made them more

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: mundane human

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like groups rather

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: than like monsters and stuff.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like when it talks about

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like like like

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the disappearances were

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_03]: blamed on like Goths or

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: junkies or scenes and

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff like that. Those in

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: the original one, those are

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like like vampires and

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: werewolves and ghouls and

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's it's it's

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: not exactly a retelling so

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: much as just like

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: the same story just

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: thrown like put into a

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: into another store like

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: put into another story

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and and some of the

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: names were changed.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like all the same problems

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: seem to have still exist.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: conjunction junction.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And next stop, conjunction

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_00]: junction.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And yet on other days,

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: everything seems to be

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_00]: going great until a sinkhole

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: suddenly opens up while

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you were rollerblading

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: or a small plane crash

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: lands into your backyard,

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: taking out your tree house.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But I wasn't thinking

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: about that at that moment.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a fine weekday

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: morning and a cool

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: breeze was blowing from

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: the Pacific.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It felt good, but I

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: knew this refreshing

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: breeze wasn't going to

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: last once we reached

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the mountains and by

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: the time we got to

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: the Willow Creek

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Riders Camp, it was

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be stifling

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: hot and muggy.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was what they

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: told me afterwards

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: that scared me even more

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: than any horror movie

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_00]: or scary campfire

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: story out there

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: because the incident

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: actually occurred in

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: my hometown and

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: would spawn a new

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: urban legend.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But didn't the police

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: find the remains of

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: only six kids along

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: with their parents

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: in their burnt out mansion?

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's also sprouted antlers

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: from the top of its

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_00]: bestial head and long

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: black talons burst

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: from its spidery fingers.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Its eyes grew huge

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and red as it broke

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: out of its prison

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and made good its escape

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: into the dark forest

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: area around town,

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: venturing forth to

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: devour domestic

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: animals before

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: eventually turning

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_00]: its murderous attention

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: on various townsfolk,

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_00]: including its entire family.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It was sounding so

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: much like that of

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: another infamous

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: mutant misanthrope

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_00]: who was currently

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: terrorizing local residents

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: in the southern

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: New Jersey area.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And the Chalmers

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: mutated seventh daughter

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: who ate all those animals,

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: then all those Jehovah's

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Witnesses

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_00]: before ripping her

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: family to shreds

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and then setting

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the house on fire.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And they say

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_00]: she's still out there.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And I suppose

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: this Frankenstein kid

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: also killed those two girls

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: on Azalea Ave as well.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was also a school night.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Izumi quickly chimed in.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when you saw

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: the thing crawling around.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It was shocking,

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely shocking.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It was pitch black,

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but we could see still

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: see enough

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: because it was pale

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: gray and luminous looking.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But I knew who it was.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It was Jane Woodley's face.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It remained me of raw bread dough.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Kyoto continued on

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: soft and pale as a mushroom.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And then these two hands

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: appeared below this thing's face.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But she got let go

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: with a citation

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: when witnesses came forward

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: saying that she wasn't

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: anywhere near the Chalmers mansion

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: when the blaze took place.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like a fat,

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: headless human made out of soiled

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: rags and jellyfish slide.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Really gross looking.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like something straight

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: out of a Looney Tunes cartoon.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And by then, mom, dad

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and most of the neighbors were out

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: wondering if they had

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: finally gone off the deep end.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But we did we find

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: something interesting,

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: said Izumi brightly.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what I found

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: most frightening about the picture now?

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I finally replied.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the Marx Brothers meet

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: H.P. Lovecraft

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're not even supposed to be

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: on those creepy story websites.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It shattered the still night air

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: of the Mayor's residence,

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: causing all three of us

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: to bolt upright,

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: then scramble downstairs

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: in the direction

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: of the spacious living room bar lounge.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It was in a pile of unopened presents.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_00]: The small,

[00:28:43] bespackeled

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: bespectacled man muttered,

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_00]: struggling to hold the tall woman up.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Its shriveled,

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: blackened digits clutched

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: a torn and dirty photo,

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like the one mentioned in the story,

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: showing those girls

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: hovering in space

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: in front of what looked like

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: an old stonewall.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Blurry, watery smears for faces.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Congrats, you have made the story.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: More confusing.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think that was possible.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It happens when we read

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: just the sentences that start with words

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that they probably shouldn't

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like it says or buts,

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it's always better word to use.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, you point out like

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: you reading certain sentences

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: in this also point out something

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that I think I missed

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_03]: in my grammar position,

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but I feel like we should probably bring up.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: There are also a lot of run on sentences

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: in this story.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That I felt like I like they aren't

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: like there's some of them

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that I give a pass,

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but the some of them

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: is like this really needs

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to be like chopped a bit like.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And well,

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure I mentioned run on

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the last time we did this story,

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: so I left it out.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, I've said that

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like you should bring up

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the same problems

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: if the problems aren't fixed.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I know I know I know.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I didn't I didn't know

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_04]: like I forgot I didn't have

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: your notes guys to let.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I had what my not you,

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: but that's my bad.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, it's fine.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a gamer.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What do we got?

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I only got a couple.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Oddly enough, I only had these two

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I missed pretty much.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually not pretty much

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: literally every single

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: grammar related thing

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that you guys brought up.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I did not catch

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: or if I caught it,

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like whatever.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now the question remains

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_03]: making a note of it.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Question is,

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: are the two notes that you have

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: were they previously mentioned

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_03]: in the in your reading

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_03]: of the original story?

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to give me

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: a few minutes ago check.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you want like no.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, no.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: For the couple of minutes

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to take for me

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to do this is fine.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_04]: This very.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So the first one is literally just

[00:31:11] the.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Where's the story itself?

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, OK, when the actual story

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: itself starts,

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, the the second

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and third paragraph

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: both start with as.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't really like

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the look of that personally.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: A little variety would be nice.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, I don't know if it's

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily like a grammar thing

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: is just like.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too much repetition.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, fair, in my opinion.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then this next one.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a fine weekday morning

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and a cool breeze

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: was blowing from the Pacific.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It felt good,

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but I knew this refreshing breeze

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: wasn't going to last

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: once we reached the mountains.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And by the time we got to

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the Willow Creek writers camp,

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: it was going to be

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: stifling hot and muggy.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So when I first read that

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I stumbled over a little bit,

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: mainly because when it gets to

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_01]: saying and by the time we got to part.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: When I read that,

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I read that as a flow of time passing

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: as in like

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and not like a continued

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: assumption of the future

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: like was supposed to be

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because like it's saying like.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The reason wasn't going to last

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and by the time we got to the camp

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like it made it sound

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: like it was a scene wipe

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're like standing

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: in front of the boss

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about how the breeze is now

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're going to go to the camp.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Or no.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: What's up?

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck yeah, and by the time wait.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It felt good,

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: but I knew that this refreshing breeze

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't going to last

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_03]: once we reached the mountains.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and by the time

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: we got to the Willow Creek

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: ready right now,

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_01]: as soon as that happened,

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, OK,

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: now we're at the writers camp.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, I saw it.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I see.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I see what you mean.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it it to me.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I read it like the way it's

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's supposed to be read.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you read it like.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But I understand how you like

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: didn't get that the first time.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally just the word and

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that made me think

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that it was a continuation

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of like time moving.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Fair, yeah.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if it just said by the time

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, actually, it's the end

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and also got.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: If it was get,

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it would sound more in the moment,

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: not passing ahead like I know

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: this is all told in past tense,

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: but in this situation,

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it gives me

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it gave me like scene whiplash.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, like trying to build this in my head

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because of the tense issue.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so welcome to my tens

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: charge someone had to do it.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's normally you do.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, actually something

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that you have brought up.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to lie,

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: like rereading the story,

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_03]: especially reading

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: this part specifically

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and then like also trying

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to figure out what the story

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: connects with the original

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: with the the wraparound.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I did have like a sort of a situation

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_03]: where like I forgot for a second.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_03]: What the point of this story was to

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: like the to the to the the the over

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: arcing like revelation.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, me too.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as it snapped back

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: to the wraparound

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the story,

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I got whiplash second time.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, even with even with the

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_03]: within the Olivia story itself, like

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_03]: like she's on the bus

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and like she's reading,

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: flipping through that newspaper,

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: which I've got a whole thing

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: about the newspaper

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: to begin with already, but

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and then like we get into

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: the story of like

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: from a few years prior to

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like the past story

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: with her with her sisters

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and like the whole

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like the weird hand.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we get the photo drop

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and then the same photo

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that was in that

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_03]: that slipped out of her newspaper

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that she's reading on the bus.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, right.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_03]: We were she was in that moment.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, wow,

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: this story took like way too long

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to get us to the revelation.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it almost I feel like

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a kind of a gamer moment,

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: like a you moment

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: where like I really felt

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: like that photo should have like slipped out

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and like we should have gotten

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: like that slipping out of the newspaper

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and that triggering

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the memory of like her sisters

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: telling her about the about the stuff.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: If it was just the back of a photo,

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: so you don't see it.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And then like, yeah,

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: so, you know, this entire story

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that's being told within

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the story within the story.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God is about

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, is it's about that.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That photo.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So at least you'll attempt

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to keep that in your head

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: as you're going through.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But like it just kind of jumps to the

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the the inner story.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel like the structure

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: of the story, like for like the time

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: for like time,

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_03]: like for the framing and stuff of that

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_03]: is kind of just really wonky

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and really could be refined.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty much all I got for grammar.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, well, onto actual thoughts.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to start with this one here.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: In other words,

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: an ectoplasmic astral body

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that could detach itself

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: during deep sleep

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and Sally Forth in animal shape

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: or something even more monstrous,

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of like a werewolf,

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: only without the pain

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: or without the painful,

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: embarrassing body contortions

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and sprouting of fur and fangs.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Not a curse cast by

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: by some gypsy fortune teller

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: or devil, but your darker

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_03]: animal nature made incarnate.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So it does seem

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: it does eventually get there

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: in explaining this creature,

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: like with using this reference

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and stuff like that.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel there was

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_03]: there's some wording in here

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that could be like maybe.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That also makes it just

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it makes a little bit more confusing

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: or like like it didn't need to be there.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of unnecessary

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and kind of help.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It kind of convolutes

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: what they're trying to say.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So like when it got to the part,

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like kind of like a werewolf

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: only without the painful,

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: embarrassing body contortions

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and sprouting of fur and fangs.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just I immediately

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_03]: just thought I was like,

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: so not like a werewolf at all.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a werewolf.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like it does.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And like it does explain

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: the situation and like

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but but this part

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_03]: specifically kind of mud

