ADR - Episode 516: The Couch

[00:00:00] Oh, hello and welcome to Al Dente Rigamortis. I'm Review Cultist.

[00:00:22] I'm Miky, the East End Fever. And I'm the Gamer in Yellow.

[00:00:26] And we're here to discuss those internet stories, most creepy and most pasta and be critically

[00:00:30] silly doing it. And tonight we have the couch.

[00:00:34] Dun dun dun.

[00:00:36] Where did you be scared everybody?

[00:00:40] So we need a little bit of backstuff for this one because Review Cultist here went on a little

[00:00:46] bit of a rabbit hole again. Not as deep as a rabbit hole as we did with Red Man.

[00:00:53] I did find some interesting information about this story.

[00:00:57] So the couch, we're covering the couch because...

[00:01:00] We're covering the couch in like a new upholstery. Is it worn out?

[00:01:05] Yeah, yeah, we got to get refurbished and stuff like that. Yeah.

[00:01:08] Gotta get rid of that tacky 1970s like flower decor.

[00:01:12] Yeah.

[00:01:15] So we found the couch through a... There's a Reddit post out there where somebody made

[00:01:24] a comprehensive iceberg tier list of like the definitive creepypasta.

[00:01:30] And at the very bottom of the iceberg tier, I believe either the second last one or the

[00:01:38] very last tier, among all the other very obscure ones that I actually think we

[00:01:43] have never covered like half of the ones that were at the very bottom of this tier.

[00:01:47] They're sat the couch.

[00:01:51] And we all kind of laughed at it like kind of because it was like what the fuck?

[00:01:54] Like, oh my god, it's like...

[00:01:56] It's such an unassuming name compared to all the other...

[00:01:58] Yeah.

[00:02:01] It's an oddity.

[00:02:02] And like we cracked some jokes and such about it and like, oh yeah,

[00:02:06] we're definitely going to do this just for like a lark because you know it's

[00:02:09] not exactly April Fools but I mean we're getting close to it as of this recording

[00:02:13] and like the story getting posted but like...

[00:02:16] I then read the story.

[00:02:18] I was like, oh this isn't funny.

[00:02:19] This isn't silly at all really.

[00:02:22] Actually this might have some teeth to it or nails or razors.

[00:02:29] Yeah.

[00:02:30] So I actually did some...

[00:02:31] And finding...

[00:02:34] So we found the story on...

[00:02:37] It's been archived on Creepast.wiki.

[00:02:40] And the link that's at the bottom of this story on the wiki

[00:02:46] has the author of the story known as Johnny with two Ns in it like it's J-O-H-N-N-Y.

[00:02:53] And then when you click on that it takes you actually to a archive.org wayback machine

[00:03:00] logged website or forum page from cracked.com.

[00:03:07] So that's where it originally came from.

[00:03:11] This story was submitted as an entry for the contest

[00:03:17] for a contest by the author of John Dies at the End which is a horror novel by David Wong

[00:03:23] or Jason Pargan as is his pen name.

[00:03:26] And the contest was basically submit a story

[00:03:32] of something really creepy that happened to you that is supposedly supposed or supposed to be true.

[00:03:38] And the winners of this contest would get one of five copies of John Dies at the end.

[00:03:48] Yeah so apparently or the author of John Dies at the end

[00:03:53] yeah they made this entry this contest on cracked.com forums in 2006

[00:03:58] and this is one of the entries for that competition or that contest

[00:04:02] and it actually ended up winning one of the five stories or one of the five books.

[00:04:09] And in the years that have followed apparently Johnny sorry what?

[00:04:15] No this is like congrats belated congrats because how many years has it been?

[00:04:19] Well this is like 2006 so yeah almost 20 years near Diod going on 20 years.

[00:04:28] But in those in the in the last few years like or like from then on like till now

[00:04:35] supposedly Johnny has gone on to say that like and claim that this story is based off of a true

[00:04:41] story at least in his mind. So or as best as he can recall so I found that really interesting

[00:04:49] it's kind of like the Mario kind of thing story that we covered back in the fall or even like

[00:04:58] kind of it kind of now sort of has like that sort of those those like true ghost story accounts

[00:05:05] or true haunting accounts that you hear on like various websites and various also like TV shows

[00:05:10] and stuff. But yeah so that's a bit of the background for the couch and like why we're covering it.

[00:05:24] Now let's give our initial recommendations for it. I'm actually gonna recommend it.

[00:05:29] I'm not going to recommend it. Okay. Hey, yes.

[00:05:36] Partial? Partial recommendation again.

[00:05:41] Hope this likes it and Mikey doesn't. I'm always partial. Maybe my part. Way to be a

[00:05:48] yeah maybe we can one of us could push you off the fence to one side or the other.

[00:05:53] Yeah I don't know it's pretty comfy up here I have a vantage point of like both sides of it.

[00:05:58] Yeah that's fair. Yeah well let's dive into the couch. Let's all sit on the couch and find out

[00:06:07] exactly what it's all about and such and why we gave these initial recommendations.

[00:06:10] Starting with the rundown featuring Johnny. Yes yeah I suppose it's Johnny as the narrator.

[00:06:20] So when Johnny was about four or five they were at home with their mom in Kansas

[00:06:25] with his mom in the kitchen and he was out in the living room playing with his marbles on a

[00:06:31] carpeted floor next to a big flower patterned couch they had. In his excitement Johnny's favorite

[00:06:40] marble ended up rolling under the couch and with his dad at work and the only person that

[00:06:46] could really lift the couch up to help him get it at the marble he had only one

[00:06:52] course of action which was to just reach his hand out like in underneath the couch and try and

[00:06:57] fumble for the marble. After a few tries of sifting under the couch and no luck he brought

[00:07:05] his arm out and from he brought his arm out from under the couch but something followed his arm.

[00:07:13] In fact a blackened old woman's hand reached out for a moment as he brought his own

[00:07:21] handout. It came out to about the wrist and it then went back under the couch and came back with a

[00:07:29] little plastic baggie with a peculiar logo on it that at the time Johnny didn't recognize.

[00:07:37] After a few moments of Johnny not grabbing the bag from the hand the hand retracted back

[00:07:43] with the bag underneath the couch and disappeared. Johnny walked over to his mother in the kitchen

[00:07:50] and told her about the incident but she was quite skeptical. When Johnny's dad got home

[00:07:56] he lifted the couch and showed that there was nothing under there except for a bunch of marbles

[00:08:01] that he had uh had like lost underneath the couch. Um years went by because that was that like

[00:08:09] nothing ever really came about afterward and Johnny would often recall the hand and even

[00:08:16] make up little stories about it and what it was and eventually it kind of slipped into like a half

[00:08:21] memory or a dream of his. Like he just kind of chalked up to like being like a childhood dream

[00:08:25] or like something of a half memory but then closer to the present day Johnny mentioned it to his

[00:08:31] mom and she remembers the events. She also went on to explain that they had gotten the couch

[00:08:38] from an estate sale of an old woman who had died on the couch and after Nair had told his mom about

[00:08:47] the event when he was young um and about the hand and stuff like that they'd actually like soon

[00:08:53] after got rid of that couch just because it kind of freaked them out I guess. Yeah. Um what freaks

[00:09:00] out Johnny nowadays most about this entire encounter is that he now remembers or now recognizes the logo

[00:09:09] on that little baggie for what it is. It's a logo from a hardware store for utility razor blades.

