ADR - Episode 534: Plot Growers 10 - Persephone Springs

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have there and welcome to Plot Growers, where we brainstorm and cultivate ideas and

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: try and make something interesting and spooky.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight we have a very special episode as I, Review Cultist, are live at RPX's Adams abode

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_02]: in Kentucky.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the holler.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And we are sipping a Malort cocktail called the Elder Things.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I do want to kind of preface this internet people, well it's a horrible drink.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's at Review Cultist's.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I agree and disagree.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Every Review Cultist has a sense of self-loathing that makes him break this stuff.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But when we miss it with the Elgin flower, is that what it's called?

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Elderflower, yeah.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Elderflower Malort and tonic water and some lime juice.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also a bit of a ol' generic sprite in mind.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It turned out tolerable.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a bad drink.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're sitting in Kentucky drinking a horrible questionable concoction and we're going to

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: make up a horrible questionable concoction, aren't we?

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: In Plot Growers?

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Indeed we are.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a little earlier we started talking about some ideas for a recording and we

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: decided to stop talking about it and actually get way till we got the recorder going

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: so we could actually get this down and give this a little special episode for our Aldente

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Rigorotis listeners.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, Review Cultist is in Appalachia right now in Kentucky with me.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go to GenCon and have a great time.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And honestly when we were kickstarting it was really wanting to do something that's

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of local of some sort.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean we've been to Point Pleasant West Virginia yesterday, saw the Mothman Prophecy.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the Mothman.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We saw the Mothman Car Show.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Mothman Car, yeah there was the Improp 2 Car Show.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We ate in a place called Hillbilly Hot Dog which was on the side of the street on the

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_00]: way to Point Pleasant from Huntington, West Virginia and we ate in a dilapidated school

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: bus deep fried hot dogs which was quite nice.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So you would think that something like this was something that we would talk about

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: but instead it was us driving by a power cut-zu on the side of the road.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And seeing like the trees and even some of the stumps and the stuff of trees kind of look

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: like fingers like kind of poking through the cut-zu.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we had the opening kind of inspirational idea was what if cut-zu but zombies or a

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: necromancer or some kind.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of the seed idea initially.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we started kind of brainstorming what we could tie in like the Gardenelle which

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: is an Appalachian folk monster.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't know what a Gardenelle is it's a sort of like a Venus human trap.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It lives in the woods and it mimics a cabin that's overgrown and stuff and people go

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: seek shelter and then oops, it's actually a mouth and you get eaten.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So we were thinking of the idea of like well what if like a cut-zu thing?

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was like shaped like a Gardenelle.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But instead of eating people it actually sends them into another reality like another like

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: a green space like some kind of very verdant other world.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that got us kind of thinking about that and we were thinking well like let's do some kind of

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: let's make another town, let's make another strange town with some spooky stuff in it.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And the idea of Persephone Spring came to mind.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Persephone Springs is what came to mind because first off I mean Iker Falls is in the area

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: or is supposedly in the area of West Virginia and Kentucky here.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And on my drive down through Ohio and then into West Virginia there's a lot of Greek names.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of what I wanted.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That was the stepping stone for like we need to, this town needs to be named after like something Greek.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So Persephone being like the, I think a goddess of growth and of springtime.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that she is also Hades' wife, sort of ranged wife in a way.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: For half the year.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for half the year down in the underworld.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that kind of also helped us come up with the idea of like one of the monsters or one of the key things

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: or one of the key spooky elements in the game or in the story or in the setting of this idea.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That being what if like there was a girl or some kind of a daughter like figure

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that had plant-like abilities or like the plant powers kind of focused around.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And that got us talking into an idea of like what if the daughter figure, this little girl figure was originally a,

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: how do you describe it?

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a pregnancy that wasn't expected or like it was kind of like oh no, I have this kid

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and my husband is going to be pissed because it wasn't with him.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well so I'm going to back up.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Back up a bit, yeah.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me back up just a tad bit.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So we kind of discussed this through the lens of the Renegade games, Kids on Blocks RPG.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And it has like a really great kind of town creation as you go to setting things up.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I promised review cultists that I will run a game and just there's a couple of things that could come in a way

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's kind of my current way well is wanting to run a Kids on Blocks scenario

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and I've actually even made up another one that is set in eastern Kentucky actually around Pikeville

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: which is the home of the Hatfield, McCoy feud.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was really looking forward to showing review cultists a bit of my memories of the 80s growing up

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and I kind of when we were discussing this and Appalachian was one of the first things that review cultists was recommending that we work with

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: but I quickly were driving down the road going to Bucky's because I wanted to show review cultists a gigantic gas station with a hundred.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The commercialism incarnate.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and really we on Android Auto I had a button I asked Google if a kudzu existed in Canada.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And yes, kudzu is in Canada it's invasive species in America and an invasive species in Canada.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So at my request since I am looking forward to sharing a bit of my memories of the 80s

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and what it was like growing up in real Kentucky.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I have requested that this monster be set up in Canada like lower was it Greenbelt Ontario?

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Southern Mid-Southern to Mid-Ontario somewhere in like the Greenbelt.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're from Ontario you know that there's a large swath of pastoral and untouched wilderness land that is known as the

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: known colloquially as the Greenbelt like it's on signs everywhere and stuff like that especially when you're driving down from Toronto or Hamilton to Windsor and such.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And to get back to the child Canada fought in World War II.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I would like to thank that a nice Canadian family was split up by the male going to war and he's been gone for a while

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and he came back and now he has a child that mathematically doesn't add up.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So however we have it whether if the mother did this herself.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we kind of settled on the father.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The in quotes father taking the child and like a kind of a fit of rage going out and like finding a...

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I'm not entirely sure if we have a lot of singles up in Canada.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We do have caves and systems and stuff down especially in Ontario.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So like that was like the child was thrown down like a mythical Spartan situation and then the child went down into the ground, into the underground was actually saved in a way by this like plant like creature this growth that dwells in the underground.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it saved the child but then on his way like away from the creek scene of crime.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The father figure either on his way back to his car or even in his car maybe a single hat opened up and swallowed him up and he ended up into the growth but in a different way.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And we had this idea of the child and the father both became beings ingrained in the growth and influenced this like kind of blank slate growth creature with their emotions or the child of the innocence and the father with his anger.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And so like we have these two clashing factors now in this supernatural growth that's under the earth.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And don't let the mathematics of age and all that I would like to imagine this child's about nine so maybe when we came back from war your marriage is gone.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of deal like that and then acts a desperation like we're not worried so much about it but we're wanting to make like a dual nature monster relationship kind of deal between like a yin and yang kind of deal like that.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to say that in Canada.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I want you shared with me many times over the years like videos that commercials and crazy stuff like that from the Canadian Broadcast Corporation kind of deal.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to see your childhood memories.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to run this game one day but.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I will run it.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I will also hopefully one day I will write some stories in Persephone Springs.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly the Persephone Springs as a name works kind of in terms of Ontario stuff because we got a proton junction.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Somewhere up near the Great Lakes so yeah there's definitely room for like strange named towns or uniquely named towns and up there too.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And unlike other like us creating a monster or something like that I think it's important that we create the world of Persephone Springs first so.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we did the same thing roughly about what Mike Maple Moose County and things like that.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Maple Moose County and I'd like to think that these are also the same kind of universe but like Maple Moose County is just a little farther north.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the southern Ontario like the southern tip of Ontario that we're dealing with versus like the north like the Skoka and Lake Country area.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So Persephone Falls also the idea is like that the growth the supernatural stuff didn't start with the father and the daughter.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just kind of like one of the newer additions to the weirdness of this place like the growth has always been there.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's some kind of element that's always been there probably like see through from another dimension or another reality and is responsible perhaps for

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Disappearances and strangeness around this town that we've we've created.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And again southern Ontario is very agrarian like even with the Greenbelt there's also like tons of farms.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: There's Mennonite communities.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like where I used to live on the northern tip of the Greenbelt there was back in like the 20s to the 50s it was very farm like farm focused

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and produce focused.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So the honestly the town itself and its inhabitants are also a character.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that I'd be remiss if I didn't explain to you all in just in case you're unfamiliar.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So Kids on Bikes is again Renegade Studio.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm using the first edition but I had the second ad trust me about the same on a lot of things here.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go through character to character creation of it or to tell you.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Kids on Bikes is something that emulates shows that you fear it by Goonies and Stranger Things and whatnot.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say did you see Stranger Things?