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: like that that reference

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of like muddies

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the water a bit like it's

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: it is kind of like a werewolf in that

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: the person becomes something

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_03]: like an animalistic monster

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: or creature in some form

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's their consciousness shift.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's it is kind of like a werewolf,

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's it is different.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But the way they use

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the the werewolf analogy,

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_03]: it kind of muddies

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: the explanation of it.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So the way I kind of would have fixed

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: it would be like, in other words,

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: an extraplasmic astral body

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: that could detach itself

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_03]: during deep sleep

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and Sally forth into an animal shape

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: or something more monstrous,

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of like a werewolf,

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: not caused by a cursed

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: cast by a gypsy fortune teller

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: or a devil,

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but your darker animal nature made incarnate.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So that to me makes it more like

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: getting rid of the the part

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: where it's like, except for like

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the painful, embarrassing,

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: like embarrassing body contortion,

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_03]: blah, blah.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think getting rid of that

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_03]: helps kind of clarify

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: like the the the shifting nature,

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_03]: the animal shifting nature

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_03]: of this thing without making it

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of muddied

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_03]: in its in its explanation

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: because it's like kind of like

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of like a psychic

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_03]: you're basically like

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: a you're astral projecting

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: somehow and it's creating

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: this like this kind of spectral form.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That is like an animalistic creature.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like a

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, but your meat prison

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: is still the way it is.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And apparently if you get shot

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: or if you're if your astral form

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: gets shot, you die

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: for real

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_03]: because like in the astral world,

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: you die.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You die in astral form.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You die for real.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's kind of what I got off it.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's basically like

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_03]: like a video game

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: like like is your your your in

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_03]: it's sort of like a psychic video

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: game like kind of thing

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: like you send out your avatar.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you die in the game,

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: you die for real.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so which is like

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that's the shittiest

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: werewolf creature ever

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: like shifting monster ever

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: because like if you get shot

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: you get you know what it is.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like in Shadow Run.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, Mikey.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You get in dumb shock

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: when you're when you do a

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: deep dive into VR

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: pretty much except in this case

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: it's psychic feedback.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So you get like horrible

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: psychic dumb shock

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_03]: psychic feedback that kills you.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you have some resistance to like

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: damage as an astral form,

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_01]: not just like bullets.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: My only weakness.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly like unless

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: unless they had like

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_03]: unless silver still also affects

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like it at a silver is what

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_03]: like is what actually killed her

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_03]: or is what killed the beast

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that rhymed almost almost.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so it like

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, just I feel like

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_03]: removing like the part

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: where it's like almost

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_03]: like a werewolf, but like

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_03]: without blah blah blah

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like get rid of that

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: because like you were

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_03]: almost there and helping

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_03]: explain this thing.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe even add

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit extra like

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_03]: like a psychic avatar

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_03]: linked to the body

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and if it gets hurt

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: like the person gets hurt.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I don't know.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And then moving in.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah,

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and then moving on

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: to the next thing I have

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_03]: with this quote.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_03]: A little about Amanda, by the way,

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_03]: she's the exact opposite of Vanessa,

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_03]: small blonde

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: with a delicate frame

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_03]: made even more wispy

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_03]: by her total vegetarian diet.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's Vanessa?

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Or Amanda, for that matter, like

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Vanessa's reference

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_03]: like three times before

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: at least before this.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And as if we should know them

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and like yes, there are some pre

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the story does kind of tied

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: to some previous stories

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: as it's as it's mentioned

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_03]: like it's a

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: it it's supposed to be

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: from the perspective

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_03]: of different characters

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that were featured in

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Ellie Lambert and short hoggers,

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: which we will cover at some point.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Down the road.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem is

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it seems like we need

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that previous information.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but and that's my problem

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_03]: of the story as well is like

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_03]: there should be stuff in this story

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that introduces them

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_03]: like you don't have to go full blow,

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but like we need a little bit more

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: context in this story

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: on those characters like that's

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_03]: in novels and in other like

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in short stories

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and so that like if you're

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: bring a character from another story,

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_03]: you still introduce that character

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_03]: in the current story.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We know that in song,

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: but I tried making a list of the cast

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to keep track of it.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We know that Amanda

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is Vanessa's younger sister.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know who Narek

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_03]: like this.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: This is no

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: but like I and that's

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_03]: that's going to be something

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and like I quote

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to reference

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_03]: in a few minutes to like, but yeah.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: About Narek, but sorry, continue.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't really know much

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Vanessa.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: She's

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Vanessa is the opposite of Amanda

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and Amanda is like a small blonde nerd.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so so Vanessa

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Vanessa's like a net

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: with a with a athletic frame, I guess.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, yeah.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a vegetarian as well.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And also, yeah, like that's

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that's something that keeps

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: coming up in the story

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: like there needs to be more context

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: added in this story

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_03]: when you're when they're

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: introducing characters like it.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It sort of falls flat

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: if we don't know

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: if we just kind of get tossed

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: into the story with these characters.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's one thing

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: if there's like four characters

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: in the whole story, but there's so many.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The ones that I wrote down,

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I may have missed some, but one,

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: two, three, four, five, six,

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote down eleven.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I may have missed a couple.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It is possible.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like also where they are

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_03]: like that needs to also be established

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: at the beginning of the story.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like are they are they neck?

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Are they were like Ellie died?

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Are they is Ellie in the mayor's

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: like house because they're

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_03]: they were upstairs apparently

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and they heard a scream

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: in the mayor's house

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and they ran down the stairs

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_03]: to find the mayor and his wife.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there is like that

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the child of the of the mayor.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I honestly got the impression

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that it was a cop

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: or like a detective of some kind

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: like that there was.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But like that needs to be established

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: at some point

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: at the beginning of the story,

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_03]: like we get we get there's media res

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and then there's just like.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Not finishing your story

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_03]: with like vital information,

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: like there's a proper way to do

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_03]: like in media res

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_03]: where like the characters

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_03]: do get context to the situation,

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_03]: but like I don't know

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_03]: like I was left kind of floundering

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_03]: as to like I was just

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: like kind of going scene for scene

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: is like, all right,

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we're somewhere

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_03]: we're sort of in a nebulous space

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_03]: right now.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, OK, we're ups.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we're near Ellie's body or something

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_03]: because they're maybe going over

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_03]: at the crime scene.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait, the mayor's

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: like screaming from downstairs

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: so they rushed down.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we were upstairs

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_03]: from the mayor in the mayor's house

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and like I guess that's where Ellie died.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess is Ellie Lambert

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: like related to the mayor or something?

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I just was not sure

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03]: because that we didn't get

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: a proper establishing shot.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if I guess this is that moving on,

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, yeah, exactly.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like that is

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: one of the big detriments

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: to the story is that we like

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_03]: it even in media res stories

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: you get establishing shots.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't just get it

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: still might be partially our fault

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: for reading the last

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: story in the sequence,

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: except it's not the last

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: story in the sequence.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, well, not the first story

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_03]: like here's what specifically

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: like so again,

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: like the author's note

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: for the story was that

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: this was an updated

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: retelling of summer break,

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: which I decided to dust off and retell.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'll get back.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll get to that in a second.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Then we also get from the perspective

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_03]: of different characters

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: that were featured

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: in Ellie Lambert and short hoggers.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So Ellie Lambert is its own single

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: like is a story

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: like that we will cover.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Short hoggers is one

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that we're going to cover,

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: but we got to cover

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: three other stories

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: before we cover short hoggers

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: because it's the last

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: in a line of stories.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, OK, like short hoggers

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: is the like fourth installment

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_03]: of a last day of October.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Series of stories.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So like I feel like we should probably

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_03]: cover the first three

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_03]: of those ones

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_03]: before we get to short hoggers.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's sort of yeah, but like

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: so I just like it's sort of a mess

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: in the in the in terms of establishing.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Things from previous

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so like it's cool and fine

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_03]: to have like characters

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_03]: from other stories

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and like reference those stories,

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_03]: but you got to also reference

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_03]: those stories a little bit

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_03]: more properly than this story does.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just like name drop

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_03]: as if we should know these characters,

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_03]: as if we've read

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_03]: the exhaustive list

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_03]: of Curtisville stories,

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_03]: which we covered some of them.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_03]: We've read some of them,

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: but we haven't covered

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: like the the the list

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that the full list of so.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, it does mention

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: some of them because like

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: when it brings up like Amanda says,

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Amanda's Vanessa's younger sister,

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and is the opposite of Vanessa.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we do get some

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: establishing shots,

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: just not everyone

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_01]: has an establishing shot.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, we know who Amanda is,

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_03]: but who's Vanessa?

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what's her deal?

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of thing.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And like I know she's probably

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_03]: from another story,

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_03]: but like you know

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: this kind of feels like

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and I brought this up last night,

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think to you gamer

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: this story kind of felt

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: like an SCP entry

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_03]: where there's like

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: some of the links

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: to other stories

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: from like character names

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_03]: that are referenced.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Or more along the lines

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: of a lot of it's redacted.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't have clearance for it,

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: AKA we haven't read

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: other stories to get clearance.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's that,

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: but also I think it's more like,

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, like you know how like

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_03]: SCP entries always have like

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_03]: like oh, like according to Dr.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Blah, blah, blah,

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and then that person's name

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: is like its own entry

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that we have to go read.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a rabbit hole

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_03]: of a Curtisville series story.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's cool again,

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_03]: like it's fun to have

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_03]: like in Lord like settings

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and spin offs and stuff like that.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just in the story

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that you're writing

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're telling

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: to the audience,

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: to an audience now

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_03]: you do need to establish some things

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: so that you're not like

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: leaving people in the dark entirely.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm trying to get at

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_03]: with the like who's Vanessa

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of thing.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I'll move on.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03]: She also consumes

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03]: fantasy and horror comics

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_03]: by the trunk full

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_03]: as well as classic weird

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and fantastical literature,

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_03]: one of which she showed me

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: the werewolf astral projection example

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_03]: titled The Camp of the Dog

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_03]: by Algernon Blackwood.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Just gonna add that

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to my list of stories to read

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_03]: because I actually haven't

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_03]: touched on Algernon Blackwood

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_03]: in my own reading of weird fiction

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_03]: and such.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I know he's one of Lovecraft's

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_03]: not contemporaries

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_03]: but like he's like

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_03]: one of the inspirations

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_03]: for Lovecraft.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Like when Lovecraft was writing

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_03]: like he had a bunch of stories

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_03]: already out there.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it might be interesting

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: to check that out.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to actually put that

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm legitimately just

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_03]: like I'm adding that to my list.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You're doing that right now?