[00:09:18] Fin. So um that is our rundown of the couch and uh I suppose we move on to

[00:09:30] everyone tolerates the grammar acquisitions at this point. Um Mikey the Stence Reval.

[00:09:38] I have a conjunction junction. Okay and next stop conjunction junction. But after much internal

[00:09:48] struggle and debate I have come to the conclusion that there are things in life that simply can't

[00:09:54] be explained with reason at least in the form in which we know it and when it is gone we are left

[00:10:04] alone in the dark and everything we would scoff at by daylight suddenly becomes very believable.

[00:10:13] It was just mommy and daddy and me living in our little house in Great Bend, Kansas.

[00:10:22] It was the middle of the day summer hot boring but there I was swishing the marbles back and

[00:10:33] forth happily bouncing them into each other. It was a slim hand with tapered fingers a woman's hand.

[00:10:44] It was gnarled and wrinkled as if aged and it was dead black. It waited as if expecting me to take

[00:10:55] the bag but here's the scary part but here's the part that truly frightens me even to this day

[00:11:06] even to this day and recently as in a few years ago I saw the same logo again

[00:11:15] on what looked like the same type of bag in a hardware store. It was a bag of utility razor blades.

[00:11:26] Finn. Holy shit. So when you started that that that uh conjunction junction I

[00:11:34] seriously thought we were going to go over like get like a squirrel level like fun bit where it's like

[00:11:41] like talk about like oh these like like the creepy things that make you like shatter your

[00:11:45] your sense of reality and some of that like that kind of stuff at the beginning of the story

[00:11:48] like those kind of sentences and then like get like something like it was my favorite model.

[00:11:55] But then you're like actually they keep going like like it started cutting to like sentences

[00:12:01] that were more about like the creepy hand and then like the baggy and like it scares me to this day.

[00:12:08] I'm terrified of it and recently I found out about the logo and then it goes into like the

[00:12:15] logo and being about like razor blades is like holy shit that's this this this uh construction

[00:12:20] rundown is way scarier than I expected to be like it's more dark.

[00:12:26] It all probably for some reason yeah there were no sentences that in this story that started words

[00:12:33] started with words that they probably shouldn't say and that's why like he lists these sentences

[00:12:37] in a row sometimes comes out with hilarious results. Yeah or sometimes like dark results.

[00:12:42] Yeah when I was hearing it he was talking about the marbles playing with the marbles then he's

[00:12:46] like it was a hand like he hasn't changed subjects so like these marbles he's playing

[00:12:52] with or just disembodied hands that he's just rolling around all the ground. That's how I saw it.

[00:12:57] Oh that's cool that's creepy it's like just like clenched fists just like rolling around.

[00:13:03] Man we're gonna go into some like my own personal childhood nightmares in our actual

[00:13:08] thoughts coming up by the way. Kind of expect. Yeah yeah I think I think I think you guys

[00:13:15] all know and I've brought up in the past about my my childhood nightmares about hands so

[00:13:19] yeah so gamer I guess you're up. Yeah I got one maybe I don't know it's

[00:13:30] again on the fence again on the fence. I know that I don't fully understand.

[00:13:40] Okay yeah what is it because like I don't know how to use these correctly this might be wrong

[00:13:45] it seems wrong to me I'm sure I'm wrong telling saying that this is wrong so you can tell me if

[00:13:51] I'm wrong about this wrongness but the quote is I was very young semi-colon only four or five

[00:13:58] at most comma before either of my siblings were born. I think yeah okay yeah so as far as my limited

[00:14:09] and poorly educated mind goes I think that this is an incorrect use of a semi-colon I think

[00:14:15] because like it should be used to connect to like-minded sentences that's that you would be

[00:14:24] connecting with a but so or an and or something like that. Meanwhile this almost sounds like it's

[00:14:30] supposed to be in brackets or should just be calm it out. Well he is saying he's very young

[00:14:36] and he was only four or five to elaborate on how young he was so it is that part is connected.

[00:14:44] Yeah I guess I don't know it just sounded weird to me. Yeah I think it's used correctly but

[00:14:54] as has been pointed out to us via a certain email from a certain person

[00:14:59] who's the editor of a fan hi Jess.

[00:15:03] We like semi-colons are a mystery to us sometimes.

[00:15:11] Yeah just because like reading that and hearing it in my head the first thing I thought of like this

[00:15:16] sounds like it's supposed to be in brackets but like that's the end of the sentence so

[00:15:21] then the entire sentence would just be I was very young period technically that's the sentence

[00:15:26] because everything else is in brackets that's why my correction that I did was I was very young

[00:15:32] like only four or five at most before either of my siblings were born. Yeah that's why I feel like the

[00:15:39] comma after four or five doesn't need to be there because as it reads it's I was very young

[00:15:47] only four or five at most before either of my siblings were born meanwhile you would be saying

[00:15:53] like only four or five at most before either of my siblings were born that's where the break would

[00:15:58] be. So then they have there all the hill but like I won't die on the semi-colon yet.

[00:16:05] Yeah yeah the semi-colon actually I did pull up the email that gives us a simple

[00:16:13] explanation for semi-colon they can be used in place of periods between two related sentences

[00:16:20] so that's a very simplified equation. The higher paragraph is related so you could theoretically

[00:16:27] with that logic semi-colon out an entire fucking paragraph because it's all related.

[00:16:33] The word the word is like I'm now reading the parat like the sentence in the paragraph it's like

[00:16:36] I was very young period like that's only four or five at most but yeah but like oh yeah but

[00:16:43] like I but that's why you'd use a semi-colon rather than a period because semi-colon isn't a

[00:16:47] period it doesn't end the sentence it continues on it's a break but it's not a comma because

[00:16:52] it look like there's two more commas after that like it's like I was very young semi-colon

[00:16:57] only four or five comma at most comma before either of my siblings were born I'll see that that seems

[00:17:04] right to me just because like the semi-colon is sort of like I was very young and then the next

[00:17:10] thing is like is kind of giving more details about that so it's almost like how we use colons

[00:17:16] to like uh like I was like here's a list of things colon and then you get a bunch of like

[00:17:21] thing the descriptions are things so I think it's correct the way it's used but

[00:17:28] it probably is but I just hate it and I don't think it's like to naturally it because like you don't

[00:17:34] you wouldn't be talking like that you know if you're just like you're talking to someone you'd

[00:17:39] be saying I was very young like four or five at most before either of my siblings were born

[00:17:44] that's how you would say it that's how I corrected it and it sounds fine to me but

[00:17:48] okay yeah I don't see like for me like yes that's how you would say it but like when you write down

[00:17:54] you may not want to use the like four or five you may want to like make it a little bit more formal

[00:17:59] a little bit more fancy so use a semi-colon in place of the like as well yeah but either way

[00:18:06] that's all I got for grammar okay then on to actual thoughts going to uh start with this one here

[00:18:15] this quote here logic for all the for all the trust we place in it is really nothing more

[00:18:22] than a candle all too easily snuffed out and when it's gone we are left alone in the dark

[00:18:29] and everything we could everything we would scoff at by daylight suddenly becomes very believable

[00:18:36] all right before I wax two melodramatically here's my story and to that I say a bit a

[00:18:41] bit too late on waxing melodramatically but sure let's let's continue this story let's hear the story

