ADR - Episode 513: A Final Note from Morefolk

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[00:00:23] I'm Mikey, E.S. Henryville, and I'm The Gamer in Yellow.

[00:00:26] And we're here to discuss those internet stories, most creepy and most pasta, and be critically

[00:00:30] silly doing it.

[00:00:31] And tonight we have one most more folk.

[00:00:35] So what were we are doing the final chapter in the more folk series?

[00:00:40] A final note from more folk.

[00:00:43] So yeah, we're doing a final note from more folk.

[00:00:46] It's by icy dice.

[00:00:48] You can check out the story on Creep Pasta wiki as of this recording.

[00:00:52] It just got like dropped like last week.

[00:00:57] And I'm actually doing a new one for once.

[00:01:00] Yeah, like I saw I saw icy dice on Twitter drop a link to it.

[00:01:05] And I was like, whoo!

[00:01:07] It's the final countdown today.

[00:01:11] Countdowns over.

[00:01:12] It's here now.

[00:01:13] Yeah.

[00:01:15] But before we get too far ahead of ourselves,

[00:01:19] let's give our initial recommendations for the story starting with myself.

[00:01:23] I'm going to partially recommend it.

[00:01:26] I'm going to now.

[00:01:31] Okay, I too am not going to recommend this one.

[00:01:34] Yeah.

[00:01:36] Well, let's find out and give some reasons as to why we gave it such harsh recommendations.

[00:01:44] Starting with recommendations will change.

[00:01:46] Yeah, I never know.

[00:01:48] Or way up.

[00:01:49] There might even be some twists who knows.

[00:01:51] And before we get too far with that, let's start with the rundown featuring I guess it's

[00:01:57] J.

[00:01:58] Yeah.

[00:01:59] So we get a final transcript of evidence from J in the transcript.

[00:02:05] He has hacked into Detective Clark's computer to have a conversation slash interrogation session

[00:02:10] with him.

[00:02:12] It sort of goes both ways until J brings up the name Jill Olson who is revealed to be the

[00:02:18] identity of the entity killing people in more folk.

[00:02:21] 20 years back, she was a drugged up young woman who Detective Clark found on the streets.

[00:02:28] And rather than help her out seemingly took advantage of her and then let her go off to

[00:02:35] die sometime later, a few towns over.

[00:02:39] Though not before she gave birth to a boy whose father is sort of insinuated to be Clark

[00:02:44] but it's not really 100% it's also revealed that Detective Clark has spent the last 20 years

[00:02:53] working to bury this incident and try to make amends helping those who need help with substance

[00:03:00] abuse and such.

[00:03:01] But the intentions were less than pure according to J.

[00:03:07] Detective the detective eventually comes around to confessing and stepping down from

[00:03:14] his post, at least that's what he promises to do right after this conversation and then

[00:03:19] the transcript ends.

[00:03:20] I mean technically he's not a detective after the story so.

[00:03:24] I mean that's true yeah.

[00:03:27] We also get some parting words from J stating that he goes or that he's going to go and

[00:03:33] ensure things follow through but that if he dies and it's found out to the public and

[00:03:40] some of that then it was not self inflicted and he's probably going to get covered up

[00:03:45] from the secret or agency or organization that's been pulling the string is according to

[00:03:49] J.

[00:03:51] The last bit of the story is an article where we learned that Detective Clark was gravely

[00:03:55] injured and died from an assailant that broke into his home who also died seemingly of

[00:04:01] a self inflicted wound.

[00:04:04] The assailant also appears to have been accompanied by a small female figure based on footprints

[00:04:09] found at the scene of the crime but no further investigation or evidence is going forward

[00:04:15] to identify the victim or the assailant or the victim slash assailant and the article ends

[00:04:23] claiming Detective Clark was a good man and will be missed by the community.

[00:04:27] All this signed off by one Jamie Pratt.

[00:04:33] So that is the final note from more folk.