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's basically Kids on Bikes like it's that genre like it stemmed from like the 80s thing of like the Monzer Squad,

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the Goonies, the ET, the extraterrestrial.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You're welcome Adam.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I insist on it.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah those kind of movies of like kids like getting on their bikes and solving a mystery in their town.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's for definitely for pre-information age of like the internet and whatnot.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And kind of going with this nostalgia.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the thing that I want us to ask first here and I'm using the original book and I'm on page five.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: What would you be comfortable depicting?

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you do 80s, you know 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s or early 90s?

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably early 90s because that's where I grew up.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That was when I was old enough to like know or to experience biking to school and playing with friends in the local neighborhood and such.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We can do that.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's good.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We can be ambiguous and it doesn't have to be the true Nondies.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It would be our Nondies.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Also there's nothing saying we can't convert the setting to different timelines.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Much like in Iker Falls, which you may have heard us do like two years ago.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Cover up some stuff or cover some stuff about like Iker Falls had like it was set in the 1800s.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when the coal mine stuff.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It dealt with like a 1960s situation 1920s to 1960s eras and then into the 80s.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So there could be different like timeline that we can do like different set systems with the setting.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Can we make some concessions here real quick?

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give one you give one.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I was born in 1980.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember the 90s.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: A little bit clearer than you did.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But like I'm flexing.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm seven years older than you.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But I would like to make this that the technology level we're dealing with there are computers.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But the internet is really not a thing and if there is internet it's really a dollop BBS system.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even know if you're familiar with that.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit because my dad did have like a lot of like old computer stuff.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why I was in like early 90s not like like late 80s early 90s.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So like it's sort of because like nothing like it doesn't go like immediately swear like 1990.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: All right we are now like like 90s style like our aesthetic.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like there was a meshing like it didn't it didn't happen overnight.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But the switch to like the 80s aesthetic to the 90s is that if you're researching you're not.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Ostavista SGT or any of those early web browsers you're pretty much using the cycle pretty Britannica that your family has in the home.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to library so that's my concession for like this not concession this is what I want as a concession here.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think offhand would you like to see and if as a GM or as a player this game.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: For like in the setting in such a way.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah in our world I'd like to see so I'm a big fan of like we've talked about this before like I love Monster and the Childish things kind of like that the things that that invokes so like buddy horror that's brought up a couple of times.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they read more this buddy horror like we're a monster or the horror the horror is from like the monster kind of becoming friends or becoming an ally or like affiliation with the person and trying their best to like relate to that person but they're monstrous so it's kind of hard.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like that idea I like the idea of that.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Do we want to have like a humanizing element to the strange.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like horror wholesomeness or like wholesome or is the idea so that comes to mind.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Man that's totally perfect.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It comes from like ET because like ET is an alien like and like he was definitely like parasitically in like as we mentioned on our special episode of ET the extraterrestrial ET was definitely like parasitically like siphoning like the life force of Elliot during that movie.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He was definitely using some siph powers to bond with Elliot.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I like that idea of like again monsters like they love their kid they love their friend like they love this human this person.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They just don't know how to be human about it like it's like my favorite thing about like some some takes of a Lovecraft mythos stuff is like the me go.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They're horrifying because they don't get us like what are you we're like we're taking you across the world.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the stars to like travel like to like distant planets.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you screaming all civilization like our civilizations don't find by having our brains put into canisters and sent to the space like well we don't need your eyes or your your your nerve endings.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: No I can totally get that.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the fear the horror is like isn't that they're malicious is that they're incompetent or just don't understand what they're doing.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see some I don't want any of my games to be a misery simulator and it doesn't seem like it's going to be we're grinding this or we're trying to recreate that childhood innocence and wonders of like the Goonies.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like we've also had this conversation before with like Little Fears because like it was another system that deals with like childhood fear and horror genre.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And you had some like you had some hesitations when I first brought up way back when we were doing the ectozoic part games sure one less die and RPX if you're curious to listen.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like football.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I will never run a little fears game or a monster of the Childish Things game that is strictly like grim dark or like all the children die at the end there's no happy ending there's no hope.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to run it like a Saturday morning cartoon or like ET the extra or the Goonies or Monster Squad where like the kids at the end of the day are going to save the day.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: There might be some casualties like secret like like in like in Stranger Things or Monsters Squad I think there were.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a little bit.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, some off camera off camera and stuff like that.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: There will be a happy ending or a whole or a really say like an ending that is like maybe bittersweet but not like straight up like doom and gloom.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's wonderful.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going through on page five.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Those of you that have the first edition of Kids on Bikes.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, turn on your hymnals at page five and we've already kind of went through the first part.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So here's what I want.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The Orbania takes place in the town of Persephone Springs and that is located in Southern on somewhere in the Greenville of Southern Ontario.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So like it could be like there's a lot of little towns that just dot the rural and scenic roads of like that aren't like the 401 or the 407 or anything like that.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You'd like somewhere in that green space, in that pastoral space of Southern Ontario.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you can correct me.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take the path.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So you do one, I do one.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So the next question is the industry or our location is best known for is, so I mean it's kind of a nature setup.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's wild and all that.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You know obviously we can't be logging and we can't be doing like things like that.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a whole lot of logging in that area.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I like the idea of regurgit.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea of the main industry in that area.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: What crop do you think would be?

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I know realistically I know that the crops of Southern Ontario are generally corn.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically Ohio.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's always Ohio.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's right in Ohio.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do like that.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I think corn.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, corn and like I think like I think it's really just corn honestly.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I could double check this.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_00]: This is our magic world.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It says what type of corn again?

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: What kind of corn?

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you say corn and what?

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to have to look to see whether there are things.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But like corn is the only thing that I always see when I'm driving down like through those back roads and those like country roads and such.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's corn and but if there's any variation there's like human consumption corn and then there's like maybe the larger industry is for like livestock feed.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean yeah there's a lot of like and a lot of Southern Ontario has been kind of like divided up into like massive like into like a large farm areas and stuff too.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So nothing too outrageous.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So here's what I was-

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Raring is not like in the realm of possibility.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_00]: What's your tale and famous for?

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What is it famous for?

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell maybe the caves.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there are like limestone caves and stuff in that area.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So like maybe there's like a maybe that's where like the spring like that where like what like Persephone Springs is actually a spring water kind of thing.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright so I live in a place where there was a famous spring.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you saying that there's a famous spring in a cave?

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that could be it.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe people even from and I don't mean to hijack this but like back in the day people would think that these springs have like

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: healing properties and like you know cured tuberculosis or the fountain of youth thing like that.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So what if that was the actual cave?

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like whether that was perhaps like-

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You make a pit?

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Like if there's a healing spring in a cave that was a bit of a-

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Or just the cleanest, it's the cleanest water like where like the the the it's the best water you can find around.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think around in certain especially where I live now up until a few like a decade ago we had we were

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: where I live now is like was like they we had the best spring water anywhere didn't even need to filter it or like put any chemicals in it.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And then a decade ago like a decade or so ago they went and kind of muddied that by adding like added like things to it to make it cleaner.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It ruined it.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely ruined it.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's clean in sterilized water but it's like it was clean before and then like but unfortunately because like a bunch of

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: industrial stuff happened around by they had to filter it.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The water table kind of.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And that could go and play into like the what with the spring water being like the having almost like a rejuvenated ability maybe.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: We could-

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh actually rejuvenated ability perhaps there is a like an old folks retirement home that's like where is it kind of like Kukun?

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I almost mentioned that when we were talking about it earlier.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Kukun?