[00:18:48] he's not saying that he hasn't he just he doesn't want to wax more melodramatically so we stop

[00:18:53] in his melodramatic waxing net yeah exactly yeah but just kind of funny it's like all right now I'm

[00:19:00] not gonna I'm done melodramatically uh waxing now here's the actual story it's like well I mean

[00:19:06] all right let's continue

[00:19:10] much like my next like how let's continue to my next quote and comment

[00:19:14] why I was trying to roll marbles around on the carpet I don't know we had a perfectly good

[00:19:19] linoleum floor after all but there I was swishing the marbles back and forth happily bouncing them

[00:19:27] into each other then in my overzealous enthusiasm I rolled too hard my favorite marble

[00:19:34] the clear ruby red one zipped into the dark space under the couch and was lost this is uh seriously

[00:19:42] giving me some marble olympics flashbacks oh yeah yeah what's mean just to kind of watch like that

[00:19:52] entire series on you oh man it's like oh man it would be really funny if this story just became

[00:20:00] like a creepypasta like about the marble olympics so specific and random yeah uh somebody out there

[00:20:09] please write a creepypasta about the marble olympics I want to read it but uh I'll move on to the next

[00:20:18] thing I have here um encountering no marbles I pulled my hand out in disappointment then a hand

[00:20:26] reached out from under the couch back at me I remember the image vividly and I suspect I always will

[00:20:32] it was a slim hand with tapered fingers a woman's hand it was gnarled and wrinkled as if aged

[00:20:40] and it was dead black not black as an african black as in dead of course back then I didn't know that

[00:20:47] corpses blacken as they decompose so I didn't know what the black meant you know this kind of gives me

[00:20:58] the same kind of like vibes as like the toilet ghost encounter in the legend of zelda

[00:21:06] there's actually a couple of zelda games like uh specifically I think it's I think it started

[00:21:09] a major's mask but I know I think it was either started a major's mask or it was in um

[00:21:15] the oracle games uh where there is like a hand that pops out of one of the toilets that you can go

[00:21:21] it that you go past or something like that and it needs like tissue paper or it's looking for some

[00:21:25] kind of paper or something like that and like even and that they even continue that on in skyward

[00:21:30] sword they're like at the the skyloft academy there was a like a ghostly hand asking for toilet

[00:21:36] paper um which I think that whole thing was inspired by an actual urban legend from Japan called

[00:21:42] Hanako-san which is about like a girl who died in a bathroom and now haunts the toilet

[00:21:49] um also a little a little issue I have regarding this story as archived on creepos.wiki

[00:21:57] there is an image tied to this entry at least with regards to it being like where it's listed

[00:22:03] it doesn't pop up on the actual like stories web like like a like web page on the wiki but

[00:22:10] when you're like browsing through like the various stories for uh on like in their their catalog I guess

[00:22:15] on uh on the wiki there's an image like a little thumbnail image bound to this one and when you zoom in

[00:22:22] it is an image of the corner of a very flowery looking couch or like flower pattern couch

[00:22:28] I think even with like a carpet and stuff like that and that's well on good the problem is

[00:22:32] the arm that's peeking out isn't blackened as described it's it's kind of dark and it's

[00:22:38] got wrapping so almost like maybe it's a like a severed arm prop from like for halloween or something

[00:22:43] like that um but I I sort of get more of a like a thin mummy like like like Egyptian mummy kind of

[00:22:52] thing rather than like a desiccated blackened hand um I'm just saying like a little photoshop work

[00:22:58] could go a long way for like that little thumbnail for the for whoever controls that kind of stuff

[00:23:03] on creep us that wiki but that might just be me sitting on our own couch in the nitpick nook

[00:23:10] the shame there's no picture on the actual like story itself yeah I mean is it necessary though or

[00:23:19] like I'm just saying like didn't you say there's one on the thumbnail yeah there's a thumbnail

[00:23:23] yeah there's a little like there's one on the thumbnail it doesn't actually appear though

[00:23:25] on the the actual like web the actual site where the story is that's what I mean it's

[00:23:30] kind of weird that it's on the thumbnail that's not here it's true yeah like I had to actually

[00:23:35] like dig to find it like I couldn't like I had to actually like like not look for it on the site

[00:23:39] where it was but like go through like the the listing and then like open the image in a different

[00:23:45] tab to actually like zoom it in a bit oh no I had to use google I actually had to use google

[00:23:50] image to find it because uh when I type in the couch creep pasta the thumbnail it shows up on the

[00:23:56] google on google images and I can actually like zoom in and get like a better like view of it but

[00:24:01] you can't actually do that in the wiki as far as I could tell but yeah um yeah even like I guess

[00:24:09] like an image of like I guess if you were to have an image with the story like include with the

[00:24:16] story like at the very end maybe you'd have like a picture of like the couch itself maybe don't

[00:24:20] have the hand but like just the couch it's one of those situations where a very mundane and normal

[00:24:25] picture can look creepy because of context yeah because like once you're like or even or even uh

[00:24:33] at the very end there's like a photo of like a of a torrent of like an empty baggie of like those

[00:24:38] those utility razors with that logo that he did that he didn't recognize until like very like

[00:24:44] till later on and then have that showing at the have that pop up at the very end of the story

[00:24:49] so that you can get like a proper visual for them but

[00:24:54] uh but yeah I'll move on to the next thing I have here

[00:25:00] for years I remembered this I even developed a weird fantasy of little hand people living

[00:25:06] under the couch and I in my childlike innocence believed that they could know that they would

[00:25:14] catch me and take me away if I ever reached out in if I ever reached into their domain again

[00:25:22] okay so again like now I'm getting a even better visual of the the the marble hands or the hand marbles

[00:25:30] it was an inside job oh man it'd be like it's like if it wasn't marbles if it was like um

[00:25:38] does anybody remember those like oddball like those like rubber um those like grotesque rubber balls

[00:25:44] from the 90s yes I forgot what they're called yes yeah I think I think they might have been called oddballs

[00:25:50] or something like that but yeah like if one was like not so much ahead but it was just like a hand

[00:25:54] like clenched fists and some of that and like this guy just collected like just a hand ones

[00:25:58] and then like it turned out they were actually like they could unravel and like were actually like

[00:26:03] some kind of sentient creature that would be really creepy um so um but back to the my my actual

[00:26:12] comment for this quote in like the story at hand I do like the overall setup for the story and

[00:26:17] I could even see using this in gameable material uh again not just the with the marble hands or

[00:26:24] the hand marbles being real and stuff of that uh but something tied to that um maybe for a game

[00:26:30] where you're tracking down haunted or cursed objects and you stumble upon this where a family

[00:26:36] experiences strange occurrences around the couch maybe even go as far as as this child's imagination

[00:26:43] and the child is taken by strange hand-like creatures and when I was writing that down

[00:26:50] I was like I literally put in brackets wow this is actually delving into my own childhood nightmares

[00:26:56] about severed hands coming to get me because I would definitely have nightmares of where I would

[00:27:02] or I guess they were probably like bordering onto sleep paralysis where I'd wake up in the middle

[00:27:06] of the night and I couldn't move and I was just in my my bed and I'd slowly see like

[00:27:12] thing-style hands um uh slowly skittering up like skittering uh through my doorway

[00:27:21] and uh up my walls like toward me yeah sleep paralysis yeah that's definitely a sleep paralysis thing

[00:27:29] or like I or like uh the for like the longest time I was of also afraid of um the space between