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_03]: When I read this part

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like I'm gonna like save that.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Next thing I have here

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_03]: or this is actually kind of

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: what I mentioned earlier

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: when I said like

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I got the impression

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_03]: this person the narrator was a cop

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_03]: or something along those lines.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Amanda even called up

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_03]: this chatty nice friend of hers

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_03]: on Skype to get her permission

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_03]: for me to post up

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_03]: her experience on Reddit.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, my initial impression

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_03]: of the story like

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: because the character knew

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_03]: a bunch of stuff

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_03]: but like the death of

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Ellie and all that

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_03]: at the beginning

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that this was a cop

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and like are they posting things

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_03]: on Reddit?

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Like note I know

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_03]: some Reddit No Sleep stories

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_03]: like the narrator are like cops

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_03]: or like authority figures

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: or like they have

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_03]: authoritative jobs

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: or like investigative jobs

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're like posting these

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_03]: on Reddit No Sleep

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_03]: in fiction to try

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and like get word out

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_03]: or like try and like

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_03]: make sense of something

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_03]: like crowdsource

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_03]: like make sense of stuff that

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but like asking for input back though

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_01]: instead of just here it is.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes that's what they do

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: actually in Reddit No Sleep

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_03]: like in fiction

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: like that's why all the comments

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: are supposed to be replied

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_03]: in fiction

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like you're supposed to

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: as if like this is something

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_03]: that's happened

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're trying to help out

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_03]: this person

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's how we get

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_03]: like long series

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: of Reddit No Sleep stories

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_03]: is because like the person

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_03]: has taken some of that feedback

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: from the comments

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and like adapted

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_03]: the storyline kind of

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: like a mini ARG

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: like augmented reality game

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_03]: where like the audience

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: the reader is part

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and the audience are part

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: of the world in the fiction

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_03]: but like for this

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_03]: a bit more clear info clarity

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: again on the character up front

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_03]: would have been nice

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: to know who this person is

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_03]: like I because right now

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_03]: they're just near a tour

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: like we don't

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I think almost similarly

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_03]: to Olivia

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_03]: because like I don't think

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: we I don't recall

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Olivia having a name

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in the original summer break

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I could be wrong

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I may have like I've forgotten that

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think she was also a nair

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_03]: until we got this story

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_03]: where we found out

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that that was Olivia

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay but most stories

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: we read are nairs

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: hence why we have

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I know

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: as a character quote unquote

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah well that's why

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: is it less acceptable now

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: For this one because there's

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_03]: so much we just don't know

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_03]: that like just added on

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: to like it's like the

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: it's the extra weight

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_03]: on the pile of things

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that we don't know

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: about this story

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like yeah

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_03]: this is it makes it more pronounced

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: like I really could use

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_03]: like like who is this character

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: what what is their

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_03]: what is their role in all this

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: are they an investigative

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_03]: character of some kind

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: like are they just like

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_03]: a teen that's investigate

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_03]: like a team gumshoe

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_03]: or are they an actual

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: like authoritative

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_03]: like detective or something

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah like especially

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's so many other characters

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that are referenced as well

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So like having one

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that is just a blank slate

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: which might be on purpose

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's a self-insert kind of deal

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but then all right

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like down the road

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_03]: we're gonna find out that Nair

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_03]: from this story was actually somebody

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: like in other stories

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_03]: like and like that's fine

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That's you that is usually fine

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_03]: some of that it's just

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_03]: in this point it kind of

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_03]: just kept bugging me

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because I didn't have any context

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: for anything that was going on

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_03]: in the story

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they weren't establishing

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_03]: any shots

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Me the guy who hates

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_01]: in media res stuff

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: gets so infamous in the middle of it

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah this is like the mother of war

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I should have read

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: the previous stories

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like regardless of what you said

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah you

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_03]: for some context

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_03]: like for some actual context for us

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_03]: for the audience

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Gamer actually contacted me

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: like two days ago is like

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_03]: should we be reading other stories

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: like no we're gonna read this one

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and then we're gonna read

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_03]: those other ones after

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Specifically because it says

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: summer break

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and we have to fit the theme

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah because I wanted to post this

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_03]: on like the end of

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: of summer break basically

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so back to the story itself

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and like my quotes and stuff

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Also I had to double

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like curious like what's

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: what's a nisei

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and so nisei is Japanese

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_03]: for second generation

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's the son or daughter

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_03]: of Japanese immigrants

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_03]: who are who were born

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and educated in the United States

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like okay

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a term

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like it's a specific term

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: for second generation immigrants

[00:52:36] basically

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I thought that was someone's name

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: to be perfectly

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I was I wasn't sure

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_03]: if it was like somebody's name

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I honestly because of

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because of the story

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_03]: having the the tie

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: to the original story

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_03]: iteration that had like

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: a bunch of fantastical things

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't sure if like nisei

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: was like another

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: was another like creature

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: or animal or like

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_03]: or like mystical thing

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and no it's actually just

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: the term for second generation

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Japanese immigrants

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We know like where this takes place

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: aside from the like

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe if it takes place near

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: so I couldn't find like towns

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_03]: so I feel like most of these towns

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: are fictionalized

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: but from what I gathered

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: of the Curtisville stories

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: they take place on the west coast

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: like somewhere in Oregon

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_03]: or Washington state

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like there's like a lot of like

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Japanese influence stuff going on

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: because the the the northwest

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: actually has a large

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Japanese and Asian

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: like immigration population

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay fair

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't live there

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so I don't know these things

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah so

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll move on to the next thing

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I have here

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: This one I kind of like

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I was getting a little frustrated

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_03]: so I'm just gonna read this

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_03]: how I how I posted

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_03]: how I commented and such

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is the quote

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_03]: She would later confess to me

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that she greatly disapproved

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_03]: of her tween sister being one

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_03]: being on those

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_03]: weirdly infested story sites

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and she thought that Olivia

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_03]: was overreacting to something

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: her older sisters told her

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and quite possibly even making all it up

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_03]: just to gain publicity

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and trophy points on her websites

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like another name dropped

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that we had no idea who it was

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and then like

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: like I'm able to follow

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_03]: along with the broad strokes

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: of the plot line

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and like the wraparound story

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: but it does feel like

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_03]: characters are just name dropped

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and again going to

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_03]: what I was saying earlier

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: just like named off

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: without any kind of context

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_03]: or prior proper introduction

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I have an update on this one

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_03]: where it's like okay

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Olivia is soon mentioned

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_03]: as an online friend to Amanda

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_03]: who has who wrote the story

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_03]: summer break

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that we read like while back

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and is in this story

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So we get that context

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_03]: like shortly after

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Olivia's name is dropped

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but why couldn't we get that

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_03]: for everybody else

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it was it was really

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: it was really bugging me

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_04]: by this point

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was only like

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I think a couple of like a page in

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_04]: on the story

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that's like before

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the actual story itself

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that was that was still

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in the wraparound

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: which is like only a couple

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_03]: of paragraphs

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_03]: before we go into the

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: the retelling

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I do in quotes of summer break

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Then the next thing I have here

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: is actually in the summer break

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: story by Olivia

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It felt good

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_03]: but I knew the refreshing breeze

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't going to last

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: once we reached the mountains

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and by the time we got

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_03]: to the Willow Creek writers camp

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: it was going to be stifling

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_03]: hot and muggy

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay so before we get

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_03]: like the Willows Creek writers camp

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: they're going to Camp Kimtu

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Are they the same thing?

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Why do we have two names

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: for the same place

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming it's like

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a section of that camp

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_01]: specifically for writing

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's it

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but again I know

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm starting to develop into

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_03]: a Disney princess

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to have more

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I need more information

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Or less information technically

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: because like your problem

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: is that they're giving you

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: multiple titles for things

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: where if it was just

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: just the writers camp thing

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that would have been fine

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah or if we can explain

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that like Camp Kimtu

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_03]: is a part of Willow Creek

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_03]: or Willow Creek's writer camp

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_03]: is a part of Camp Kimtu

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like clarify that

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_03]: those are the same thing

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_03]: not just keep referencing

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_03]: two separate places

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Again I'm becoming Burt Gummer

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_03]: from Tremors 2

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I believe I was denied

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Vital need to know information

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so that just

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that's my theme for the story

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that line from Tremors 2?

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So but I'll move on

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_03]: The next thing I have

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: which is the newspaper

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_03]: that she's reading on the bus

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So leafing absentmindedly

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_03]: through the pages of the usually weighty

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: or the usual weighty

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: multiverse matters

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and elven celebrity scandals

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I found myself wondering about

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: what the two weeks

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_03]: at Camp Kimtu would be like

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So it does mention that she

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Leafs like that she

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_03]: she like got had this paper

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: that she was going to like

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_03]: read through and such

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But I really wish that it said

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: newspaper specifically

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_03]: because it did not click

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_03]: till the very end of the story

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: when the mysterious photo

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_03]: from Olivia's past story

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: slipped out of the pages

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: of the newspaper

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that she was reading on the bus

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: That it occurred to me

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that what she

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_03]: this whole multiverse matters

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and elven celebrity thing

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_03]: was a newspaper

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: like a tabloid or something

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What else would it have been?

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Who are you?