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's from the 80s.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It's 80s him like mid-80s.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I also actually have a soft spot for it because it was one of the first like sci-fi films I ever watched as a kid.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah where it's like it has like maybe there's a retirement home nearby that has like that's been like using the water for like therapeutic things.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And if we're going with the growth is underneath the town in these cave systems perhaps like some of its pollen or even some of its sap has kind of leaked into the

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: water table.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: We can leave that to of course as a GM.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You get to decide what's true and what's not on these types of things.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's a lot of ranging opinions we can leave it kind of they really clean water found of youth.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_00]: A cure all kind of thing like that so they're-

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I also feel like you were missed to say like right towards the industry and also like what is known for maple syrup sugar shacking.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a staple in mid-mid Ontario like especially nowadays but like there are maple syrup festivals all around Ontario for a reason.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And those trees are growing near that water table.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And we were talking earlier like when we were doing our talk earlier we were talking you brought up the Mycelia network that like those.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing that like tree it's kind of been popping up more and more like scientific things that like trees in a forest are actually all connected via a Mycelia network.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So perhaps that again the growth is like kind of got its think it's got its tendrils and roots in all the local flora.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So just to be clear the Mycelia if I spoke if I said that correctly it's pretty much just what we're learning in all our trees and are connected by a network of sorts.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm going to have to pick something infamous something bad a stain maybe or something odd that mowers it.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have a miraculous like a nice thing and then we need to like maybe an urban like something kind of urban legend or some kind of like maybe a tragedy that happened in the town that's the forces become known for.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I will also say in that area but not to influence your thing like the father or the daughter does to the growth but yeah that area around London Ontario which is in that in this kind of region there is something known as the black

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: donkeys which is a which was a horrible kind of tragedy where like a whole where a family was for the bloody donkeys I think where they were the whole town supposedly murdered a family that because of like the reputation and it sort of like left a mark on the town.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm a lead towards supernatural now you can do it this is a GM what you want.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be an abnormal amount of a very high amount of big foot sightings or Sasquatch.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah I mean there are big foot up the sightings a lot up in northern Ontario but there's more here.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and also I was thinking so you remember our monster of the week game the uncles games when we were doing with the on RPX.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: On RPX.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: When we were doing with the Nova Scotia thing with the New England crab monkey.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and we mentioned that though we chose a town I think Kingsburg I think it was the town in Nova Scotia or it might have been New Brunswick but either way on the coastline and there was a lane that we're like oh we need to make a snare.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the Mossman Lane.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like yeah what if it's not specifically like a but it's a big foot creep like sighting or that's what everybody talks it up to.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But what if it's like a giant like mossy like Swamp Man or like Swamp Man kind of figure of the man thing creature from Marvel.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You decide no you're not stepping on my toes.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You decide it's so rumors.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so it might just be like maybe it's the father who just like stalk stalking around in the woods.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's some other entity that's like the good thick like well we'll probably we'll probably tie into the father more when we get we get to town thing but yeah there's so there's Sasquatch like we'll just be big.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah big foot sightings.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Economically our town is you can either descriptions you could say is robbery prospering floundering stagnant.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think floundering because at that point in like in the 80s and stuff like a lot of a lot of towns and rural parts of Ontario you see like there is sort of like a lost letter that there's like there's you can see the signs of like degradation.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Our rousing contribution to Canada is exporting our kids out of this region.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like the young kids don't like the ones that stay are like become like delinquents or just like our board and like the one like the kids like are able to get out like they're they can't wait to leave and go to like a bigger city to that's always a big thing with like.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Going to money and going to get it's.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's I feel like that's a universal.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah situation here and everywhere else.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Notable local organization is now I'm not familiar with Canadian organizations but I would like to say that one of our notable local organizations would be.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you haven't been Canada but I'm a common home makers.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Home makers.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So the home makers would be you know it's great.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a woman's club.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of do like that and it's you know if we were going to go back in time and stuff like that the ladies who were staying at home wives and mothers and stuff like that would get together and do good deeds or.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would help the home makers or like maybe that's also because we were talking earlier about the horticultural society because that's always a big thing is like like a in a small town regardless of where you are like some kind of like a botanical society.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And the hands like the earth mother or like something like our guy.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It borders on a little bit almost like a cult.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it's almost like a like a stepford wise kind of going.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We're kind of approaching this from children that I have lessons anyway so it's you know your mother maybe your grandmother or your aunt and all that but nobody talks about it.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_00]: The men just kind of blow it off is like.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the women's.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I just like that because you know you have like the Shriners or the Masons and stuff like that.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We have Shriners a lot.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like they show up like whenever we have the Santa Claus parade so that you know that the Shriners are going to show up and with their little cars and go around and some of that.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm putting a little bit of Appalachian is too but there's this thing and it's came up in our Dresden Foggy games which will probably be posted in 2025-ish but on RPX but there's this thing called a witchy grandmother or an Appalachian mamma kind of deal like that.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just like the idea of it being a more of maybe not acknowledged but like a matriarchal society that's kind of like you know the husbands are doing all this stuff here but the wives are doing the bookkeeping kind of things like that and organizing the power behind the throne.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Botanical book club?

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Could be.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Sort of like.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Botanical book club sounds great.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they do a book club but they also like figure out like they plot out plans for various events in town like specifically around the local park or something.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the town, I feel like-

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Sisterhood of the Botanical Gardens or something like that.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I feel like the town where the spring is like where the actual spring is has to be in like a central public park.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It can be.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a big thing in Ontario towns is having like public parks with like zebos or even like having some kind of modern.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a park in Aurelia that used to have- it was a public park, it's still a public park but it was this smack dab in the middle town and it had a natural spring water fountain that you could go to.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Drive by park over to it, pull out some jugs of water and get free water like free fresh clear water from it.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately the aquifer got tainted and much like everything else happens in the 90s but I remember I have vivid memories of my mom and I when we would go to our cottage.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: One of our first one of our few stops in town would be to go to that place to get to load up some water some some fresh clear water.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So and in like the- it's right in the middle of the park.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You realize you've answered the last question.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Did I?

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And local notable landmark.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Now there are-

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we could, I feel like the Persephone Springs like the actual spring I don't, I think there should be another like landmark other like that because I don't, that seems like it's like doubling down.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What's another one?

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Um.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me add to the springs one real quick.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a place in Kentucky called Kentucky Down Under and you basically pay money to go up there and pack kangaroos.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But on their property they also have like a small cave that's located on the property so it's not unheard of to have like tours and things like that.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There is and so growing up in the 90s my buddy or my cousin apparently this was a thing at least as far as I know in the 90s in Central Ontario in like the rural parts of Ontario.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: My cousin had plans to set up an emu or an ostrich farm because apparently that was a thing that people did in the 90s in Ontario.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Exotic pets, yeah.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And there are though God there's nowadays there's been a couple of exotic pets like kangaroos that have been like they've had to like the OPP has had to like track chase down off a road because it broke out of its exotic like panor like some local zoo like small zoo like there's we have we have the major zoo which is the Metro Toronto Zoo in Toronto but then there's just like

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: a smattering of like little zoos like the Elmvale Zoo that have they have exotic animals they have rhinos they have tigers and some of that sad camels.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Not they don't camels but yeah we similar kind of thing yeah.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're cared for and it's but it's like it's in the middle of nowhere there's in the middle of like this like of like between like between Toronto and Wasaba beach which is like Georgia Bay.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Why is there the zoo?

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: There with these kind of animals and they've got like buffalo and giraffes and everything like that but and they're taking care of it so that but it's just so odd that it's in the middle of the rural part of Ontario.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Do we have a zoo?

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we might have to have a zoo now at this point.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That does sound pretty cool.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The Persephone.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I wish there was like a Greek equivalent to Noah.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Or didn't have to be Noah.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It could just be Noah's zoo like a yeah.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I like that it's just being Frank's zoo.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: No it's just Frank's zoo.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's table that and here's what I want to kind of mention to the last question.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the local mascot?

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's got to be something plant-based or maybe it is even like the snapdragons.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That could give you leeway for like there are actually these weird creatures that are snapdragons.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: These flower-based dragon creatures.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Persephone Springs snapdragons.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Could even have to snapdragons or whatever.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean we can come up with a name of the zoo so we've got our town.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And at this point in time you know you're kind of talking about kids and all that and we're not going to that point.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you want to begin 37 minutes into this?