[00:27:36] my bed and my wall at my cottage because um I would have again like sleep paralysis or nightmare

[00:27:44] where I'd be like half just half asleep but I would feel somebody like um like tap my back

[00:27:51] if I turned away from like I had to always face the wall because if I faced away from the wall

[00:27:57] that's when they would like creepily like start like touching my neck and like tap my uh tap my back

[00:28:03] that's actually pretty cool yeah I mean it's unfortunate we used to hear like that

[00:28:08] yeah at the time obviously I was like terrified and freaked out

[00:28:12] I now I can talk about it in like a lighter like in a sort of like separated way

[00:28:19] um and yeah there's even an instance where like I think I put my I accidentally put my hand

[00:28:24] down into the uh the space and I got and like something held it for a moment

[00:28:28] yeah so yeah yeah I I I think I blame um Adam's family and the thing or and thing

[00:28:41] oh but I think it's Adam's family like the guy that you know Adam from no no no no no

[00:28:49] no not not rpx Adam no no like the show the Adam's family or the movies

[00:28:58] the Adam's family for a second that's awesome uh but yeah I I blame that and I think uh there's a

[00:29:07] couple like goosebumps or are you afraid the dark episodes that dealt with like severed hands

[00:29:12] and there's this movie that I still have not yet I don't think I've found the title for of yet

[00:29:17] Stephen King's Quicksilver Highway a movie from 1997 and the segment was the body politic

[00:29:25] but it was like basically like a hand revolt like hands became sentient and like it was like

[00:29:31] a spreading situation and and they would just like revolt against the rest of their bodies

[00:29:36] and like start cutting themselves off with whatever implement they could find

[00:29:41] or like dragging the and like dragging the body away like to to the like to like uh

[00:29:46] like a saw blade or a knife or something like that it was a movie I'm sure it was a movie

[00:29:51] idle hands is it no although idle hands was also one that I hated growing up but it was not

[00:29:58] idle hands it was really weird like it's it's sort of like a half-baked memory in my mind

[00:30:04] that like fuels nightmares I just had like because that should happen evil dead too right

[00:30:11] oh shit you're right you're evil dead yeah I don't know like it might be a movie it might have

[00:30:16] been like a like a made for tv thing but it wasn't like it wasn't like evil dead it wasn't

[00:30:22] like are you afraid of the dark rain like that it was it was like a movie I saw like late at night

[00:30:29] and I to this day I have not been able to figure out where it where where what it was or where

[00:30:33] it came from now that we've gone into my full on like now that we've like deconstructed my

[00:30:39] own personal nightmare um I'll continue what my my thought here about like using this for

[00:30:47] game of material um yeah um so uh yeah so have like again the game of ideas like take it to that

[00:30:58] next step that the character in the story has where like they uh there are like hand-like

[00:31:03] creatures that like take the child and like you're you're there to investigate and try

[00:31:07] and find out what happens to the child and like eventually the players have to find a way to trigger

[00:31:12] the um trigger entry into the undercouch realm um and like maybe there were other children down there

[00:31:20] or like at least their souls that have been like down there for a while as this couch is like

[00:31:24] kind of gone from like uh kind of exchanged hands as it were

[00:31:30] I've exchanged hands but yeah that I was yeah that's why there was a pause there because I

[00:31:37] realized like the next thing I was about to say was basically an unintentional uh hand joke or

[00:31:42] hand pun yeah um but yeah so maybe you have like it like after the characters like get into

[00:31:49] the undercouch realm and like deal with these weird creepy hand creatures they can like free

[00:31:53] the souls of the children and like rescue the one child that's still alive um

[00:31:58] that's the most recent one uh and then it could even be that this is some creepy

[00:32:04] nightmare gap or opening to a network of like death ways to the underworld

[00:32:10] and uh like under certain certain circumstances of death um the veil weakens to allow this

[00:32:19] unfortunate opening to a realm beyond life and like the hands are actually just sort of that

[00:32:24] like a manifestation of that gesture like take my hand I'll like I'll take you hand in hand to the

[00:32:29] afterlife kind of thing but it's like become twisted uh and what have you by uh the circumstances

[00:32:37] of like who died on the couch and such um I can really see this being used in a few systems but

[00:32:45] right now because Vossen is just like has infected my brain um it makes me want to use the

[00:32:51] modern uh the mythic modern supplement that is on dry therapy g for Vossen um

[00:32:59] that I've just been itching to try and use so like I feel like this could be a good opportunity to try

[00:33:04] that um but yeah you can really use this in like Cthulhu or Delta Green or Esoterrorist

[00:33:10] fear itself like any of those horror modern horror systems it doesn't even have to be

[00:33:17] like tied to just a couch demon it could be literally just any shadowy space that's underneath

[00:33:23] stuff really low on the floor in your entire house like oh god like a dresser or under the bed and

[00:33:30] all that because like that's another thing that a lot of people find scary is like there's something

[00:33:36] under the bed that's going to get me you know yeah I was just thinking like one of the same creature

[00:33:41] and the link is well like couches are often used as beds so this is just another version of like

[00:33:48] yeah the monster under your bed like you said and then or if you want to even like go elaborate on

[00:33:53] that like it's all been one monster like the creature under your bed the creature on the couch the

[00:33:57] creature in your closet under the stairs that like grabs you and it's always like something

[00:34:02] grabbing you and pulling you or like either tripping you or pulling you in so it's like

[00:34:06] they're all the same creature it's just like they just need that darkness under various objects in

[00:34:12] the house um hell if you wanted to kind of like tie this more to like a voce and of some kind you

[00:34:19] could have it be like a an evil or corrupted or like just just pissed off domo boy which is

[00:34:28] like basically like a house spirit in uh in slovak countries um it's like a spirit like sort of like a

[00:34:36] gnomish goblin-ish kind of creature that um that helps that usually helps around the house as long

[00:34:42] as it's given like offerings or like the family is nice to it and stuff but like they as with a

[00:34:48] lot of like fairy folk and stuff like that like if you don't give offerings or if you're a dick

[00:34:52] to the or if you don't believe in the spirits and so sometimes they get a little rowdy or

[00:34:56] they get pissed off and they just start like acting out so that could be what this is is basically

[00:35:01] just like a pissed-off domo boy that's um uh that's used to being like uh being in a in a friendly

[00:35:08] relationship or like an acknowledged relationship with uh with the house that house owners but

[00:35:15] maybe if like some new family moves in or like new family buys this couch that this

[00:35:18] thing is linked to it begins setting up shop and it gets pissed off that's not getting

[00:35:23] offerings for like it's hard work for like like it's helping things around the house like in small

[00:35:26] ways and uh no one's acknowledging it because we live in an age of skepticism and and don't believe

[00:35:34] in those kind of traditions anymore so it could be just like fuck you guys fuck you

[00:35:41] yeah fuck yeah it could just feel like a the whole the whole aspect of this horror story

[00:35:47] could just be a like for this game could just be a misunderstanding which is the worst kind of the

[00:35:54] most tragic kind of horror it really is yeah also just what you're describing that reminded me of like

[00:36:02] I was just thinking like it could just be a common haul or something like that like um yeah have you

[00:36:07] seen uh I don't know if it's a new game or not but I noticed Game Grumps started playing it

[00:36:11] recently home safety hotline I've heard of it I haven't checked it out yet it's basically you are