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You're pulling on me now dude

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Well

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I apparently yes

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and earlier it says

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_00]: However in my glumness

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah glumness died away

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_00]: as soon as I start perusing

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_00]: my newly purchased paper

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know what

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's just straight lined paper

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: that she's just perusing through

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Well she's

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I was really like

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not joking

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not this isn't a bit

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I know

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Legitimately I thought that

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like when it said paper early on

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_03]: like the first time I read that

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was like

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_03]: lined paper

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_03]: because she's like writing

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: because she's going to

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that's like writing school

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_03]: or writing camp

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the first time

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The first time I read this sentence

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_01]: because I was like

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: paper

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: writing paper

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: because writing

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but then I re-read it

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like okay perusing it

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay it's

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and then it talks about scandals

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay it's a newspaper moving on

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I got it eventually

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I just had to read it

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple of times

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Please continue

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So did I

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I only found out

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_03]: realized it like even more so

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like 100% confirmed

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that it was a newspaper

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_03]: When I re-read the story

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_03]: a third time

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Ah damn

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't until like my third reading

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_03]: of the story

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: when I got to that part

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_03]: where she's like

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: got her newly purchased paper

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_03]: which was right before

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_03]: the whole I think

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_03]: about the Elvin celebrity scale stuff

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh it does say that it's a newspaper

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It just says that it's a paper though

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and like that's confusing

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the English language

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We should just call everything one thing

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I know yeah

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: There is slang for things

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's what they're using

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so anyway

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that was something there

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: She's talking about money

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I've just gotten some new papers

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You know

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes it gets

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Well that would be like script

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: or something like that

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't be like paper

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway moving on

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That is fine

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so the next thing I have here

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: is six years ago

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_03]: The year was 1999

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I was eight years old

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: while my sisters were 10

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and were mischievous as hell

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Which wasn't at all surprising

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: seeing as they were

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_03]: probably half Siamese cat

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So for me

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: it was kind of funny

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_03]: at this point in the story

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: because it was like

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: at this point we had

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: had the the wraparound part

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: which I guess was in 2017

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: or like maybe a little bit earlier

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was supposed to take place

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it cuts to like

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: this blog story that like

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Amanda's sharing with the Nair

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: about Olivia

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: who was posted in 2006

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we're going back for

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_03]: even further into an incident in 2003

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and then followed up with a 1999 story

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like at this point

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like half expecting this

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to continue just getting sidetracked

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_03]: further and further into the past

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Back in the 1920s

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Technically the statement is false

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Six years ago

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the year was 1999

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_00]: This was posted supposedly

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: in July 2006

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore six years ago was 2000

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I maybe it was maybe like that

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That event was like in 2005

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe the story was told

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: into that was posted in 2006

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but it took place in 2005

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's probably not that

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't help

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It might be

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it might be a hiccup

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It might be a hiccup

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Based on the timing we get

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that statement is wrong

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: No you're right

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Well there's some

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: There's some

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And out of all the things that were changed

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: in the in the retelling

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_03]: again I do in quotes

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That was

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That definitely could have been

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: could have been done

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And speaking of the changes

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to the actual changes

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I was referencing earlier

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So with this quote

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course there were the usual complaints

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: to the police

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Various residents pointing their fingers

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: at the usual suspects

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Teenage pranksters

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and budding criminal masterminds

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_03]: my sisters included

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: The local hard rock garage band

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Particularly the one

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: My albino cousin Yukiko started

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: The Goths

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: The Emo's scene

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And stoners

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: As well as any foreign immigrants

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Especially the Chalmers

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay so this story

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Really needs to calm down

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: with its run-on sentences

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that was all one

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: That was all one sentence by the way

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh god damn

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no period until the very end

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And I've noticed a few of them

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like in my notes

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have grammar

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: We're now we are out of grammar

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Also I learned a new subculture group today

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I learned it back

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: No I wouldn't have learned it

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: from the previous version of the story

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Because this is where they were

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: They changed up the like

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The monsters to like subculture thing groups

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So scenes

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like what the hell are scenes

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So I looked it up

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like members of the scene subculture

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Are referred to as scene kids

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Trendies and scenesters

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Scene fashion consists of skinny jeans

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Bright colored clothing

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And signature hairstyles

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Consisting of straight flat hair

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: With long fringes covering the forehead

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And bright colored hair dye

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what a scene stir is

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Or what a scene is

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's in reference to like

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: They're making a scene kind of thing

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: They're being flamboyant kind of thing

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I got out of that

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Correct me if I'm wrong

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: If a goth wore colors

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah but it's basically

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's if a clown and a goth had a baby

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They create a scene

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They would actually

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but yeah so also

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so like I said earlier

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I went back and read through

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The previous version of Summer Break

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And noticed a lot of the fantastical elements

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That were mentioned in the previous version

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Are missing in this version

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Or have been replaced with more mundane things

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like other so this story is basically

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Copy pasted into Summer Break 2017

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the names of names

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastical names have been like filed off

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it said I quoted like the earlier

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the her sisters were like mischievous as hell

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Which wasn't at all surprising

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Seeing as they were probably half Siamese kids

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Siamese cat in the previous version of Summer Break

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Is seeing how they were probably half chick Charney

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Which we said in our previous episode

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: On Summer Break that we discovered that chick Charney

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Was like a type of like owl

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like mystical owl creature cryptid

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay but in this story are they literally half cat?

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I think in this version

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be taken like kind of just like as like

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh you're like clever like a fox kind of person

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Or like it's sort of like that kind of like

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Specifically Chinese cat

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I know but like the reason is because like

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: All the other things like the alternate

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: All the those like the goss emo scenes

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And stoners and stuff like that

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Even the foreign any foreign emigrant

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Especially like the Chalmers

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: In the original story those are

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Those names are actually replaced with like vampires ghouls

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And whatnot and then like

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And then some kind of like alternative

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like otherworldly humans who have emigrated

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the Chalmers

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay and they get that but this isn't just that story

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Except that's this is the main change

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Between Summer Break and Summer Break 2017

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that they've the person the what we're reading

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: We're reading like human like subculture groups and stuff

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And like mundane versions of what was mentioned in Summer Break the original one

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I don't know how I feel about that honestly

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Because on the as I recall

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: On the one hand it makes this story much more easier to digest

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's something that we

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It's familiar like goths, emos and all that kind of stuff

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you can those are regular things

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Normal mundane people

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But on the other hand

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoyed that kind of magical realism aspect of the original story

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Where it was just like these things seem to be like

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_03]: There's like magical creatures like vampires and ghouls

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that reference as if they're every day

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And it seemed like maybe like this person's living in some kind of like hidden world

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Or like some kind of like world where like those creatures are like the everyday

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're normal

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It just that's why I went like with those triplets

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I went with them as like neko girls or whatever the hell

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they are cat girls like because it says they are

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Well yeah yeah well because it references that yeah

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And like but in the original story is like they're actually more like owl people

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Or owl girls

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah like I loved that about the original story

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember like loving that about the original like Curtisville stories

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that like they had like like even when they're referencing

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Where'd you get that flare gun?

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like later on it's like oh I got that from the library auction

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Or something like that or at the somewhere like at the blah blah blah

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: At the something market

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: In this in the original story it's the goblin market

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's a steampunk flare gun that they got from a goblin market

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: In this one it's more mundane-ified

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So it had me wondering like sort of a creepypasta theory

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what we're reading here is actually like

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the original story is the true version of what we're read of what to read

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And this version that that nair is reading that we're reading as part as nair is reading it

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a version that's more mundane almost like a glamour

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Of the hidden world like that this person has written in the story

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so it's like so like that they are like chickcharnies and there's goblins

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's like all these other weird like alternate humans

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And monsters and stuff that they're walking among us

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're all hidden and glamored up

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So even in the writing even in these like articles that are posted online

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: On like creepypasta websites

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody who's mundane or like not in the know isn't going to read that stuff

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna they're gonna read it more like oh like the emos and goths and all that stuff

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I really hope personally I like I prefer that to the idea

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That perhaps the writer has decided to downplay the sort of magical realism

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: That was in the previous stories

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah maybe just as you said to make it so you can connect more with it but like

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Also as you said it make it maybe unique

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like there's so many stories out there where it's just dudes

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah like that was the thing that really like drew me to the Curtisville stories

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Was that this like kind of post or this like magical realism

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Where like these creatures are living among human regular humans

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: In like small towns and like stuff like that

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that stuff is cool it just needs to be explained a bit more in the world setting

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And when you're like when you're elaborating on it

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's also what we brought up was that like they're referencing it

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: As if it's just no big deal but it's like okay that's cool

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe add a little bit more just to explain like how this is like every

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like how like this is okay every day kind of thing

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Is is this werewolf cop one yes this is the same world as werewolf cop and the okay yeah

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and like because that's the bunker that's like where like they go in

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And like with the uh the gray man of the gray mist and some of that that's in the woods

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's like that slowly unlocking these bolts in my mind

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The more you tell me about these like as soon as you told me

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Goblin steampunk flare gun i'm like oh yeah

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah yeah also that was we did that story back it what threw me off

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like I when I went back it's like when did we do this story

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it must have been like years ago it was years ago but it was also only 2019

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah so I thought I thought it was a lot like farther down our in our um in our episodes

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But apparently how many episodes have we done since then that's why

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah no we've done a lot

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah um but yeah so I really enjoy like I kind of I was a little I'm a little worried that like

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: This the story is downplaying the fantastical element for the sake of like readability

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I hope it doesn't like do that in the for future stuff

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I hope like the author like keeps that kind of magical whimsy

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: With the horror aspect that's going on in the stories

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's what made that's the magic of these stories is the um the the magical realism

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: element I love the term like magical realism like I know some people think it's like kind of uh

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Counter productive or counterintuitive um because magic isn't real and all that

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But as much as one person would fight me on that um

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It is actually a name for a genre of of uh of a fantasy and fiction

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah yeah because it's one thing to think about magic as like super fantastical there's you

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: have to worry about if it makes sense or not but like when it's actually grounded and like

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: There's in a world that actually all makes sense

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes us so much cooler in my opinion

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah exactly yeah I really enjoyed the like that genre like that idea like again

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like why we like Shadowrun so much sorry Mikey again

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Because there is an element of like the watch as well

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and the watch yeah yeah exactly like this hidden world or like this this world

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That is alongside our own not everybody's in the know of it but the people that are in the know of

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It treat it like the monday and like they're they they there is the whimsy but it's like also

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Treated like just like it's everyday life it's the secret world exactly

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I was gonna say I couldn't think of the jingle off the top of my head I was gonna do

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah exactly it's the yeah I probably why I like the secret world MMO so much as well so

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But speaking of slight tangent um I know your computer isn't all isn't the best but have

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You heard of the um the once human game that's out yes I want to play it so bad

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I figured you would because it's basically followed 76 but secret world yeah secret world

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And a little bit of like what happens if a bunch of scps just like like like uh

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Break out and like contaminate the world

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sorry uh before the tangent please throwing up at our door yeah

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I will continue on uh my my my my thoughts here

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is in regard to the the chalmers themselves um just about everyone in town

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Thought the missionary family from Australia was especially strange for not only where

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: For not only were they all blonde and met every normalty or normality standard from the

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: 1950s but also they were always on the happy side and so damn perfect with their ned flanders

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of christian white bread lifestyle they were even weird rumors or there that should

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Be there were even not they were even um there were even weird rumors swirling around

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That the chalmers and their seven kids were actually aliens all genetically modified

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: To closely resemble their cultural idea of the people they were trying to convert

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like well I mean honestly from what like is shown here it does kind of fit the

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Mold for nordic aliens which are basically like arian aliens um it's a type of like

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Alien encounter where like people encounter like aliens who are human but their pale skin

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Blonde haired and blue-eyed but there's also something a little bit uncanny about them

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't not think of it in a negative tone oh no yeah no you're right

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like literally blonde and and pale yeah pale blonde and blue-eyed yeah yeah um but

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Again someone had to ruin another thing for the world he he they ruined a lot of stuff let's

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They did they really did um but yeah well that's they just read that part is like okay

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That fits i mean it's like basically like the nordic aliens so that i can understand

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Where that rumor is coming from uh but i'll move on to the next thing I have here

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh well going back to Izumi's account of that infamous knight okay don't get me wrong

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: This has been an interesting yarn being spun to us

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But does this have any at this point in the story as I was getting to like because they

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Just kept going on and on and on about like their that the evening the the infamous night

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like all the this like backstory of of the chalmers and stuff and I was like

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Does this have anything to do with the wraparound story?