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_00]: 40 minutes? How do you want to begin introducing our monster?

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So we have mentioned before him that it was a not a father but an ex husband that was through things that I don't want to get into because I mean there's trauma and war and things like that.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But somebody who made a very drastic decision to get back at their wife or their ex-wife or to get her back or whatnot just has got rid of this child and inadvertently gotten rid of themselves as well.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So what's talking about Persephone?

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Persephone in quotes of Persephone Springs because that's basically what the daughter... I like the idea of them just being known as the daughter and the father.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they've lost their names perhaps or maybe that's a mystery that kids in a story could find is like find out what the identity of.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's a thing in Vossen, another RPG that we all love here and people should know that by now on El Deir Erecomortis since we had the year of the Vossen like a year or two ago.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Where there's mylings, like the idea of mylings which are children that were died at birth but they were never given a name and the spirits of those stillborn.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And so like we could be like that kind of thing where as like the child did have a name, the father figure did have a name but they have lost that name because of like their circumstances of their death.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Or the circumstances of their conversion to these entities.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So perhaps that might be part of the mystery and maybe the solution to stopping the corruption of the father's anger and his negative influence on the growth.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that somebody in the story or in the scenario has to find out who he was and remind him of that.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the advancement deleted.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe the housewives, botanical society, maybe they were behind it because maybe their matriarch was the mother.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Could be the kids' grandmother.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, their eldest matriarch was actually the mother who lost her husband walked out on her.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: She'd be a lot in the 90s.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like her husband walked out on her supposedly and she never had a child in quotes.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And like that because it's all been strict from the record.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember, of course I'll try to do it in context for people listening, but Adam do you remember the Adam Scott Glancy quote where it was like he found an old tome, an old book from a country doctor.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And there was like a bunch of crazy, basically all the births and deaths and so that.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's one that was born like 5 a.m. died.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: 5 05 a.m. cause abomination.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like what the hell?

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like obviously he died because of the malformer or something like that.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the idea that Adam Scott Glancy had for that was like this.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: What did this doctor have to put down?

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like it's like horrible squirming creature.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like what if that was like that kind of a book could be like a tome the kids could have to find to maybe find the daughter's name.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Trying to maybe that's the one bit of evidence that's left or that's been recovered.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's maybe in like maybe one of the characters, one of the kids or their grandfather, their great grandfather was that doctor.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like in somebody's attic or like maybe like something like that along those lines.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Microfiche kind of recordings that are removed from the library but are still in the library kind of thing like that.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And it could be like a well connected family.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the male figure, we call him the father but he's not the father.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But the jilted lover is...

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well the father in archetypal kind of like the scorn father or like the father, yeah the false father.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even maybe the false father was forced to, we came back raised a child to a certain degree until ashamed.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Until something happened, yeah.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe from the family, maybe from people all ridiculing him because I mean the kids obviously not his kid and it just, it boils over.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I think he should be a tragic figure that there hopefully could be some level of maybe redemption for.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah I mean either of those find that gives hints I think Persephone as we were discussing earlier.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So imagine you know dropping into a big hole and landing into a fungal growth that just is sentient and just capsules the child over.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I like the idea of Persephone being alive even now to some shape-former fashion.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it wasn't her death.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah like that makes sense.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a metamorphosis.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I think the father should have, he fell in and died but then it was brought back because of his sheer force of anger or the negative emotions.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah the child I think would be, it'd be best if they were saved by the growth.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then perhaps even like the growth gave them a sap that perhaps similar to the rejuvenant of abilities of the well, the spring well.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But because it was diluted by water now it's an undiluted source perhaps it gave her like more usefulness.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll figure out the nature of the growth and stuff as it goes forward.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to have this kid now and kids on blacks we have regular player characters that are playing pretty much tropes.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Jock.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Jock, nerd, loner, etc. etc. kind of thing like that.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to also have like a powered character.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever the inciting incident is and you know, off top of my head, maybe like say like a break in at a local family's house,

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_00]: size of a struggle, no bodies.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was an elderly person or an older guy or a single one person family or whatever but they're gone.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So the kids are kind of you know looking into it and then they kind of get introduced to weird.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Their research was going to kind of introduce them to Persephone.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Somehow some shape form of fashion maybe looking, finding footprints there in the bushes that the police did not notice and then following them to a location.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah somewhere near around or around like the the spring wall or locations in town that like are associated with like some of the disappearances.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe and I like the idea kind of of a mausoleum.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: A mausoleum.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of vampiric in ways and even the kids when they see this at a mausoleum like footprints that are leading back to our old steaks and garlic.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah they think it's a vampire but then.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it could be something else.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So I whispered mausoleum like I don't know if I picked it up but I mean that's kind of my thing with this so.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Well we had also talked about it something revolving around the dead that are buried in Persephone Springs.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Do we want to bring that up now?

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so the idea we come up with was again like Persephone the daughter and the father are newer things that are of strangeness in the town but like the source of the strangeness of this town is really the growth that has always been there.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the idea we had was like what if every person that has died and has been buried in Persephone Springs is actually like when they're in the ground they are collected in a way by the growth.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not like bodily but like their tissues or their biochemical memory of what they are or who they are is collected by the roots of the mycelium network.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I keep that.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of archived in a way almost like a sort of like basically every mind or the mind of every the memories in mind of every person that has been buried in Persephone Springs is inside the network of the growth.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So the idea we had was that the town is haunted by echoes of like occasionally you'll see people or like young like you might spot like through a window or in a broad and maybe walking down at night late at night.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You'll see like a young person or a child or even like an older person who kind of looks like your grandfather, like your late grandfather from like some of those old photos in your in your in your mom's house.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like it is it is that it is it is that person but it's an echo of what they were.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a save file away but it's an organic kind of supernatural save file.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They are almost like it's almost like a hallucinary apparition.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not an actual physical body but it's like that sort of gives like a ghost apper like out of a ghost angle of town as well.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Ghost spores.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Ghost spores.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And we also talked about that where like the what if there was actually like there's a local spores in the in the air or in the local or the spores in the local air that are kind of projecting this stuff in people's heads or even just like projecting it psychically as as an image.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We also talked about like even if it's not like a physical thing you hear you hear like the echoes of you hear voices of people that are long dead like ancestral voices but it's not even that they're like echoes or like repeated like repeated messages or voices.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's them still alive in the network basically in the in the growths of my silly network so it's like they can still like converse with living in a way which opened up an idea for like fortune teller who's like

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I got kind of going maybe something if I'm going too far ahead.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're fine.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This gave us an idea for another character that or person that's in the town who was like before he moved to this town he was like there he or she was it was a con artist like one of those people was like yes I'll read your palm or I'll like is your is your does your

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting an H is it Henry or Harry yeah like is that I'm seeing them in the like that it was like that kind of person that comes that they moved to this town and then they started kind of

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: something happened and they were able to tap into those kind of archived echo memories of echo consciousnesses.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And so they're kind of actually doing what they were where the were conning originally.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe they're not even aware that they don't fully understand what they're doing they they think they're actually talking to it's actually happening for real now, but it's actually they're tapping into this this network of like ancestral archives.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So really the monster in a way that we're talking about here is just memories that are a thrown intense and purposes I think it's like you are some of your experiences and your life and your like whatever's left of you in this it's a sum up there.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And we have and this is just something that kind of occurred to me but we if we're kind of using this negative figure in this positive figure or persevere and stuff like that.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that within this growth and this is something we were talking about like yin and yang maybe there's just been this division that has been philosophically developing in this consciousness.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Collective consciousness and stuff like that.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's almost a divide in the consensus sort of like the get from this effect where like there's a there's a ones that want to side with the reapers and there's ones that are against the reapers.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think what we which if we were going to recant I think that the park should be like a botanical garden and I think that the kid of what we're kind of working toward here is we need to figure out how to introduce Persephone to everyone else.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_00]: How does Persephone get out? Persephone is the memory of the daughter that perished.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of mentioned that the mother or the Gaia the whatever of this organization could possibly even be like her mother.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like was that yeah like as it gets revealed she was the like the mother of Persephone.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And the mother was the one who disappeared.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_00]: The mother that leader of that organization.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like that's what sparks the adventure.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what sparks the adventure.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe the mother has been communing with her daughter for her ever since she passed.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: She's been seeing yeah she's been seeing her more and more as you again like that's what and then maybe the father took the mother.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe here's an idea.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So mother been around like she's had this shame kind of like secretly secretly all her life from what happened.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: She's kept but she's been like this matriarchal figure for this the society of this in this town.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_02]: She's getting older she starts and something happens where Persephone makes it out of the growth and is back on the surface and