[00:36:21] like uh not tech support but you're an on telephone support person that people call in when they have

[00:36:28] some sort of problem in their house whether it's like um there's some weird noises in the walls

[00:36:36] um this that and the other and you can tell them all it's just mice or something but the more the

[00:36:42] more days you go through the more that the company like gives you access to more stuff like here's

[00:36:48] information on what a stair slug is which is a dog-sized slug that uh stays in along the

[00:36:53] staircase to your basement or a common hob which is just like this little goblinoid creature

[00:36:58] that like cleans up your house but like you don't know he's there oh that's yeah that's basically

[00:37:04] like that's straight out of bosson like a hot like uh like a common hob a house hob

[00:37:10] oh man now just they say the north american household

[00:37:18] but yeah no that I might have to check that out I know Gabb smolders uh has done some videos I know

[00:37:24] and I've seen like I think jacksepticeye and I think I saw the grumps um like like a thumbnail

[00:37:29] for them when I was on my feed but I haven't checked it out yet yeah considering the game

[00:37:33] Grumps have played it it's probably been out for a year so I probably played the show

[00:37:39] yeah but so are we so that's fine I was gonna say like we're not much better with like

[00:37:45] yeah exactly we're not we're not much better with like certain like creep up pasta

[00:37:50] uh material like we still haven't really we've never really covered or addressed the channel zero

[00:37:57] show which is straight we should have at this point but we've never done it

[00:38:01] you've referenced it enough that I feel like we have no we have no we have we have to do like a

[00:38:07] I'll den say real talk sometime about it but uh yeah I guess that's for another time

[00:38:15] uh I digress I'll move on so this is the next quote I have then a few years ago

[00:38:21] I recounted the story to my mother she gave me a funny look and told me she remembered it

[00:38:27] because after all she had been there and to this I was like I'm kind of this kind of gave me like

[00:38:33] not not saying this story like ripped it off or like the store or candle cove ripped this off

[00:38:37] but this kind of gave me candle cove vibes like the original candle cove story where

[00:38:42] the characters are all talking like talking on the forum about this weird like uh kid show and

[00:38:46] some of that and then one of the posters at the very end gets a verification from their mother

[00:38:52] of something weird they saw or did when they were a kid

[00:38:56] like in candle cove it was like I'm going to go watch candle cove now mom and then he just and

[00:39:00] then the mom just watches the kid go and watch static for 30 minutes like and that's what happens

[00:39:06] in kettle cove and this one is like yeah it's the same kind of instance like the kid just

[00:39:10] like calmly walks over to his mother and says there's a hand under the couch

[00:39:16] and and then like years later the kid the kid is grown up and asked and like tells like yeah I

[00:39:21] remember this like weird story or this weird thing I remember from like my childhood about like this

[00:39:26] uh this hand in the under the under the old couch and mom was like yeah that happened

[00:39:33] I was there that was fucked up and creepy we sold we got rid of that couch like months later

[00:39:40] the next day yeah yeah just say like a couple weeks later or like months later or like sometime

[00:39:45] later but yeah you definitely know that it was definitely like the next day like after

[00:39:49] after a talk with the dad they're like we need to get rid of this couch yeah he was very he wasn't

[00:39:54] he wasn't like like hysterical about it he was like stone cold like assertive that this thing happened

[00:40:03] like I no longer trust this couch especially after we got it from an estate sale

[00:40:08] where a person died on it yeah it's like yeah

[00:40:15] yeah it was very very much like a creepypaw I think that is just like a ghost story or like a spooky

[00:40:20] campfire story kind of trope of just like that getting that verification from your from like your

[00:40:25] parent like you or from somebody or from an adult that was there years later for like confirmation

[00:40:30] from like a childhood event but yeah it's it's just yeah it's a good trope or it's a good uh

[00:40:39] narrative device and the next thing I have here oh yeah this is actually regards to like what I was

[00:40:48] just saying about like them like getting all freaked out by the couch and selling it like sometime later

[00:40:53] then she told me about the couch itself according to her she and dad had gotten it from

[00:40:57] I got in the couch from an estate on or from this from the estate of an old woman who had

[00:41:03] actually died on it and you see you see this is why I both love going to and dread buying from

[00:41:12] restore markets or thrift stores you never know if that second hand item you're getting is going to be

[00:41:19] haunted yeah but that's also why you buy from second hand and thrift stores because you don't

[00:41:28] know if that thing is haunted hence why I said that's why I love going to and also dread like

[00:41:34] I love and dread buying from restore yeah yeah but yeah case in point what sorry

[00:41:42] the uh the Zelda game was that throw from a thrift store I don't remember it was from eb games

[00:41:48] so it was it was it was and it was it was like second it was uh it was uh previously owned so

[00:41:57] hence why what I why I when I put when I opened it up and turned it on for the first time and saw

[00:42:03] Ben on the first save file I was like nope just like you can't see it but I like literally like

[00:42:10] pantomime me just like pushing with both hands the the DS away from me on the desk

[00:42:18] yeah yeah no I get I love it love it and dread at the same time

[00:42:24] yeah it's a thanks I needed situation exactly yeah

[00:42:31] again see the whole thing of like if I have to die I'd rather die

[00:42:35] I died as I lived immersed in creepypasta that will be on your tombstone yeah

[00:42:42] yeah review cultist beloved son and uncle died as he lived immersed in creepypasta

[00:42:53] and just imagine like years down the road after that it's like somebody walking down

[00:42:58] like the rows of cemeteries and stuff like checking out like all the different like like

[00:43:02] tombstones and stuff like that and reads that and just like what the fuck does that mean

[00:43:11] was was it an unfortunate like spaghetti factory accident

[00:43:18] yeah like it's at this point like the lingo's change so it's like it's gone it's it's changed

[00:43:23] from uh from uh creepypasta to like something some other branding but

[00:43:29] but or just somebody that's just not in the know like internet wise about it

[00:43:36] or or the people and the people that know it's like that's like that scene it's like that meme

[00:43:41] with like uh mr fantastic it's like uh immersed died as he lived immersed in creepypasta it's like

[00:43:48] it's like he doesn't know so it's like oh I guess he died in like an unfortunate spaghetti

[00:43:53] factory accident and then it's like the the same image but it's been like filtered through

[00:43:57] like black and white and like some distortion and it's just like again like immersed dies he lived

[00:44:02] immersed in creepypasta it's like if you know you know it's like what happened here I hate to say that

[00:44:08] is not mr fantastic no you're right it's mr incredible god damn it god man I am so off today

[00:44:19] on like referencing

[00:44:24] oh man thank you for correcting me no problem holy shit you got half it right it's mr something

[00:44:35] yeah yeah yeah uh all right I gotta move on to my last note here

[00:44:42] um this is about the uh the sort of the ending bit we get um

[00:44:47] um but here's the part that truly frightens me even to this day the part that I have to try so hard

[00:44:54] to get out of my mind some nights remember that bag the hand pushed towards me I've never

[00:45:00] forgotten the logo that was on it and recently as in a few years ago I saw the same logo again

[00:45:08] on what looked like the same type of bag in a hardware store it was a bag of utility razor blades

[00:45:15] okay so that that's basically the end of the story there we get that little like that little revelation

[00:45:22] or that little like kind of uh reveal I suppose um this actually makes that this actually when I read