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like about

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly it's like that's what the story is kind of suffering from is like

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It goes so long explaining something that you forget what the original context for like why

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The story is being explained in the first place um like yeah like what is the and I

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Still left wondering like what is the connective tissues between this story summer break

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And the incident with with uh the character who died from

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: After they were their their astral bestial form was shot

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And all that kind of stuff like what was that kind of it seemed like by the end of the story

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: We it seemed like the whole reason for all this was because

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: They found that box with the with the gnarled hand that was referenced in the story and the

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That was referenced in the story and it's progressed so now there's three girls in the photo

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Rather than the four that was in when when uh when olivia found it and five when her sisters

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Found it so it's like counting down to something or or it's or it's no it's not

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Necessarily counting down like okay it is counting down but do you understand why it's

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Down kind of I but explain please it's when it picks a new target that's how many sisters

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That target has oh that's literally all it is so it could switch to another target and that

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Target could have five sisters then it goes up to five I think it's just that it just it

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Happens to be counting down I was thinking either that or it's um it may not be counting

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Down it may not be specifically that because of like the person that sister like that that number

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Of sisters but it might be that like it's using up a a person in the photo like some kind of

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Magic like there's some kind of magic to the photo itself that it's like each incident that

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Happens it's using up another another girl in the photo like I could also see that yeah and

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Then something horrible will happen when it's all done yeah and then we'll find well like

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Every time it goes down it has to actually pick someone who has that many siblings for

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Reason yeah because it does reference in the story like that the girls that the sisters tell

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Olivia that like five girls went missing and that's where we get the five girls in the photo

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So like once once we've had enough instances and this photo keeps popping up in these

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Instances with like less with less and less uh girls in the photo when there's no girls

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: In the photo are they suddenly going to find five like the five dead girls basically

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: As it was some kind of part of some weird like uh some weird like sympathetic magic

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Um it's part of a it's clear this is all clearly part of a greater mystery that like

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: M.M. Pratt's been trying to been been trying to get through but the way the story is like

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I really feel like the story's like on its own it kind of fails and like maybe as as a

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Whole like with all these other stories maybe it'll make more sense and i'd recommend it but

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: At this point like this story itself needs more stuff in it to make it to make itself stand on

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Its own as well as connect with a great with this greater mystery because otherwise this just

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Seems like a a chapter that we're we're only reading like a chapter of something rather than

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically you handed me a novel open it halfway and or three quarters the way through

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And like read it finish it don't worry about the first bit yeah and I mean I did that's

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: What it feels like to be to you to me it feels like I did the same thing except um

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I was only told like I was told only to read this first chapter for like in this part and

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like and they're really but what about these other chapters the beginning and after

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's like no no read after it's like okay

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I've done some I've and like the other person's like I've done some edited some

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I've edited this chapter so it should make more sense it's like yeah and it really didn't

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah oh I'm getting I'm getting to the end of my notes here

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_03]: No worries so the next thing yeah this is this is with regards to the mayor's like like there's

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: A blood-curdling scream chatted the mayor's the the still night of the mayor's residence and

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: The characters all the characters got upright and scrambled downstairs in the direction of

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: the spacious living room bar lounge make up your damn mind

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Um

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Those things and then mayor does dis rocier or dis rociers uh lay half uh half supported by her

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_03]: husband limp as a rag doll her face livid with the eyes bulging horribly so at this point I was

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like wait so this all happened the wraparound plot line in the mayor's household and this is

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Needs to we need more information at the start of this story are venessa and amanda the mayor's

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Daughters if if so what was ellie lambert doing there I know this is all connected to us this was

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this was the tipping point where it's like what's going on

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: This is when you like just start crying in the shower basically yeah basically yeah

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh yeah that was my tipping point I was just like I don't know like

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Where are we?

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the location needs to be mentioned up front not at back

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what we said earlier, and that's where I was getting it. It's like

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a bunch of information. That's kind of just like

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll put at the beginning or barely any information is given at the beginning

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we get like a dropped some a bunch of information at the end

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but by the time we get to the end i'm like

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, where where's this like this information needs to be at the front

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Or at least teased at the front and then we get the story and then or the bulk of the story

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we get the revelation. That's how

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a structure makes it more clear

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But how that how the structure would make it more clear

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah, um and then we get the last bit of the story which is um

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's shriveled blackened digits clutched a torn and dirty photo

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: like the one mentioned in the story showing those girls hovering in space in front of what looked like

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: An old stone wall blurry watery smears for faces

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yet instead of four lost souls like the story

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There were only three visible done done

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So the photo and hand from the event from the events years ago

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That didn't seem to connect to the current situation of the girl of of ellie

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh and her phantasmal werewolf form thing

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That whole situation has been found has found itself in this situation

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: spooky

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I I don't know about this like the wraparound doesn't seem to give enough to support it being

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Really connected to the

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: To the the bulk of the story, which is another an older story that's been revised

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Slightly and just tossed into this story

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Um to fill in the gaps like to fill in the bulk of it

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: um, and it leaves me more confused than really intrigued like

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: We right i'm not gonna lie until we just have this conversation about like why the photo is there and like what's going on with?

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: The photo like with like is it a countdown? Is it like?

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: um, is it like the girls like

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Sisters or is it like the is like some kind of sympathetic magic thing before we just had that conversation

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just i'm still like i'm just I don't know

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But what's going on with the story still like i've read through the story three times and I still don't fully understand

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: The the finer details. I know the broad strokes of what happened here

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_03]: but why

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Did it happen here?

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you gotta read the stories ahead first. Yeah, I know yes

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it will make more sense other stories, but as it is like as a standalone if if I was just like perusing, um

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: uh

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The um if I was just perusing creepos at wiki and and decide to choose this one story and read it

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I would be so confused

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah as we were yes as we have explained we have demonstrated

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But uh, yeah, so that's that's my actual thoughts. Um, Mikey the east dance for evil

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's see here

[01:23:14] so

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: At the beginning, uh, ellie lambert was dead

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: yes, and

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That there's no real connection as to why

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: That has an impact on this story. Yeah, other than it's part of another story and it's like well, but

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is it here then?

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: like

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, if it's you're right part of another story, why is it part of this story to oh connect to that one? Well, but

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We need more information

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Why it matters? Yeah, like why are all happening in the same world?

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I get I get that part. But yeah, like some I think what mikey's saying is like

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_03]: What does this have to do with the the hand and the photo?

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what did what did ellie die like ellie have to do with that?

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I get like it's part of like a continuous world that like is being developed across multiple stories

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But you still need to give us some context in this story for that

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that was the opening scene

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And it has it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what we're currently like dealing with in the stories

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: In the in the rest of the story

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the the next

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Thing here is a quote

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That what I had shot just outside the front door

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: To the guest house wasn't a hallucination or a sick ghastly joke by some of vanessa's goth friends

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: but a double

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: so this is nair talking yes because

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: like

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking photo at this point

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like is he the one who took the picture of

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: these floating girls type thing but it just

[01:25:08] I

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Shot I had the same

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh thought as well. Whoa, like you said shot. I assumed picture. Yeah, I thought gun

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, but then they'd be wanted for murder. Yeah, one of them technically already is kind of half. Yeah

[01:25:26] I

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's shooting with a gun makes sense because there's a picture of a freaking gun

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_03]: We well and that's the flare gun. Yeah, that's the flare gun finally

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember I actually drew in the title card

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I drew the a steampunk like brass like flare gun and now I know exactly what it looks like

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I was I was pretty I was I was kind of off

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not a steampunk flare gun though. It's a real flare gun from world war two

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but in the original story, yes. Yes. Yes a steam it was referenced as a steampunk gun. Yeah. Yes. Yeah

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: But sorry, yes

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, actually no you you guys were suddenly revealing that like they didn't shoot the the monster with a gun

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They shot it with a a camera

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That makes like that I that I did not even perceive that

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I still don't know which it is because it just mentions that it shot the creature

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then it goes on from there so maybe it was like with a gun

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because like what I perceived was like they shot the phantasmal monster and because they shot that monster

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like a the consciousness avatar of the of ellie

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Supposedly, um, she died of an aneurysm or just died from dump shock from psychic dump shock

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: All right

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So my next note here

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you may have really horrible days descending without any hint of warning

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You wake up with a strong sense of foreboding and you know that things will turn sour the moment you step outside

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so the day will be fine then because

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing seems wrong

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Then something bad happens but you wake up with a sense of foreboding means you have the hint of warning

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, I love how this story took this that it took an entire like multi-page story

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: To get to the the photo with the dread the that caused her dread to get to that part

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_03]: To finally get that as a callback

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then also in the same paragraph

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: The next sentence and yet on other days

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything seems to be going great until a sinkhole suddenly opens up while you're rollerblading

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Or a small plane crash lands into your backyard taking out your treehouse

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: This

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Paragraph needs to be reworked to focus on

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: the

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything seems fine until something goes wrong. Yeah

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Where but that waking up with a strong sense for voting is the exact opposite of what you're trying to say

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because every you're right actually wait. Yeah

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Usually like if you wake up with like a bad feeling

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Then you're vindicated when something actually bad happens

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not like it doesn't suddenly just like I was having a great day and then something and a car crash happened in front

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Of me like that kind of sours your mood

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But the way it's saying it's like there's like

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It you're not like, you know

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: In that instance like you should be waking up like thinking everything's gonna be great today and then something bad happens

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not waking up with a bad sense with a bat with a with a sense of dread

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically saying like you're fucked regardless

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_01]: like

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: If you wake up your bad shits. Okay, the way that I read the start of that is basically

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Um nair is debbie downer. That's her name now, um

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It is just gonna go bad regardless

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is a living a great day. It's gonna go. Oh, is this alivia's story? Yeah, I forget which start this was regardless

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, it's basically just if you're having a great day

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's shit's gonna go bad if you're having a shit day. Well, it's gonna be a shit day regardless

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: oh

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is what I got from so this is the broad stroke that I got from like the overworking of the story

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Was that she was referencing that like she was having a good day like getting ready for camp and stuff of that like getting