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: comes back to her mom and they start kind of conversing and so that and then but unfortunately because as the daughter has gotten out so is the father.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And so perhaps the father has actually is the one that's taken the mother and so maybe Persephone the daughter.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We we started the character the kids could go and investigating like why the mother characters gone again maybe they find out because they're all their moms and stuff that or their their and

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: so that are scrambling because without the mother as like the head figure the society certain to kind of like go into disarray.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So we start with that of like oh we let's let's find out see if we can find the mother this this this matriarchal figure and then we start in introducing scenes of like the this strange creepy daughter figure showing up.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And kind of encountering the kids and that first they think the daughter is the creepy element or like the thing that took the mother but then as they come to realize it's she's actually trying to get the kids help to stop the father.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense are my onto something or am I I think you're on to something but and then again this is just my suggestion.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_00]: The mother's dead and what if it was the fact that her death brought Persephone similar DNA.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the mother's dead in from her commune with her spore ghost daughter kind of stuff like that.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what's been driven what's brought the physical version out.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's maybe that's why there's not a body.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the kid came at that and we could do the reverse of that to the degree but maybe the brother of the father when he was buried like into casket.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows what happened to it.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We could have the actual father running around because these spores are coming up from the ground.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, family plot kind of deal like that.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like it kind of pulls away from what we were talking about earlier with like the daughter survived the thing has been kind of like kind of become an eternal character or an eternal entity.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But I still like the idea because like being reconstituted through the mother may still be there.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_00]: She may just be.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_00]: This is just a proxy.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And if we was cut to the end, depending on what the way the players play then the birth so to speak or like Persephone actually the Persephone from 1955 is like birth from the ground so to speak like that.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a nice kind of thing.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and perhaps like even when at the end like the story doesn't end really there where it has the potential to keep going because now there's this child that doesn't have that has her...

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Hasn't she?

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Her child that has an extended family but doesn't have her immediate family anymore.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's also not on any records because of what happened in the past.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And now we have our 11.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We have our character, our child that has the power and basically made the agrarian, the agraromancer.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she can communicate more thoroughly or even manipulate the growth.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And that would open up a bunch of things if we...

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Could have a sister that was alive too.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So like an old auntie.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And did I change that too deep?

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I do like that idea, yeah.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we have to have some dark slag.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't all be like oh look, my grandma's back even though she's like it's kind of screwed up because she's like she's the mother but also like 80 or 70.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I like the idea that we can treat the quote unquote fathers like a vector.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe, and we had spoke about this earlier when we were brainstorming,

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that he is able to infect the town people with these spores but he's, you know,

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_00]: he repurposes them for evil and stuff like that.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So the strife that our kids would encounter would be the grocer, the butcher,

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_00]: all these people that the kids had known that had been converted over.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the same token here we have our powered character which is like persecuting reborn so to speak from her mother

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and perhaps she has abilities that utilize nature.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_00]: They're running through the woods or being chased by this infected townsman

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and Persephone is able to use the IV or like poison IV or vines or something like that.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Even like a, do you have a upgrade for vines that grown in the woods up in Canada?

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got vines as well I don't know really where they're from.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_00]: They can like lash out at wraparound the people and stuff like that.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We have been purified vines which are like, they're vines that go up trees and then construct them to basically until they die.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We can have like our monster girl Persephone can do things like that.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean she's just kind of coming in and perhaps like she's just coming into her own because she was sort of unconscious for most of it.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: She was in a hibernative state.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back a little bit.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think we have our antagonists, we have our protagonist.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea and the reason I mentioned Bigfoot is I would like to think that this thing has been around time since Neanderthals.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay so, oh.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean there's a ghost and there's the things that can leave.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Why can't it be?

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like why can't almost everybody who's been buried in a cemetery be part of this collective?

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's almost like society of the dead that live below the society of their life.

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so you're now are they actually like phantom like a phantom civilization or is it like they're almost like swamp thing?

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like where their bodies have been like kind of augmented by the growth.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think these, I think that if they materialize it was like spores.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I like that idea more because like it's, I like the idea of like a subterranean civilization but I like the idea of them like of the, if they are in the underground it's sort of like an echo chamber of just all these like different consciousnesses and like they are maybe they have like forms of like little like groups in the collective.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you got it, if you have a family here and if we were playing with like the DNA similar DNA and stuff like that.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_00]: The ones that are able to come back are the ones that have like genetic traces that are still flourishing around.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of like the idea that like a big reveal that you have is that there's several prominent members of the town that have came back that are actually not only like they start out as like spores and all that.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But they materialize like Persephone and the father figure.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you find their character.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do like that too.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like sort of like especially like that's like after the events of the father and the daughter confrontation thing or like that situation.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what if we suddenly start getting like a few more or start showing up because they would be the coalesce a lot.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They see what happened with the father and the daughter and now they realize like well we can come back and we can like insert ourselves in the town.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the problem is also just the drain of the youth from the town and the people that move on and stuff like that.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like when that line's gone and unless they cart them back and they're buried in the town then did you watch Coco?

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't but I know some of the stuff.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: There's kind of a thing in Coco is like if nobody remembers you then you disappear.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there are some that are locked away and can't come back and there may be.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's like a desperate sort of vibe for like to be remembered which is again another thing like a legacy.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: The whole idea of like a legacy and so that.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's like what?

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: We've triggered Alexa in the back room.

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So you know maybe one of the bigger problems that faces the growth and all that is just how people leave and you know the ultimate end go for the game and all that is your part of this culture and it's almost like.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You should have expected this like come back at some point.

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he gives a lot of like the board kids like they.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the people in the town can always come back when they're older age like fish that return to their mating like you know salmon swim upstream.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there because again like I'm the idea that there's there are spores in the local air and that you've had it like that you've been taking a breathing it in or you've been drinking the water all your life.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You have some of it still in your in your system even if you leave there is it may trigger some kind of compulsion to come back.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Not quite like cordyceps but like something similar like something like that was like it's just trying much like how like the consciousness is influence all these consciousness influence the growth.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The growth can also influence the people.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that would be one of these things that maybe on page five like what were things for as everybody comes back.

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one of those things and it's and that's why there's the retirement home like it's yeah like they're there that retirement home is actually.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually pretty prosperous because there is sort of a strange odd an odd influx or like a cycle of influx of of older like of adults that come back to the town who grew up here and eventually got left but then they eventually come back.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And the brother and the brother above the man who got rid of Persephone came back.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Boom.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And then that's catalyst.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know I just like the idea that it's you know kind of like if you had like the invasion of the body snatchers where things are kind of going in and stuff like that.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there are wardens or caretakers there are gardeners.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the gardeners is like yeah that to be something that can do that.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So we kind of bounced around quite a bit with our idea as we're like literally spit ball and stuff here.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you kind of think of off the top of your head that we what we've missed so just recap we got to town.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: We got Persephone and are you comfortable with this kind of penning like do you like the idea that it's like everybody comes back or a lot of people can come back if they can.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like because it's like you missed it's almost like and they always just attributed to being like a sort of like kind of connected nostalgia.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like for their for when they were when they were younger.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But like the deep ones that actually that find themselves pull back to the sea kind of thing like like that.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost like an agrarian version of the deep ones.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that a lot actually.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have that.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We have the father and daughter kind of dynamic and like that kind of like mystery that has to be resolved.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't bring up when we were talking about this earlier we did bring up an I brought up an idea of a character I wanted to see in this in this setting that was a little bit more wholesome horror.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: In that so he's a we're walking we were driving by like some junkyard or some like scrap metal places around here.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I had this idea is like why don't we have a person who is a like scrapper he like but it gets cells and buys like used and scrapped cars for the for the metal and some of that.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And what if he has like befriended part of the like some aspect of the growth like a garden style thing or like the a giant like just basically a giant amalgam of vines that has kind of overtaken his scrapyard.