[00:45:29] this the first time it kind of gave me a slight shiver but like in a sad creepy way like um

[00:45:36] because to me when I when I read this it to me insinuates that um the ghost killed herself

[00:45:44] with razor blades and like that was what was handed to her and some of that like so like she

[00:45:49] maybe for some reason asking to like like would you be a deer and get rid of this bag I don't

[00:45:55] need it anymore like in a sad creepy way or like that's that's how I saw but also like please sir

[00:46:02] can I have some more wow or as just like again just like it's it's all that was left like

[00:46:09] all that was like left maybe maybe it's that bag is somewhere inside the upholstery

[00:46:13] like or like under like it was just like buried in the the the cushions or something that

[00:46:17] and so it's sort of like a simulacrum or like it's the it's not actually the couch

[00:46:21] that is keeping this ghost bound it's that baggy that's like in the couch

[00:46:27] that is actually the ghost's focus um and um yeah I know it just it made because we get

[00:46:34] that little like bit of detail of like oh is that you they were it was a little baggy that

[00:46:37] the ghost was giving of like these razor blades I was like oh that probably means that's how the

[00:46:42] ghost died or how the how the woman died she slitter wrists and died on the couch

[00:46:47] and to me that's like it like first off I get kind of like squeaky whenever like razor blades

[00:46:52] in uh and that kind of insinuation come out because like I hate it like I don't know I've

[00:46:59] never I've never had like I've never done any of that kind of shit or but like

[00:47:04] and I don't think I've had any family members that've ever like done that kind of stuff but

[00:47:10] I just like have a very visceral reaction when it comes to like uh to the the implementation

[00:47:16] of razors to wrists I don't know why it just uh just creeps me fuck out it squeaks me out

[00:47:22] it's not a good time no it isn't I think it's just like yeah I think maybe maybe there's some

[00:47:28] kind of like reaction to it but yeah it it is a very strong uh type of symbolism for like suicide

[00:47:37] and such maybe that's where it comes from um it's equivalent to like like uh

[00:47:46] like uh Japanese what's the the Japanese um form of it seppuku oh yeah seppuku yeah seppuku yeah

[00:47:53] it's like the western equivalent of that almost but like way more like mundane and like

[00:47:59] frequent one I guess I don't know yeah yeah I don't know yeah but I get what you're saying it's like

[00:48:04] this it's it's something that is it's a very very strong symbol of like self-harm in the west

[00:48:12] and I'm sure it's also like also across the world but like specifically like for us like in America

[00:48:16] and some of that it's in North America it's very uh unfortunately it's very common um

[00:48:23] and I think maybe that that's also like why because maybe that's why it punched me so much is because

[00:48:29] early on because it's describing the hand is like this old frail like blackened decomposed body

[00:48:34] or like decomposed hand I just and then we find out that it was an old like a woman like a woman who

[00:48:40] had died I assumed that it was like an old woman who had just passed away on the couch

[00:48:45] and then to get this real uh this sort of reveal is like oh no it was self-inflicted she

[00:48:51] didn't die peacefully um of like natural causes she died of she likely died of self-harm and that makes

[00:48:59] this not it makes it creepy in a very tragic like kind of like in a very tragic way yeah um so it

[00:49:08] gets me on like several levels I think um also in regards to the the ghost handing the baggy off

[00:49:14] I didn't see it in either the ways that you saw it I saw it as really like a more um

[00:49:22] malevolent way as in like the ghost is handing razor blades to a child

[00:49:27] the child is going to accidentally hurt himself see is there so the thing I think about the

[00:49:34] story is like it I I interpreted that it was like a see-through bag so there was nothing in the

[00:49:39] bag if there has been it doesn't say it but if it had mentioned that it was an opaque bag like there

[00:49:45] was no like you couldn't see through it but there's something there maybe it was something in the bag

[00:49:49] like that makes it that much more that makes that hits that makes the reveal at the end much

[00:49:53] harder because then suddenly get more malevolent it's like here child like that's fucked up

[00:50:00] yeah because I saw it as like basically like a walmart bag like that kind of like just a

[00:50:06] completely solid like gray sort of bag okay yeah like that kind of plastic yeah yeah

[00:50:13] yeah that that makes it so much worse honestly like if that's because that's and that's also very

[00:50:18] in tune with like supposed like ghost encounters or like ghost nature and stuff like that because

[00:50:23] ghosts who die in that kind of way they they die in misery usually it's like usually like the

[00:50:30] strong emotion of like sadness and misery and that is an infectious like curse like thing when they

[00:50:36] die when they're ghosts so they need to have it's they need to spread that infection or that that

[00:50:40] that sadness so they had to spread that misery um to to feel anything better so yeah that makes

[00:50:49] it even more like kind of malevolent and stuff like that than what I was thinking thanks I hate it

[00:50:55] I'm the dark one here today for some reason yeah um but yeah that's uh that's my actual thoughts

[00:51:06] so Mikey these stands for evil what you've got all right well I'm not gonna do my notes in order

[00:51:14] I understand you them uh based on the last thing that was said which was uh so it's assumed that

[00:51:22] that the person died in the couch and used razor blades yeah um but there's no mention of blood stains

[00:51:33] all over this couch this is true like they can get couched especially if it's an estate sale

[00:51:42] like they said they got from an estate of an old woman the estate likely had the couch

[00:51:48] reupholster there wasn't too much blood she just throw it out like in some cases yeah

[00:51:55] in in some cases yes uh yeah it is it is very peculiar like but that is something that has

[00:52:02] that does happen in real life like they do a reupholster um furniture that somebody has died on

[00:52:08] so yeah um now the the next thing is with the plastic bag reveal at the end that it was for

[00:52:21] razor blades uh from my experience razor blades don't come in plastic bags they're usually

[00:52:31] in either a hard plastic casing or in cardboard because it they would rip right through a plastic bag

[00:52:41] and the thing is the logo is the logo for the manufacture of the razor blades

[00:52:50] so it wouldn't be in a plastic bag hang on I'm actually gonna google this

[00:52:56] like 1980s 1990s

[00:53:01] because yeah the only way that they would be able to be in a plastic bag is if they were also

[00:53:06] in a little cardboard box inside the plastic bag you know what yeah you're absolutely correct um

[00:53:16] everything I could be wrong like if somebody out there can find something can find a an image

[00:53:22] or something of something that is that is contrary to what I'm finding right now on on um I'm going

[00:53:28] back like 1990s 1980s 1970s plastic bags utility razor blades on on google images and all I'm finding

[00:53:37] is either see through plastic containers or cardboard boxes I'm not seeing a baggy as

[00:53:46] described in um in the in the story 1950s hence why I thought it was more like a uh a store's little

[00:53:54] baggy like you buy something and you want a bag for that sure okay yeah I can see that too but

[00:54:00] it the problem is that it's insinuated that's the manufacturer of the blades because he only

[00:54:05] saw that symbol on razor blades in the store yeah yeah maybe maybe if it had been

[00:54:14] correctly maybe if it had been like kind of um uh they had been tweaked or re written the way so like

[00:54:21] as a as a kid he didn't recognize the little metal things that were in the bag but that's why

[00:54:28] like it keeps him up at night and why like for years because he realizes now as he as he got

[00:54:33] older he realized what those metal things were because he's seen them multiple times over the

[00:54:37] course of his life they were razor blades like if he actually if they were in a career plastic bag