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: On the bus like and all that stuff leaving through her her fun

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like her her the newspaper that she likes reading through and stuff of that and then that news that that photo slipped out

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what kind of triggered everything that we read

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And like that was a sense of badness and foreboding because like suddenly that she got this like she suddenly realized oh shit this photo

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what's it doing here? Why is this all shit like shit happening hitting the hitting the fan now

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: um, but like

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the story is so muddied because of how it was written that like

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That sort of gets like lost a little bit

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: especially the way like mikey was kind of bringing up where like

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They referenced like foreboding like there's a sense. There was no sense of foreboding. It seemed by from olivia initially

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't until she got the photo that popped out of her newspaper that

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: The foreboding and bread happened but

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, unless that's what it's trying to like kind of bring up is that like

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the foreboding it's not that she woke up that morning to foreboding

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's more of like like she had a good day until

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_03]: She got saw that paper and then or that photo and on her way to camp and she was like

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no camp's gonna be shitty or something bad's gonna happen at camp

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of thing

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, maybe maybe that's it

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And then um

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: My next note here

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was what they told me afterwards that scared me even more than any horror movie or scary campfire story out there

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Because the incident actually occurred in my hometown and would spawn a new urban legend

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Two paragraphs later

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Before the infamous gray man instance of 2003

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody in the wider world gave a flying rodent's arse about this unincorporated folksy community

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: The urban legend needs to be closer to the uh

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Talking about

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Scared her

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's just really like the story's getting you're speaking of tangent police and stuff that we were talking earlier

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: This story has so many tangents. It should be illegal

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I feel like the tangent police would just be like raiding curtisville constantly

[01:32:28] Yeah

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and uh

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: the

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's been brought up before?

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Is the um

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Scene whiplash

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: so I got a lot of this because

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: we go from

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: being on the bus

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she's talking with her sisters

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and then

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: At some point we have

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Without even answering my question my sister started playing out sheaves his new newspaper from underneath the sofa cushions

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And dumping them onto the living room table

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and i'm like

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: What weren't we on a bus? Well, no because because she was she was referencing the past when her when her when her sisters

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Told her about the camp stuff and like all the things so they were at home

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But I understand where you're why you're getting confused because it doesn't establish

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Properly that that that past scene that flashback. Yeah, we keep getting

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, which is really yeah, we keep getting flashback after flashback

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I need a neck brace. Yeah

[01:33:40] Yeah

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, and then as you mentioned before the

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_00]: the

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: first mention of the marriage residence is near the end

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Until that point we had no idea where the main characters were at the beginning

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_00]: We knew it was a guest house

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Bam whiplash over in the mayor's residence

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no legit. Yeah

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I i'm with you guys on this one

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like I thought that's where I made that comment

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like it just keeps going farther and farther into the past also different locations that like

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Are just suddenly like just oh by the way, we're here like there was no establishing shot

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like oh, I forgot to add this uh, the scene. Yeah this detail here. Here's the detail

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, we're here

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And then let's see here

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_00]: uh part way

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Through reading this

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: uh

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: This especially the the note or whatever that's from 2006 or whatever that the characters are reading

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I knew I had read this before yes

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he I had distinct deja vu. I was like, okay

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And my mind was like why are you reading this? It's like watching a movie that you know is bad

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you watching it a second time?

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I will give you this again, like like I think i've said earlier

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the original the the story that we suddenly were like we're that we and nair are reading from like amanda's ipad

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Is almost identical like I read through it and it's like yeah

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: No, the only changes are all the monsters and the kind of whimsical fantasy stuff that's added like

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They decided to downplay and made it more make it more mundane in this version

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's otherwise it's like almost word for word. I think and even some a lot of the grammar inquisition that we had

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Previously seems to still be here

[01:35:37] so

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so you had you had to read the story again

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, yeah second time and you were happy

[01:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: All right

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And then uh my my last actual thought here

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Is

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird. I finally replied like the marks brothers meet hp love

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Lovecraft. Yeah

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: This line is an insult to the marks brothers and hp lovecraft. I wasn't laughing or creeped out

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I can kind of understand what they're meaning because like

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: the the way that the the the sisters like

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Deal with the specter and then like rundowns to their like down to their their yard

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And like are chasing something along with a bunch of dogs. It kind of has like this weird like

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It does have a bit of a slapstick kind of like routine to it

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine that the freaking yakety sack song. Yeah

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I can get I get the reference to the marks brothers and the hp lovecraft thing

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a little harsh about what you're like

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: A disservice but like because it does it it's the character like just referencing some things like but yeah

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the end of my actual thoughts

[01:36:57] Okay

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: gamer

[01:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna try to bring a little bit of positivity into this

[01:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe I don't know man

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of negativity to follow up

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Like now now feel how I feel apparently we've just switched roles occasionally or it's like yeah apparently

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I like it's like how does it feel to try to stay positive when your two other co-hosts are being really negative about a story?

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Or at least being really critical about a story. Yeah

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough either way, um, so yeah when I first started reading it, um

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We we kind of talked about this before but like I was confused because I didn't read the previous stories

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what was going on

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I didn't catch a lot of stuff like with the shot if there's a camera or not. I don't know

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless moving on from that

[01:37:58] um

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Then um, you kind of mentioned this before but not this part specifically. Um, in other words an

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Ectoplasmic astrobody that could detach itself during deep sleep and sally forth in animal shape or something. Um

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So like I learned a thing

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Technically a couple of things because to sally forth is to go on an adventure. I've never heard of that before

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh really? Um, no, I never heard of that also

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I never heard that also apparently it's the name of a comic strip from the 70s

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense. There's yeah with the main character's name was sally forth and she went on adventures

[01:38:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, yeah, because yeah

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I i've heard it a couple times like reference it like again

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's usually like young like a childish thing or like an older like fantasy kind of stuff

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like we must sally forth heroes

[01:38:49] Yeah, yeah

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Not and also that

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like that that does make sense that there'd be a comic in the 60s or 70s you said

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, the 70s that like because like they were always they're all about like the silly wordplay in their com in comics

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess i'm from the 70s then yeah

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's also what I do

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's have a very old sense of humor. I suppose

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe just that shit's timeless. We'll go with that. Yeah might be that yeah. Yeah

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Either way moving on. Yes

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So we get on to the actual story

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like how it starts

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, let me scroll to real quick how it's like specifically like titled and dated

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: With like the in-lore writer that's listed there. Yeah

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that. It basically looks like nair

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Copied that and posted it in here, you know, it's not just a break and that's it

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, there it's it's probably one of the few times the story has actually given us like some

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Information context information about the story we're about to read

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that sectioned out and everything like that part the formatting of that is good

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_03]: horizontal lines that separate the uh

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The wraparound story between like the the main bulk of the story

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and the title and everything is all bolded

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's separate from the rest of the text completely like that's all real good

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_03]: they use bolding for the uh for the um,

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the headlines of the newspapers that are referenced by the by the triplets

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Do they yeah if you go yeah, they did it's not like bold all caps though

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_03]: bold all caps that's fine because like newspapers usually like they they

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Go all caps or like for uh, or like

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Older older newspapers like tend to like do all caps for like headlines and such. So okay fair enough. Yeah

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no italicization

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it gives me just because there's no italics. Yeah

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless I miss them

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Was there don't yeah, yeah

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No, there is don't ruin it's gonna bug me

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of hate it alex

[01:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, anyway moving on

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I got out while dad opened the back and began unloading the essential stuff

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I needed for my two weeks stay two weeks stay at camp

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: uh kim 2

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is uh one letter away from camp kim woo, uh camp where you learn about kung fu nunchucks and dragon magic

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: um kung

[01:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Kim woo is a fighter in killer instinct

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was like, you know, it's kung fu and uses nunchucks and dragon magic

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Very closely named. Yes

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly named for that character. Yeah, i'm sure yeah, they love killer instinct

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, hang on let me just browse over this real quick

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, um this okay, i'm gonna bring up the paper again

[01:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't talk about this specifically. Um the newspaper to clarify

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Um says like leafing absentmindedly through the pages of the usual weighty multiverse matters and elvin the celebrity scandals blah blah

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So like it straight up says

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, first off when I read that I was like i'm sorry what um, but like

[01:42:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like the newspaper is talking about multiverse matters and elves and shit like it's normal stuff

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a fantastical world that they're living in so as much as they're

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Mundanifying a lot of stuff that's evidence right there that they're basically living in shadow run. Sorry, Mikey

[01:42:27] [SPEAKER_03]: or

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's how I here's how I um, like saw this as like for continuing to mundanify it

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Because in the original story, yes, it has like it's a multiverse matters

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And and uh elvin celebrity scandals and some of that like in that in the original context

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the same thing like it doesn't like change any honestly. It doesn't hasn't changed at all between the two versions

[01:42:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay in the in the original one where it references all the monsters of that it is just a regular newspaper

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: In this context where like everything else is mundane. You know what? This is

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Multiverse matters which i'm i'm actually i'm thinking that's just actually the title of the newspaper tabloid

[01:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It is one of those like really weird. Um, like

[01:43:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh tabloid newspapers like the weekly world news with batboy

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Um being married to sasquatch or like like though I had I had reams and reams of the weekly world news

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh during when I was in high school and so on because I because it was such a cool fun

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Newspaper that was printed in post and sold like at walmart and all other newsstands and some of that

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That was complete horseshit

[01:43:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Just full of full of weird random things like elvis like uh elvis spotted. Uh

[01:43:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Out near uh out fishing somewhere in some lake or something like that or like bigfoot gets married

[01:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: like and like all manner of like ridiculous just dumb fabricated like

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_03]: conspiracy theory like monsters and cryptids living together in harmony in the world and their their their daily woes like it was a

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_03]: As far as i'm concerned. It is it is amazing but completely fictionalized tabloid newspaper that was just sold

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: on on newspaper stands

[01:44:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and that's kind of what I thought this as was like this is basically a a version another

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Type of like weekly world news type tabloid

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I see and you said in the original version of this. Um, it was just a standard newspaper

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Well in in the context of the original one where like there are like these like

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Where they're referencing like ghouls and vampires as the usual suspects

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And like the elfin airships and stuff like that that the characters referencing of uh and whatnot

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: To me like in the in that context this newspaper is actually like the daily news

[01:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Is like the more credible newspaper, but it does directly referencing it reference it the same way

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly as elvin scandals and stuff. Yeah, I wonder if they just forgot to change it

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder that or again like that's why I thought I was like, oh this actually makes sense like this kid's

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like reads like the weekly world news basically of this stuff

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so like yeah, it could either be like and I hope it's not awesome again