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And so like he's like oh yeah I can get you that part of them for sure I want to live in the back.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just gonna go check it out.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me go check my things and he goes in the back and like behind away from the kick from the customers and they just like whistles and like a vine like comes over and just like hey can you get that thing and like the vine goes back into the into the into the brush into the scrapyard and finds items for him and so that.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're kind of picking up scenes that we want to see too.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it is kind of like we are building the thing with a mystery but it's also a kind of sandbox.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a little bit of like something that like the players could actually explore the town.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fun that you mentioned the word sandbox have you ever seen the movie The Sandbox at James Earl Jones.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Sandbox or Sandlot.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Sandlot.

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes it was one of my favorite like kids growing up movies.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: The man in the junkyard.

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah with the monster.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah with the monster dog yeah.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the man in the junkyard is kind of one of the gardeners late stage.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I mean they age just like everybody else when they come back but one of the kids of our player characters that's gonna be his grandfather or it would be genetically like in the family line like a great grandfather or a great grandfather or somebody that you know the man would have taken an interest in doing.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What if so what if that particular family at some point down in the line like in the in the past one of the met or they encountered the creature or encountered this aspect of the growth became friends with it or like it was a lot like kind of like again became like sort of formed a bond with it.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's sort of one of those things well it's like well I'm my monsters keeper like through the through the generations like you should like at some point in your life.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like your you take up the mantle of the of keeping of caring and then like there's some kind of symbiotic relations between the humans and that family line and this ever existing like vine creature.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Scratch guards next to the family cemetery. Yeah.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the cemetery it's the collective. Johnson's baby and stuff like that. I don't know I like both of them. I kind of just like the idea that there's this little kid that is befriended by somebody who's like genetically like their family and then they've learned about the

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: monster and maybe the other ones that take over. We were talking about the sandlot and I like the I've always had I've recently seen this idea I almost had my heart crushed by it that of dogs like being men's best friend and like your dog is only with you for like a little bit of time but for you forget you are its entire life.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: What if the consciousness in that plant growth isn't people what if it is somebody's like your ancestors like faithful hound that was put in the cemetery and its consciousness ended up in the growth and has formed this creature this this kind of vine gardenel how this vine hound.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And it is because it's in the growth it's everlasting but it wants to stay with its master and so it sees the entire family. Every generation it finds a bond it bonds with one of the current generation and that be that's what like so it's like sort of a reverse like dog like human sort of situation.

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the best thing I've heard coming out of your mouth is a decade now.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It pulls my heart.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah because I've also heard it's like dog a relationship between a dog and a person and a human is sort of like the bond that an elf in fantasy and a human could have because it's like you are like the elf like let's say like an elf and a human couple like human only has a few decades.

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Elf's gonna live for centuries so it's like that kind of like like how like being having an immortal but in fact we are the elves to human to dogs.

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pet cemetery.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah we could go yeah we were talking we were discussing that idea of.

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if I'll just come back like everybody everyone of that lineage to like the people like you know the dog and it's so it's wild oats and whatnot just to kind of use a human term and stuff like that and on top of doing the scrap yard you're the dog catcher or you're the whatever

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you had that grove and then one of the puffs quote unquote I'm using that you know how animals sometimes just walk a wonder away and disappear.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah they just show up there.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And he lovingly and maybe he is actually human the man himself but he's like that's his.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's just yeah like perhaps.

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's cataract eyes he's almost blind he can get around with memory and with the help of the hounds and all that they even move stuff out of the way like if there was a ranch or a rave that was in the yard they'd pick it up and move it out of the way.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But they all just keep coming back and it's maybe one of the kids grandfathers.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah maybe I really do like the idea of like this sort of like vine beast.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh we don't parallel like that.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The first like yeah like at first like again it might it might appear like the beast from Sandlot.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It appears threatening but then you cut it's sort of like you ever you ever see Monster House.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Where like the also I get spoilers for Monster House if you haven't seen it.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The haunted house the giant Monster House is actually controlled by this possessed by the spirit of the old man that lives in its like dead wife.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Who was I think there were some issues and stuff with her but like basically like their love like she was kind of violent like she had some violent tendencies in life.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of what she appears scary as a Monster House except when it comes to him.

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So it could almost be like it's not quite like that same level but like that kind of idea of like this monster plant monster like giant like Audrey that's like.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like by Monster has the mind of the dog but it just keeps bonding with a with a generationally with a person that is take it takes up the mantle of owning the scrap yard next to the cemetery.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: In kids on bikes the powered characters controlled by all the players as I say it's a the game master would be the one who is making decisions and stuff like that.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see why the monster itself is not as a growth and not just Persephone and not just a divine monster.

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: These are just the manifestations of it.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They're different aspects of it.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So that one kid like you can only use it like if we were talking mechanically their point they're drawing like if you were going to use you know tell 11 to use a stranger's things reference like 11, 11 keep that door closed and then like she's using psychic forces.

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Just to keep the door closed and stuff like that you're burning that same point.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you ask 11 to you know sling a table at a creature or something like that I mean you're still burning that point.

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So like these the different manifestations of it you are the little girl can do certain things and maybe tied to a player because in the game I would give you like okay Chris you can control this or review cultures.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they all know your name but now.

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But they you can control this aspect and Dave you can control this aspect like you're just basically giving out if it's not an explicit like Persephone, Phyto kind of powers like that.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You like the idea of like maybe a little more.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know like I like the idea of them all being like connected to the same source the growth.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean from a game point of view I kind of like the idea that they are separate entities themselves but they are connected by the by the central source.

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you okay to central sources power being limited?

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that could work.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're burning like whatever you do you're burning.

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're if you prefer like if you're befriending them yeah like and you're using them in the game like yeah that's that way like you can use Persephone or you can get Persephone to help me out.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But you may not be able to help get Phyto as we're calling.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah just actually calling and also that could be the just the name that they end up calling them yeah.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean mechanically the way you can figure this out is like you can have two sets of siblings or something like that if your players were going up the game then your team Phyto, your team Persephone that you can kind of do this.

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's cool like Persephone's sister is the mother of.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So she should become her sister's keeper basically literally because yeah because she's because the sister grew up where's the Persephone even get to.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The mother passes away.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: The sister is coming back.

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Your kids are coming back.

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: They decided to move it's not like you know you're dying or anything okay but the pool for home.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're moving back.

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It brought two groups of kids back or two sets of kids back and I like the idea Persephone showing herself to her sister.

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I do like kind of doing your sister's keeper kind of thing if we came to the point that Persephone like whether we because I didn't like that.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the idea of children dying in general.

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: The growth goes back Persephone goes back to the growth and it growth releases the time sealed Persephone from 1950 something like that then you're taking care of your older sister.

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah they take it as your older sister but yeah like.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Eleven gets adopted by you know.

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: David Harbour's character.

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah kind of deal like that.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like I can't remember their actual character names or when I went on the rider again.

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like I like that idea like sort of it's like or it's like the flight of the navigator I think is what happens because like the kid goes into space with the alien or the spaceship then comes back and it's like years later and his parents are like much like far older and for him it was like a few hours maybe but like for the rest of the world it was so long.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So you have that kind of time displaced in a way a time displaced individual because they never got they sort of slept while the world moved on.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The monster divine monster dog Fado at the end the other two siblings there's a puppy right now outside their door at the end of it for like a happy ending.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I mean I think I like the idea everything we kind of come up with I do apologize.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I just couldn't see if there was a monstrous character without two monstrous characters and if whatnot approval want to utilize Fado so if we I mean.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the father would be monstrous enough for like as an antagonizing force yeah with with the daughter.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the brother never wanted to come back home.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's forced to like maybe he kept hearing his dad.