[00:54:45] yeah but that's what I'm saying like but if you'd seen like these little metal things like poking

[00:54:49] out through the little plastic bag or something like that uh as a kid like and then you save that

[00:54:54] for for the sake of the story because he's writing this story to be kind of a spooky story

[00:54:58] he would save that revelation until the very end of like I growing up I finally realized what

[00:55:02] those metal things were it was razor blades um but yeah yeah that's it it's interesting like yeah

[00:55:13] I I also just kind of took it for with a grain of salt that like okay I guess like utility razor

[00:55:18] blades from hardware stores are sold in like a heavy plastic bag or something like a heavy

[00:55:22] and a heavy plastic little bag like no yeah I'm wrong

[00:55:34] yeah so that's my issue with the ending

[00:55:40] and then my next issue is with the mom remembering something that happened years ago

[00:55:50] in regards to a couch that they only had for a couple months

[00:55:56] that to me is highly unlikely because human memory doesn't usually last that long and it's been years

[00:56:05] so unless she has a constant reminder about this couch for some reason

[00:56:13] it's highly unlikely that she would remember it's also possible that she remembers because

[00:56:19] it's a traumatic event that right there also I can definitely uh I can counter that with my own

[00:56:28] mother's memory of things I did as a baby that she 100% remembers despite it only being referenced

[00:56:34] one time and then whenever like every like more recently like when we had like family like just

[00:56:41] just family like conversations with like relatives and stuff and she'll like oh remember when

[00:56:44] Coltas was a wee baby and he did this thing and this thing I was like how the fuck do you remember

[00:56:49] that it was like oh it was something you did that like stayed in my memory like mothers have this

[00:56:54] instinctual well thing to like remember small like events that like especially with like this

[00:57:00] the case of this story something that stands out in the in the childhood of their kid

[00:57:06] yeah but it's more something that stands out because it's not something the kid would normally do

[00:57:16] but and I guess that's partial because instead of he was a quiet cake going up and he just

[00:57:22] walked up like there's a hand under the couch like there's a hand there's a mommy a little like

[00:57:29] hold an old woman's hand is like oh fuck that what the fuck like yeah yeah I feel like she'd remember

[00:57:38] yeah yeah I'm in agreement with with Gamer on that like it's it may it may not really it's a very

[00:57:44] minor but it still probably would be like a freaky maybe not traumatic like borderline

[00:57:48] traumatic kind of freaky event for the mother as much as the child because the mother is like

[00:57:54] a little bit more like um like she was conscious about it at the time where the child was

[00:58:01] yeah it's like again the niece cult has done some things when she was a baby I'm sure she

[00:58:06] doesn't remember but that shit's gonna stick with me she has scarred you yeah I still remember

[00:58:14] when she was when she was like three or four actually about the same age as this this kid

[00:58:20] and talking about like the stick witch that lives in her closet and at night it comes it opens the

[00:58:26] closet door and crawls around her her ceiling and is like this weird thing that's made of sticks and

[00:58:32] and spider parts and stuff that should stay in my brain for it like I'm bringing that up at her at

[00:58:40] her wedding it's literally just a daddy long legs yeah but for her like spider yeah or like again like

[00:58:49] there's countless other things like that me and her mom both like have heard her say that we both like

[00:58:56] years later we're still recounting like remember when when niece cult us did this is like yeah

[00:59:00] that was fucked up and weird like we are you we are definitely we definitely have um uh a niece

[00:59:08] daughter who is just like really fucked up and creepy but we've definitely raised her to be

[00:59:14] to like to be to like spooky things but yeah no not to like like start throwing it like throwing

[00:59:22] at this thing but like I along with gamer here I think like you're not giving the parent

[00:59:31] credit for like remembering weird isolated things in the childhoods in childhoods uh life

[00:59:39] well it's it just doesn't resonate with me okay that's fair all right so the next thing

[00:59:50] bringing it back to the title yes the couch the couch but before reading anything

[01:00:01] beyond the title uh my mind was thinking what possible creepiness could this entail

[01:00:10] um and my mind went to a demonic couch that eats couch potatoes oh god that's that's good

[01:00:22] that's a good schlocky movie idea movie pitch

[01:00:29] that's also a really good idea for a game for like game of material just like

[01:00:34] this couch has passed hands like multiple times like and like after after uh the owner disappears

[01:00:40] like what's going on and then just like yeah no it's just it's eating lazy couch potatoes

[01:00:45] like people who sit on it too long it passes hands so hands come out of the back of it

[01:00:52] as it digest the body yeah it's really just a modern it's a modern day mimic

[01:01:01] oh my god it I could just stat this as a mimic

[01:01:05] I'd be done with it that's awesome

[01:01:11] gamer I'm sorry there's gonna be some uh don't don't trust couches you know in any games I run

[01:01:20] that's fair yeah

[01:01:25] yeah so uh that's the end of my uh actual thoughts god damn it how do you make things better

[01:01:30] better every fucking time or like yeah I mean god damn it in a good way

[01:01:42] wow uh gamer you're up I guess yeah see what I got left uh this is just a quote I kind of like

[01:01:51] logic for all the trust we put in it is really nothing more than a candle all too easily snuffed

[01:01:57] and when it's gone we are left alone in the dark and everything we would scoff at by daylight

[01:02:01] suddenly becomes very comfortable I just like the way this yeah as as melodramatic as it is

[01:02:08] it's also kind of a very true statement yes for sure and then uh I read this line we were a

[01:02:16] young family without much money most of our furniture was second hand and the first thing

[01:02:20] I thought was including the couch which has a second hand and then edit later on yes it does

[01:02:26] oh no it's uh it's second hand as an oh god damn it there's probably a second hand

[01:02:38] oh god damn it yeah and then regarding the look of the hand itself like a black decomposing

[01:02:46] woman's hand what if this happened around Halloween it's entirely possible that the hand

[01:02:53] is actually just the mom's hand who was just wearing a black latex glove

[01:02:58] as she just like snuck up behind the couch he just spooked her child

[01:03:02] like Johnny took long enough and was spooked long enough that she could have snuck back into

[01:03:06] the kitchen as well it's entirely I guess it's entirely Monday it could be completely Monday

[01:03:13] yeah yeah but then yeah and then like even like just to like as a final like nail in the coffin for

[01:03:21] the for the uh the joke that they the spook that they pulled just they just didn't like the couch

[01:03:25] anyways they were gonna get rid of it so like okay we just spooked the shit before we get rid

[01:03:29] of it let's let's traumatize our four-year-old child and long caught it and just long con

[01:03:36] gaslight him throughout his entire life yo and then like we get an update like years later from the

[01:03:43] story it's like so my mother passed away recently but on her deathbed she revealed that goes into this

[01:03:49] whole how she like it's like son I'm sorry the whole hand thing in the couch has all been a con

[01:03:58] it's all been a it's just been it was me I just like it's like it's like come closer son come closer

[01:04:06] I need to say something to you gotcha I was the hand I was the ha wow that's just like

[01:04:20] that is almost a dumb and dumber like yes uh like bit

[01:04:29] oh wow I like how like you that was definitely both mundatifying and also making some critical

[01:04:37] silly limits yes it had to happen at some point yes we really just ran the gambit from like

[01:04:44] really dark shit to like wow goofy we have to balance out the darkness that's true yeah

[01:04:53] it's like what do you expect us to be like scared here no and no what is this creepy pasta that's