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I really hope that the author didn't like decide to like try and like

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Not whitewash but like mundanify but mundane wash

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Their story because that again that that that magical realism aspect was really fun

[01:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So like I really hope that this wasn't like a mistake or like a typo or like something they forgot to bring up

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope it was actually like just like a weekly world

[01:45:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It'd be fun if it was just like a weekly world news thing in the real in the mundane context of it or

[01:45:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe it's like the character's own like it could also it does also kind of say like venessa thought like uh,

[01:45:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Olivia had like an overactive imagination

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So like well look what she's reading. She's reading effectively a version of the weekly world news

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So weekly world news you've said weekly world news

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the name of the of the I understand that no, so yeah, yeah

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_03]: um, but yeah, so

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I I I do wonder now that you've put that in my head like if this was just like a missed thing that they

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_03]: forgot to the to mundanify or if it's the one thing that was allowed because it kind of just comes off as

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a tabloid like the weekly world news

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Every time you say that

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_04]: We're not getting any we're not getting any uh, we don't have any like deals with with the

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Wwm

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah with that newspaper or tabloid

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just it was just like what came to mind when I read like multiverse matters and the elven scandals like oh

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: This is just one of those tabloid newspapers. Yeah, and that's unfortunate because that was the one

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Grip in the supernatural world that I had for this story left. I know

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and now you kind of ruined it now

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I've abandoned my boy

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's like okay. There's cat girls. There's like a there's an elven news stuff

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we're in some weird fancy thing like still there that's still weird. It's cool

[01:47:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know what? No, fuck you. It is no it's not a it's not weekly

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I still have my yeah. Hey, I know I still have my theory. I still maintain my theory that like

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything else that's been mundaneified is actually just a glamour for nair as they're reading the article or as they're reading the the story on

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The ipad so it is all it is there

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's hidden away because like we're we're technically reading over the shoulder of of nair in this in this context

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And this shit's way too complicated for no reason

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it does not need to be this complicated. We should not have to like have huge discussions on this

[01:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And yet here we are yeah, yeah

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like

[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Like like with okay with this as my like my grounding point in the fantastical world later on

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of follows up with her older sisters talking about like there's wenda goes in the forest and shit like yeah

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I've at that point. I viewed like she the

[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Olivia basically said oh, yeah

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But I viewed that as no her sisters are actually trying to warn her there's literally wind that goes out there

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you're living in a fantastical world

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I did. I did also like that

[01:48:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they're like it's like oh and I guess the the curtisville monster is at the camp, right?

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like no no, I mean there's I mean you still gotta deal with like bigfoot and stuff

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like those the monsters that are over the camp. Yeah, like it straight up says that like I know

[01:48:42] I

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know what this wants to be anymore

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like because like it's so plainly talks about supernatural stuff as is as as if it's a normal thing

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then it fights that on other counts

[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think part of that might be

[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_03]: the trends like the the again the the the author like removing and or like

[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Changing the names to make it more mundane

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess and maybe missing a few things

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But but and like because like this really isn't like that's my cap in my point like this isn't really a retelling

[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They copy pasted the original story

[01:49:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And just changed some names. They didn't actually do any retelling

[01:49:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Aside from the wraparound story that but that those wraparound bits

[01:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Aren't really integrated properly into the the the original story material

[01:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: because like the um

[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Passing down of this creature is already happening in olivia's story. Yeah, like it already went from um

[01:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like from one number down to another one and then it just goes down another

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: In the uh, the wraparound

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, like I guess that's the one thing that was like added is that like this photo does seem to pop up in

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_03]: circumstances

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_03]: of strange of strange like deaths or encounters and

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Is slowly like losing girls in the photo

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_03]: as it is like maybe there's some kind again some kind of count maybe not like an actual countdown but effectively a countdown because there's

[01:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: they're using the the the girls that are hovering in the photo as like a um

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of a measurement or is like a

[01:50:25] [SPEAKER_03]: As a resource of magic maybe

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like saw it is it's basically

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, like a glimpse into the future of what's gonna happen to these targets

[01:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they just go missing. We don't know what happens. Yeah

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, because in the past like five girls went missing and then this photo showed up

[01:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: um of five girls floating there with their their faces obscured. Yeah, and then

[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh actually and then in olivia's sister story

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[01:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Or I guess maybe not even olivia's sister story

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe in like olivia's story specifically like when she's on the bus and stuff of that

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps like somebody goes missing at the camp that we just don't know about yet

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why there's a fourth one missing or maybe that fourth person that that uh,

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Four like the one person's missing out of the five, you know olivia's version of the photo

[01:51:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Was the uh was was jane because she was like the spectral like ghost figure

[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And then

[01:51:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The the other the one that went missing in the photo

[01:51:28] [SPEAKER_03]: In the

[01:51:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Present like in the wraparound bit was ellie dying

[01:51:34] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of thing

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you're saying like it's basically it is premonition. It's kind of like foretelling the death of

[01:51:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Various girls on top of like uh, the two the five that went missing in the past

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like um

[01:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Was that is it? Um the ring when like there's like a phone call or something

[01:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like seven days or whatever the fuck. Yeah, that's uh, that's the ring. Yeah, it's that just it's a picture

[01:51:57] [SPEAKER_01]: This shit's about to happen

[01:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that's the way I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a death omen basically pretty much. Yeah

[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: One of us is probably right

[01:52:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe

[01:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um mm pratt if you do listen to this and and check it out

[01:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a little some some clarification might be nice

[01:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps or or you could also just tell us like read read other read other stories like we're just like

[01:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: We're still hung up on this one story and we are supposed to read a bunch of other stories

[01:52:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But to be honest like our opinions right now should mean like dick diddly until we read everything else

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we don't have proper context. Yeah, or at least should be like have some like our our our um

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, our our views here and our opinions here should be put with a grain of salt because

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: We have we don't have the full story because we haven't read a bunch of the other stories yet

[01:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and once we get one or two stories in our pockets, i'm probably going to

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: redo my recommendations of this story once things have been clarified assuming things get clarified

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: We shall see

[01:53:08] [SPEAKER_01]: yes

[01:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Look to the fall guys because we're gonna be doing a bunch of these stories in uh, starting in like two weeks

[01:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, i'll move on yes, so it's um, it goes on describing how

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: There's identical quaterplets quadruplets. How do you pronounce that? It doesn't matter. Um

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Quadruplets there you go. Thank you. Um, and like but like one of them's a bat monster

[01:53:40] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah how

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like is it a identical twin if one of them is a disgusting bat monster?

[01:53:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think like from the get-go and some of that so

[01:53:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they do reference like they were they were they were all perfect because of a genetic like genetic manipulation

[01:53:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And so i'd like the last one like it looks like it should look like them except it's also begun

[01:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Something went wrong and it became more monstrous

[01:54:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But like it's still kind of like basically right out right at the gate. It looked weird

[01:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But they were still calling it an identical twin. Yeah

[01:54:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And then my next one was just um learning the word sin. I didn't pronounce forget how to pronounce this

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Syndactily, oh, yeah, I gave up on that one. Yeah, I know what it means, but I gave up putting how to say it syndactily

[01:54:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably that it's basically when yeah when two of your digits are fused together. Yeah. Yeah like thing creos from mass effect

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That paw that pregnant pause was amazing. It's just like loading information

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I think they'd had the same thing like she like two fused hands or two fused fingers so

[01:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, actually, okay. My next one was just

[01:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned the whiplash at the end. They already talked about that. So my last note is basically just

[01:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: overall, um

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this was going to be in the final but I brought it back into standard notes

[01:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Overall, this is basically a story telling a story disguised as another story

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. Tropic thunder, but in doing so it's like

[01:55:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So far removed from the actual creep that's happening

[01:55:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yet to me

[01:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It was still creepy when the creep did happen

[01:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is a feat with considering how many layers away from it it is

[01:55:27] [SPEAKER_01]: The creep being that there's this creature that is like basically picking a target of a family

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And just erasing them and then moving on to another one and like you see it being passed down through families

[01:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the photo is disappearing. Yeah. Yeah

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah like I think that's that is supposed to I think that's supposed to be the overarching

[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Like focused mystery here is the photo transferring between like incidences. Yeah, basically my

[01:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: partial recommendation of this

[01:55:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Story is based on that story nothing to do with the not werewolf

[01:56:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Um the shot at the start which is maybe a bullet maybe a camera

[01:56:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, none of that. It's about the transfer of the photo

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That is what this story is about and that's what my thoughts are basically focused on

[01:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[01:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but also like

[01:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this is someone recounting a story that happened to them six years ago

[01:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I did find it odd how accurate their memory is like going into explicit detail about what her sisters would say

[01:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like while they banter and interrupt each other. It's like word for word

[01:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile you're writing this down six years after the fact, I can't remember what happened word for word last week

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Previous recording. I mean to be fair though stories do that all the time like authors do that in stories all the time

[01:56:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know it may not be that like they they they know they actually know like word for word

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They're just they're they're writing they they have the cliff notes and then so they're just like kind of like writing

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: As if they were told it like so they're basically like trying to get the the broad strokes in finer detail

[01:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and that works when it's like and i'm not on omniscient narrate her stuff, but this is olivia writing this down

[01:57:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Something that she remembers from six years ago

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I feel like it should be kind of glossed over a little more not

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Be so specific with all the wording with all the interruptions and stuff

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's true. Um, I mean the other the counterpoint to that is that like you'd also don't like it may not

[01:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: If you write it that way, it might be too vague and may not be interesting to read

[01:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So like some again like you see it not like authors do this all the time

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Where like they they recall something and then have these scenes where it's like scene like dialogue for dialogue conversation

[01:57:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That like yeah

[01:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: No, the character should not know that the the that dialogue exactly the way it was

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's a little bit of leeway with that because like they're being a little more flowery because they're writing this into a story

[01:57:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, even even when there's no even when they are the narrator and not like an omniscient one

[01:58:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They still do that kind of stuff. So i see that olivia is basically

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_01]: she remembers the cliff notes version of what her sister said and

[01:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically is writing down sentences that they said as a light quote not a direct quote

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I mean she is going to a writer's camp. So

[01:58:24] [SPEAKER_03]: She there is a precedence here for her to be kind of flat like be a creative writer

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Should I bring up the fact that we're having so much problem with the writing about a story about a character?