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's remained.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah maybe they yeah that could be it.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: He may have actually not only fled Canada he may have fled North America and then he just couldn't get couldn't get away.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They shipped his body back to me.

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You never want to face your own mortality and decisions that they made and stuff like that and you know if we're talking about somebody who would have been you know maybe in their late teens

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: 20s and the 50s and so you know this is somebody who was 65 which or sit in their 60s and something like that it could have been it could have been like a fruit catalyst that brought it back and never really specified and whatnot.

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe sort of like a thing where like the families even like if you die outside of the town like somewhere else.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The family the extended family will bring your will have your body brought back to the family plots like to the family cemetery.

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah you're a plot.

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's just something that's always been done like and like maybe it's not even written specifically but it's like something that's it's just the family does like any family in the town does because the influence of the growth

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and like the whole like the growth seems to have like this like archiving element of like it's like well we need these people back because they have some of the spores in them and we need to like we need to back up their memories.

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they bury them deep maybe they're buried deeper than six feet.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then you just kind of stack them like wood.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh god.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean there's a lot of little oddities and stuff like that I mean that could have been the the infamous kind of thing like that.

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think we've got a fair amount though so far like we definitely have the bones for a scenario for like both the setting and the scenario.

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah kind of it almost sort of like kind of a hybrid kids unbox things to the degree like I said like the the powered kid is actually the growth but there's the how that is.

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay now I get that's what you mean like the growth the the the growth itself like underneath the town like the source of all the weirdness is basically the powered kid but the powered kid has different there's different aspects.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: They're avatars.

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's multiples like they exist at the same time because like again like there's the hat there's Fido there's there's Persephone there could be something else like the Moss man.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's maybe even the Snapdragon so that's a point coming to play.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And we just had this viral fungal spore kind of thing.

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And here's something that I just thought of what if it starts effectively you search cat you can actually tap into the the mycelia when you're alive through dreams.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You see it.

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Internet.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the internet before the internet yeah because you guys like everybody in town has the network it has been has been influenced by the network because of like either the spores that they breathe in or that they've ingested in some capacity so it's in your body.

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: When you live here when you live in this town long enough here it's it's in your body so you basically have like you could have the whole thing whole adventures or whole like parts of a mystery where it's actually like it's sort of a shared dream sequence or shared dream lands kind of

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: thing like how they love crafts mythos with the dream lands is like a collective unconscious collective unconscious reality.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They're having a sleepover scene they're having a sleepover at one of the kids house and you know kind of thinking back to like those bloody Mary bloody Mary or lighted fingers as a board kind of like things that you seen like people could lift them up with two

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: fingers and whatnot somebody off the ground.

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea of walking out to the garden per se if any walks out to the garden there's a sunflower seed there she pulls the flower the bolt the head to seed and all that and brings it in and they're all sitting at a table and then spores kind of come up from the

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: sunflower and they all have like a spirit journey kind of yeah like and you could you could do something like that.

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to go on like a little more like again because it's a little more subtle.

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Again it's we do a scene where there's a scene where it's like they're all having a sleepover party kind of sleep over thing.

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: We it opens up it starts off with like just like fun games and stuff like that and then when everybody goes to sleep they're all dropped into the same dream.

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when the there's like because like maybe that's another aspect of the growth or like maybe an ancestral like an old relative is like from that is in the network asks for help.

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're in a network all the time you're just never activated to.

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very actually no it's very AWA and avatar like it's like AWA from avatar and like the Pandora stuff which.

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be a good informing of just how to try to figure out how all that works because Pandora communicates with the animals and things like that.

[01:23:04] Yeah.

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's not just the humans like maybe there's also affecting the flow though it would be affecting all the anything that drank or breathed the air they drank the water breathed the air so it would be the fauna as well so.

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no roadkill on the road we take.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah that's.

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There are the muskets hit by car or whatnot and I mean the sanitation department or whatnot like everything goes back to the earth.

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So Ontario has I don't know if it's the same up here but like Ontario has a habit of like having very strange mottos for towns that you see on the way in like there's a town called Oshawa on the far end of Toronto is like welcome to Oshawa prepare to be amazed.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's the stupidest thing because it's like what I think it's I'm definitely gets out of Oshawa but it's it's not a state to have models of you're in the state like towns all have like like like London Ontario is is the four welcome to the forest the forest city.

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's a city surrounded by all the other forces of that in the cream belt.

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So we have that it's like well like welcome to Persephone Springs the cleanest town in Ontario.

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the cleanest roads in Ontario like because there's there's no they specifically are no roadkill because they they've been like programmed or influenced to just avoid the roads.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly. I like the idea of carrying because I think it's scenes and games that I want to see.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking that carrying birds can be tapped into by the negative force for at one point in time the kids are fighting like swarms of buzzards that are swooping down at them because the negative aspect of the growth has just

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: hacked into because they feast they feed upon animals that have died on the road and

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: What if Persephone Springs one of the oddities is there's not a lot of birds. Birds avoid it.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Could be.

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they know that they pick up on the the the air currents in the air to the there's something in the air they don't like so they they kind of like they don't

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: there's really not a whole lot of but actually that wouldn't make any sense because I think birds do need to be around for like you can logical logical reasons.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh do they because I think it's actually insects that need to be around insects.

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's some insects but they don't like it's against it's it's it's very like the town has an ureaness because it's like there's lots of bugs and stuff like you see you always see like

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: bumblebees and some of that but there's never they never actually go after you.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: What if the negative aspect could swarm swarms of mosquitoes.

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh God.

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't that be a nightmare.

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like we we've got you could you could get with this kind of thing not to cement it or anything we could go either way and I like you know I'm not telling you to run this game for me or anything.

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I would run the gates.

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no but what I like being able to throw a bunch of stuff out at you and then if this ever does materialize which I'm not getting you into.

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Let this be the record I'm not gifting him into this but I like the idea that you're after I'm throwing so much stuff at you and we're throwing some stuff around here that I have no idea what to expect until I see it in a game like a motherfucker.

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You did this to me or I did this to me and kind of things like that.

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah you could have no birds or you could have things that actually bite mosquitoes or things that feast upon flesh or things like that are brought into the system as well.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Or birds that just don't migrate.

[01:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Stick around they just stay in the air because they've been contaminated.

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_00]: If you've got a dog catcher and if you've got to garden people you could have the ones that actually care for the avian kind of.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it was like an apiary I think or is that?

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: No apiary is a bee thing.

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like yeah like an aviary kind of thing.

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: There's bird sanctuary.

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's a big thing.

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a lot of marshes on wetlands that are also like bird sanctuary stuff so yeah.

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it could be a cave, it could be greenhouses, it could be other things.

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So like nobody talks about the dog park kind of.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like night, night.

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Night Vale.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Night Vale.

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know you could have, I wouldn't be kind of creepy as kids if you're learning about your town and you walk in there and there's all these summer birds that are perched on like a gigantic hen house kind of or greenhouses like a hen house that's at climate controlled and things like that.

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a lot of the corn that they're growing is being you like it's a big thing and we export it.

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't export all of it because we're feeding the birds.

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And like I mean there's a lot of little quirky things that one could tie in with this that I mean I think we could sit here for an hour and spit, spit balls certain things but it was kind of if you don't mind me taking the bull by the horns.

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go back.

[01:28:11] Yeah.

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So as we went through this process, we do have, we came up with the town of Persephone Springs and we have several different oddities and things like that that are going on.

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The things that we mentioned in the beginning and the things that have organically changed because as a game master and kids on bikes, your players are going to throw a bunch of shit at you.

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're going to either there is really a big foot problem kind of thing like that or it's just, it's just a rumor.

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So you as a game master, you get to pick and choose.

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So you know, as you know, somebody listen to this, you can pick and choose all these things.

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: We've cemented that there's Persephone and her quote unquote father, which is actually not her father or biological father.

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And then maybe just maybe he didn't initially like pay too much attention to the math until like a little bit later and then like he got felt betrayed and got angry.