[01:04:59] supposed to be scary you sure about that no I'm not and yes I'm joking everyone don't worry yeah

[01:05:07] yeah so yeah that's better all I got for notes honestly I chummed in on everything

[01:05:13] yeah I definitely think your your malicious take is way better than my uh like sad so I also

[01:05:19] think I kind of want it's weird I feel like the malicious take is more of a comfort blanket

[01:05:23] like a like a safety blanket than like dealing with the actual sad scary shit of like a suicide

[01:05:29] ghost because one of them okay they're both ghosts but one of them yeah realistic quote unquote um

[01:05:39] because it's like it's sadder and stuff like that whereas as soon as you put a malicious overtone

[01:05:46] on it you can be like oh well it's just some demon blah blah blah it's not real yeah but

[01:05:51] although actually to not not to counter you but I'm gonna counter you often what you just

[01:05:58] described is actually more what we get in like ghost events or haunting of it like haunting

[01:06:03] encounters on like from like real-world hauntings and stuff is like the ghost being malicious and stuff

[01:06:10] yeah do you believe real world hauntings um I mean honestly I could it's it's like literally a

[01:06:16] case by case basis like yeah sometimes it's sometimes it's just probably an overactive imagination

[01:06:21] sometimes there's shit you can't explain so or it's not easily explained so yeah I do I am

[01:06:30] molder in the situation I wish I had that fucking poster like the little UFO above like some forces

[01:06:38] like I want to believe but um so that's that's all you got then yeah that's about all I got left

[01:06:47] all right then I suppose we'll move on to final thoughts

[01:06:53] yeah I'm gonna still recommend it it's short sweet and has a surprisingly good creepy payoff for me at

[01:06:59] the end while staying at the grounded level of a lot of those like again like I said true in

[01:07:05] quotes ghost encounters which I mean this may actually be based on on a past experience

[01:07:13] by this author and they've just kind of like flowered it up a little bit for this this contest

[01:07:17] that they entered and I mean they won one of the copies of the book so obviously other people had

[01:07:23] a similar kind of uh uh uh uh as cultists just goes brain dead for a second

[01:07:37] um yeah similar thoughts on the story similar like yeah similar thoughts on yeah yeah similar

[01:07:43] experiences of like of one reading the story so like yeah who's to say if this is actually

[01:07:48] like a true event or if this is something that the author fabricated even they kind of leave it kind

[01:07:54] of vague like they say it's true like over the last couple over the over the years they've said

[01:07:58] it's true but like at least in their mind or take it as you will so like they kind of leave it

[01:08:06] intentionally ambiguous as to whether the the the factualness of the story or the the truth

[01:08:11] behind the story but regardless that's also a good way of like keeping a story kind of creepy in

[01:08:19] for the immersion aspect of it because like it leads it to the reader to try and like figure out

[01:08:23] if they believe the story is true or if this is just a piece of fiction so yeah because for me immersion

[01:08:29] is like everything if you can't be immersed in the story you don't believe it you don't believe

[01:08:33] you're not gonna be scared but yeah exactly so that's why I'm gonna recommend this story

[01:08:41] Mikey the stands for evil

[01:08:44] well for me the ending ruins it because it's a bag of utility razor blades which

[01:08:52] doesn't make any sense to me logically somebody out there please prove us wrong

[01:09:04] I'm sorry just quick thing you know brownie is gonna find I'm gonna hunt down a baggie

[01:09:11] he is he is a he is a like a handyman and like he likes to like like build things and

[01:09:17] sort of that so you're like if anybody's gonna try and find a like a bag like a hardware store

[01:09:22] style baggie of like razor of utility razor blades it's gonna be brownie

[01:09:27] yeah so yeah the that and then the fact that I the mother remembering doesn't resonate with me

[01:09:45] just doesn't help the story for me at all

[01:09:49] um like when you take it there's basically a creepy hand that has a bag underneath the couch

[01:10:01] and like gamer says this could be halloween it could be a trigger cheap bag for all we know

[01:10:11] this is another kid or this is another take on the whole like razor blades in the candy or apples

[01:10:20] um

[01:10:23] yeah it's and then like they said there's no mention that the couch was reupholstered because of all the

[01:10:32] blood because again once we get the razor blade ending it's assumed that the person who died in

[01:10:40] the couch used the razor blades on themselves to finish themselves off which is a lot of blood

[01:10:47] being spewed out it might have been it's from the floor it might have just been

[01:10:53] again like maybe they just drooped their arms off the carpet or off the couch to go onto the carpet

[01:11:04] yeah there's also a lot of assumptions so and we know what that means on the show

[01:11:08] it makes an ass of you an umpion so

[01:11:10] yeah so yeah overall i'm still not gonna recommend this okay fair enough gamer are you still

[01:11:22] teetering on the uh the precipice of that uh that fence i don't know i've been falling

[01:11:27] one side or the other the entire time the revelation of the baggie of razor blades

[01:11:32] i was really tumbling to the one side i had to like grab onto the top to not fall off

[01:11:40] it's kind of hard that being said um for what it is which is a short creepy pasta with

[01:11:48] uh limited grammar issues honestly um it's pretty competent when you look at it like that

[01:11:54] however to me the ending is a little weak um like it's laid out like it's supposed to be

[01:12:00] some big revelation but it so it's soft like instead of a whoa it's more of a okay at

[01:12:08] least that's the kind of vibe i got when i read it it just didn't hit hard weird okay so that's why

[01:12:16] it's not no and like it's written okay the premise is good um but it doesn't capitalize on the whole

[01:12:24] premise and everything it's a good short story it's fine but it's not more than that hence why

[01:12:31] partial realistically the the mention of razor blades in the baggie doesn't actually hurt my

[01:12:37] uh feeling on the story it should be in a little box probably um but yeah

[01:12:46] like even with me viewing the the razor blades in a more malicious tone it's still

[01:12:51] it took me a bit to get there because it's like here's a baggie and then i found out

[01:12:56] that the baggie is razor blades and then i had to be like okay so baggie razor blades that means

[01:13:02] she made commit suicide then why was she given to the kid is it malicious like i had to do a bunch

[01:13:07] of thinking instead of just being bam that happened bam it's malicious try to kill the kid bam right

[01:13:12] away bam like there's no bam it was like a really slow burn that i had to do the footwork for you

[01:13:20] know yeah it was there's no sudden gunshot it was more like a as like as like a fuse is being

[01:13:27] lit in like slowly going down a very long fuse to a bomb and even the even the bomb like it like

[01:13:36] yes like one of those comedic bombs just says bang yeah okay so that was my

[01:13:46] or is just the ending didn't the twist not twist ended the reveal ending didn't have

[01:13:50] enough of a reveal basically at least not enough impact of the reveal in my opinion

[01:13:58] okay

[01:14:01] well it is still a relatively good story for this

[01:14:05] so is that a partial

[01:14:08] okay yeah still on that fence yeah because it's good but there's enough stuff that bothered me or

[01:14:18] didn't impact me enough that i'm still leaving the partial i can't recommend one way or another

[01:14:22] okay got you is the true definition okay

[01:14:28] yeah

[01:14:31] all right so i guess that's yeah one one record full recommendation one partial recommendation

[01:14:38] and one non recommendation so do with that what you will audience if you decide to check out

[01:14:45] the story yourself your mind is anything like any of ours then you may think the same way

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