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to writing camp

[01:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I probably shouldn't bring that up probably not good thing. I didn't anyways, uh

[01:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's definitely good honestly until finals, all right until finals one of my in school, Jesus christ

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Until final thought wrong with me

[01:58:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, all right. So yeah on to final thoughts then

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_03]: See, yeah this this iteration i'm not gonna lie confused me quite a bit

[01:59:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Regarding the wraparound plot and its connection to the original story. Um

[01:59:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That was olivia's blog site kind of story that we got the plot like that plot

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Um again, I guess it was to introduce the photo and how it's been changing over like multiple

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: encounters

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Um that that i'm just getting that now though

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Like after we've had like a two hour long conversation about things like this

[01:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and and after i've read the story three times and it's now finally clicking for me

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like not to interrupt but like that's the problem is like there's too much going on in the story. Basically

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. I think right there

[01:59:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't focus on what the story is

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_01]: It's focusing on all the stuff that happens around the main story as much as it's focusing on

[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The actual plot of the story which I think the plot should take precedence

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, and

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly like from the original story like all the stuff that was mundanified in this version

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel kind of ruins this story because

[02:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: With all that information that we had like with like the like the mention of like the chick charnys and the goblin market

[02:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And all and some of that

[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That was world building. So like I enjoyed that aspect of it. So it was bring back wolf cop. Yeah, bring back wolf cop. Yeah

[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, where's wolf cop?

[02:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, like I think um

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Like by by removing the fantastical element you're kind of

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Showing the glaring issue of how just how much like guff there is

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that's muddying the the vision or muddying the focus of the story

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, because if you add those other things in and you treat it like like a mundane thing like a post like a

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: magical realism stuff

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like whimsical and like world building and like so you're willing to give the story a little bit more of a past

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like what's this crazy weird stuff that's going on that's being treated

[02:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Normally like a monday like like everyday life like slice of life stuff

[02:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Um

[02:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's just like there's there's some there is some cool stuff here and and there is

[02:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like as we've talked here, there is a mystery afoot

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That was just starting to unfold actually

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But then the story stops like right at the end like when things were starting to like be revealed

[02:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It just kind of comes to an end and like there's clearly some connections to other stories that we do need to read

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And we are going to read and and look at and hopefully that will give us more context to this version of the story

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And like well it might bring to light, uh some things that we aren't really getting

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: As we're just reading this story as a standalone

[02:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: um, but like the fact still kind of remains like I I do feel like even when you're doing that kind of

[02:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: thing for like where you're you're

[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Creating like a stepping stone set of stories to get to an overarching mystery. You still need to like

[02:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Make the story it's the the story you're telling in that moment

[02:01:58] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Coherent and sort of like

[02:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Give it context that it can be read on its own as well

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And not just simply like a chapter in a series of stories that are all just chapters for a greater whole like

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah the greater whole

[02:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Um

[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, it's just uh

[02:02:22] [SPEAKER_03]: To me it was sort of like as it is right now. That's why I can't recommend this story as it is

[02:02:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Right now because I was left so confused and discombobulated by what was going on

[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe once we've read a bunch of the other stories that were connected or that are supposed to be connected to this one

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll get more i'll get more context that i'll appreciate this more and maybe give it a partial even a full recommendation

[02:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: As it is though for me now, I can't recommend this one. So that's fair

[02:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? It almost feels like i'm gonna interrupt

[02:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? It almost feels like it almost feels like

[02:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, this story starts

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Directly when another story ends

[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: including like where that story

[02:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Explains like who amanda is or vanessa. I forget which one vanessa

[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Who vanessa is where they are how this has a connection to the mayor that we all know about like

[02:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it directly connects after that

[02:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I I have a feeling so so here's what we got. Um

[02:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a story that was so we were given uh, like a we got a comment from mm

[02:03:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Pratt from our previous story like I had mentioned way way at the beginning of this episode

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Um that gave and they gave us a bunch of stories to read after we read summer break the original one

[02:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: One of which was a prequel to summer break

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's this retelling which is the one we're doing right now

[02:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: so I have that in our roster like the the um,

[02:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The the prequel to the original summer break

[02:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe the the ellie lambert story

[02:03:54] [SPEAKER_03]: might

[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically give us the prelude into like what we just kind of stumbled into with this story

[02:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh because it's about ellie before she died

[02:04:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then there's the other ones like the the short hogger

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is referenced and but that's the whole that's again like that's the four stories that we need to cover

[02:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Which we will in like the next couple of weeks or months

[02:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Four stories in seven weeks from now

[02:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean kind of yeah

[02:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you get where I was going with that? No, sorry four score and seven years ago

[02:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: ah

[02:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't say that no one got

[02:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Once you finally explained it. I got it. Yeah, that's the best kind of jokes

[02:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to fully explain and then no one laughs at after that. I love those jokes

[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh

[02:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So Mikey these days for evil what's your final recommendation

[02:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Well

[02:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The final thought is well it's a rehashing of a story we've already done

[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And

[02:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: as

[02:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Cultists has pointed down it removed

[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the fantastical stuff

[02:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That was originally there

[02:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and if I recall correctly, I think i'd like that a bit more because you know wolf cop

[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Wolf cop yeah, which I wolf cop actually isn't in the original version of this story

[02:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But he he was in like I think he was we we reference him in like

[02:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: A story or two before that one before summer break. Yeah, so

[02:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: um anyway, so

[02:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: the end the

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: issue with the um

[02:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The scene with lash really did not help this story

[02:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[02:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: For me anyway

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and the

[02:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: At the end of it

[02:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: What do we have a photo with

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: A slightly different number of girls

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a photo with murus intent is what it is. Yeah

[02:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And so

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And like for stuff that we get that's new we don't actually get a whole lot new because they basically put

[02:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: a wrap around for the

[02:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Different story and the wrap around is actually really short in comparison. It could just

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Literally have been

[02:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is what we're reading and here's a link to that previous story

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And then yeah, yeah, no like legit that

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Wrap around does muddy everything you're you're not wrong. Yeah

[02:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Um

[02:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: so

[02:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh as it stands i'm still not recommending this

[02:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That is fair

[02:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: gamer

[02:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: so for me

[02:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: When you finally get to the actual premise of the story

[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's good in my opinion

[02:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: because I like the um

[02:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I like the whole point of the story of the the creature that's kidnapping people and doing god knows what with them and

[02:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: moving on to a different

[02:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh host family

[02:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool. Um

[02:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But like

[02:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Reading this there's like so many characters to keep track of and so many characters that we don't already know

[02:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And like we said before it's assumed that we know them even though

[02:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're not all introduced fully

[02:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: um, so jumping into this

[02:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: in the middle of this series is like the most media res of media res

[02:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And um, yeah that part bugged the hell out of me. Um

[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I can't res an inception had a baby

[02:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true because it's so many layers deep

[02:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: um, but yeah

[02:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I can't

[02:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: properly

[02:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Even give a right recommendation

[02:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like due to being thrown in the deep end here. Um

[02:08:12] like

[02:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Should I be viewing this as a story that stands on its own?

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: If that's the case, I can't recommend it because there's so much not told if

[02:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm recommending it as it is as just one story. You read it and you're done

[02:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't stand on its own

[02:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: There's assumed knowledge from the previous two entries and

[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Ones that follow it apparently as well

[02:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So like most of these characters in the world that's in the world setting should be explained in all this

[02:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So if that's the case then sure I'll recommend it but as it is

[02:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Because i've had like such a struggle trying to understand the setting of the characters

[02:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yet, I like where it went by the end

[02:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to give it a partial because I do like the mo with a monster. I just don't like

[02:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: How deep in the mud the monster is?

[02:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to dig them out

[02:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: You had to wrench them out of the mud

[02:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[02:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Now that it's all fair fair assessments of the story

[02:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like we didn't talk about it at the end when like

[02:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's out of the box literally and it's like some weird like spidery thing. That's made out of like human

[02:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: fingers and stuff

[02:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I I think that was just like how they were describing like the gnarled desiccated hand

[02:09:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Was like a spider

[02:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. Yeah, right because it was just a yeah, I thought it was like some weird actual like

[02:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: No, no

[02:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, thank you

[02:09:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it is

[02:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah

[02:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, no, I i'll say i'm with you a gamer with this is like I

[02:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I I kind of I I was a little bit more like decisive of like

[02:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't recommend this as it is like as a standalone

[02:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But like maybe once we've read a bunch of the other stories that are connected

[02:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It might shed some light on this and it might make like this like

[02:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: it's the the sum of its parts kind of thing like

[02:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: This plus the other stories like build a better build a better store. I build a better hole kind of thing

[02:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: So but yeah

[02:10:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So still partial recommendation then

[02:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah overall a partial because there's aspects I really like about it, but there's aspects

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't like about it and depending on

[02:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether you're reading this in order or if you're just thrown in the deep end

[02:10:51] that's

[02:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The I can't narrow it down because there's so much I like and dislike about it, which is kind of partial so fair

[02:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Partially recommend it which but my thoughts will probably change for the better or the worse when I have more context

[02:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[02:11:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, every time you say like i've been tossing to the deep end. I can feel accused accusatory eyes on me

[02:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: For doing that

[02:11:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't trying to but yeah

[02:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you can't see me you don't know what i'm doing. You don't know i'm staring directly at you in your in your direction

[02:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here. Um, but yeah, yeah

[02:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. Well, um, I guess that's it then for tonight. Uh, that'll do it for this week's episode

[02:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so two non-recommendations and then one partial recommendation

[02:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: honestly the one one of the one of the non-recommendations is also kind of conditional if

[02:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You've read other stories. Oh like perhaps if you've read other stories

[02:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh that are that are connected to this one like maybe it'll make it better

[02:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[02:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: That'll have to wait until we have read some of those other stories

[02:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, which will be coming up at some point in the few in the very near future

[02:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So, um, but uh, yeah, uh, that's it for tonight

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[02:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And post online for people to enjoy and and read through

[02:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: We really wouldn't have much of a show because we'd have nothing to talk about like seriously curtis

[02:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like as much guff as much gripe as we gave this story

[02:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I genuinely want to read more about curtisville and like the the stories of mm pratt like they are

[02:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They're genuinely interesting to me

[02:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I look forward to them whenever we get to them. So

[02:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think next time you need to really hold on to the idea that

[02:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You're in shadow run. Sorry mickey because

[02:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes it better

[02:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion it do if you try to struggle with it

[02:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Not saying that it is or isn't that seems to be where the problem is

[02:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I again I still like the idea I still really like the idea that if like the reason why nair

[02:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't reading that in the story is because there's some kind of glamour or something on the story

[02:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can seal it from the normies basically

[02:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But um, but I digress so thank you, uh out there who those who uh who write these stories and post them online

[02:14:12] um

[02:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Until next time I have been your host review cultist. I'm mickey the eastern's feeble

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