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's yeah, maybe it was pretty cool.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe his deployment wasn't like he was in Europe for six years and a kid came back.

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe letters were found or things like that from the mother.

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the and whoever she was pulling around with, yeah.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is the man who ran who's in the junkyard.

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly.

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The science of things.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean honestly, I think the kids like whoever's related to the kid or I mean that we're kind of having the passing in a manual and the torches up like people who are going to be like the mother.

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_00]: The head gardener mother figure or the person who's in charge of the pet cemetery and like has a junkyard and things like that.

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it could be.

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the growth beneath tries to like maintain a cycle of like death and rebirth and growth like much like the cycles of nature.

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do like that element of it like that aspect of it.

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of these things that with the town as the fungal form grows underground and I mean maybe the town as it grows to and stuff like that there's new blood that are brought into it and like it's just eventually it's going to be this, maybe this is a nightmare kind of image to you but the growth spreads.

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's probably beyond Persephone Springs and to like neighboring communities and such.

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that, but let me show you when we had these ideas and I was kicking around I like, I'm not looking for a spiritual answer of what happens to us after we die.

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But I was thinking about from somebody who just recently my aunt recently passed away and things like that.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea of that religion offers that I can see ex love for one again in the other world and I kind of like this idea and I know I've said this kind of a similar phrase to you like this idea of like I have an honor.

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like whether there's a soul, whether it's your spirit, whether there's things like that.

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: The things that make up a human being are just some of their memories and their experiences and those things are compartmentalized and live on in this growth.

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And personally for me I find that kind of a comforting thing and I'm hoping it wants this issue with this negative aspect which may be like some kind of psychological thing that as an American I'm going through with the tribalism in American politics and things that I definitely do not want to get into on this recording.

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But I would like to see like a reunification of things.

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever our end result is whether there is redemption for this man in a fit of anger or whatnot and it could have been maybe something is not as premeditative as irrational decision that made the thing happen to Persephone at the beginning.

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't need to be went out to murder.

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Or stuff like that.

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It could be I was supposed to pick her up from school like she had a school function and this has been stewing and I found the letters or I said, I he found the letters and it was sitting in a bar.

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is like sort of a what is it crime of passion I think is what it is.

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Or drunk driving or something like that.

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whatever you hear.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Poor judgment.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea that there is a love there that or it gets reconciled.

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I think we were talking about earlier.

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to figure out because like how do you reconcile it because like I do like the idea of like he did raise this child for a few years or for a number of years anyway.

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then this she he found out the truth and for again a fit in a fit of mistake and or maybe like a again a crime of passion or like a fit of not choices or like or just a fit of betrayal like anger induced by.

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Betrayal he lashed out in the wrong way and targeted somebody who didn't deserve to be targeted.

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I eat the daughter like, you know, the wife or something like that.

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And so again, like I like the daughter was cat with much like how the daughter like when she fell into the the when she went to the pit.

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: She was preserved in that instant.

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The father in his he was also preserved in hit that instant, but with all that negative and like animosity and energy and betrayal.

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what caused the corruption of the corrupted influence.

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going about this like how you write essays in college.

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd write the body of my paper and then go back in my introduction to make it fit everything effort.

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: How about this?

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe under influence.

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not a mobile accident.

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: They've wrecked into a pond.

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And the or a bog or a bog and they're still in the bog or the barn or not born, but the bog or whatever the pond or anything like that.

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: The car was never found missing.

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_00]: They're both gone.

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They're both kind of encapsulated in this the growth.

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The moss, the moss man is the boss man's the father and Persephone still in the car.

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And he was able to get out and then maybe when the mother figure was and he's he's angering is confusing.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean a pity, a pityable figure and like it in the fighters.

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the not to cut you off.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No, please.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's sort of the aspect of like the grudge.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the grudge is this malicious malignant thing like supernatural creature because when it died, it had like something negative in its heart or like held a grudge.

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And that festers and that grows and that that mutates and becomes something bad.

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And the only way to really stop the grudge is to find a way to like give reconciliation or find a way to give it closure or again repentance in a way or like find some way to like heal it emotionally.

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So again, that could be something that could be done with like the father.

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: If you just like in this really final way to redeem him through that element.

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Endgame scene in the bog near the pond whatever after you win the father steps into the bog comes back out carrying his moss cover child and as you know sets him down in his child.

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And then just kind of like disintegrates back into the bog.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we kind of have her happy ending of sorts.

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the child is still displaced because like she's died in the, we'll say the 30 or the 40s or 50s.

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's think 50s because I mean I kind of like the idea of the kid being something that can be reasons with and not a toddler and not like a mature school.

[01:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the 50s.

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: A seven, a seven, a seven, eight year old, maybe child would be good.

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then but yeah, like she like her mom's been taken because she because her mother, the mom's no longer in the picture because both she's old but also she was claimed and that's how we got the reconstituted like avatar kind of version of her of Persephone.

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And then but her younger sister from her mom who is now older is there and like sort of takes up the mantle of becoming a mother.

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: She would be almost in her 40s or something like that this time.

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The mother figure may have maybe maybe the things that happened to the mother were also in a way sacrificial self inflicted or whatnot.

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Or I mean it could have been running away or you know, you could make the catalyst be the father that was chasing her or whatnot and maybe it was correct or like, you know, we can go back and change what brings the kids into it.

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we have a pretty solid foundation here for both the setting and also a mystery or like a first mystery for the setting.

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward to scene of the harvest of the corn and some kind of festival goes on and you have a Star Wars scene of like the ghosts of Anakin and Yoda.

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just saying, the father.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They're all just kind of like, you know, they're all bobbin' for apples.

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh God, I just create the real creepy thing like creepy and also kind of whole.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So again, this is where I get my wholesome horror angle because it's sort of like it could be taken either way.

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Harvest festival and just beyond the cornfield like stocks of corn.

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The hundreds of townsfolk apparitions or shades in the distance, like off on a hill just looking down at the town and looking at the towns like festivities and some of that.

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like kind of watching over the town or casting a shadow over the town depending on how you look at it.

[01:39:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're in various stages of dress.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: From time periods.

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You've got fridge for diapers.

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That didn't get killed by the predator.

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we've got a, again like I said, we have a pretty solid like foundation for both a setting, a sandbox setting and also like a first big adventure like mystery if we wanted to like take this into a role playing thing with like kids on bikes or...

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Vossen.

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Vossen, like little fears, most of the childish things a little bit downplayed.

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't say like you can do this in Cthulhu with land just make the growth like something that some aspect of ship Niggurhoth.

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: They do if you want to go the angle or like they make this more original.

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like just go with like kids on bikes and such or tales from the loop even has a similar kind of kid kids in the 80s or 90s vibe.

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, this is setting wise.

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I could definitely see some like stories coming out of like being based in this setting of Persephone or Persephone Springs.

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's pretty cool man.

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I like what we've come up with and I mean for those of you listening home, we were spitballing as well, driving back from Buckeys.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, from like an hour and a half drive to a gas station.

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: To the mother of all gas stations.

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The, I mean we kind of went this is different than what we had discussed earlier in the car ride.

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: In the beginning I liked the idea that the growth was influencing people to be very ecologically sane and practice like you know protect the environment kind of thing like that.

[01:40:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And well that's a cool idea and I think it's like what would happen with the Gardner society and things like that.

[01:40:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I also like the idea that there's this more humanistic aspect of it that is going on and it's not necessarily self serving.

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like the plant trying to protect itself.

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah or maybe that's where it started out that way at some point and then again as it's much like it was influencing us, we've influenced it because it's sort of not just a one-way road.

[01:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a two-way road.

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have pigs, I have family.

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know how pigs are created right?

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The wasps are part of the ecosystem.

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, yeah.

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: We're just the wasps.

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_00]: My God, that's frightening if you think about it.

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that'll do it for this.

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This was a fun little like just kind of exercise of like brainstorming and...

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Face to face as opposed to through Discord.

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, rather than like being like 700, 800 miles away and like through cyberspace we're in person shooting the shit and talking about brainstorming ideas for...

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: creepypasta-esque settings and game scenario stuff.

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