[00:04:39] So I suppose we'll move on to everyone tolerance of graham and positions at this point.

[00:04:48] Guys, do you guys got stuff?

[00:04:53] Yes, okay, of course.

[00:04:58] Like you stands for evil truly in a way.

[00:05:03] So the first one I have is I feel a comma is needed.

[00:05:09] So the quote is assholes like you who deny what's truly happening are part of why these deaths

[00:05:18] have continued.

[00:05:20] So there's no comma in that so I put a comma after happening.

[00:05:26] So assholes like you who deny what's truly happening are part of why these deaths have

[00:05:32] continued.

[00:05:33] Okay, I almost need to come after you as well.

[00:05:39] Yeah.

[00:05:40] I guess that works, too.

[00:05:44] And then I have a conjunction junction.

[00:05:47] All right.

[00:05:48] And next stop, conjunction junction.

[00:05:51] So you're masking yourself with a voice changer plug it.

[00:05:58] And what is my type detective?

[00:06:03] But I see you for what you are.

[00:06:07] It's all a facade and that got me thinking.

[00:06:12] But here I was like shit, this guy is good, isn't he?

[00:06:19] But something didn't add up.

[00:06:22] It's clear to me you don't have connections or regards to this place.

[00:06:31] And so what?

[00:06:33] And no, they weren't in the form of some creature your sick mind made up.

[00:06:41] But don't worry detective, but I could never have fucked up as much as you did.

[00:06:49] So tell me detective, it makes your skin crawl, doesn't it?

[00:06:57] So how do we both know who she is, detective?

[00:07:04] And what are your demons, Jay?

[00:07:09] But you were out alone on that street with her in the middle of the night.

[00:07:16] And yet you won't turn off the computer, you know what this is.

[00:07:24] Or did you demand compensation for your act of charity?

[00:07:31] It wasn't like that.

[00:07:33] I how dare you accuse me of something like this.

[00:07:37] It wasn't like that.

[00:07:40] And I tried to tell her no and push her off, but she didn't listen.

[00:07:48] Or was she just tainted meat to you?

[00:07:53] It never happened again.

[00:07:56] And here you are doing nothing as everyone suffers for your choice.

[00:08:03] It.

[00:08:05] It is with much regret that I inform you that detective Clark Casper aged 45 was found

[00:08:14] killed in his home Wednesday night.

[00:08:18] It is believed that the assailants did not come alone as a pair of small female footprints

[00:08:26] were discovered at the scene of the crime.

[00:08:30] Fin.

[00:08:31] Wow.

[00:08:32] Because you didn't use the detective Casper, Jay, when they were talking.

[00:08:38] And you didn't have any inflection at all on who was talking.

[00:08:42] I just got the impression that it was just Jay on the phone with the conversation.

[00:08:49] And then even like you're already dead detective.

[00:08:53] Like so the best person in the head starts just like explaining the seat of the crime and

[00:08:57] stuff.

[00:08:59] But yeah.

[00:09:00] 90% of that was dialogue, bro.

[00:09:03] Yeah, I would wait for you to do the end bit.

[00:09:06] And I was like except for when it's dialogue which most of this was.

[00:09:09] Yeah.

[00:09:10] Because like I get it otherwise this could be very short.

[00:09:15] It's a bit.

[00:09:16] Yeah, it's a silly bit.

[00:09:18] Like don't take a serious that serious when we do this.

[00:09:22] Yeah, I was very much contemplating just starting with Fin.

[00:09:28] And that would be funny.

[00:09:32] Yeah.

[00:09:33] Wait up for those unaware.

[00:09:37] Like you grab sentence through the story of the story of the words that they probably

[00:09:39] shouldn't like it's in their butts because there's always better use.

[00:09:44] Except when it's dialogue.

[00:09:45] It was dialogue and it doesn't matter.

[00:09:47] Yeah, because people talk.

[00:09:49] Yeah, people just tend to use ends and butts like unfinished work.

[00:09:53] We do not correct us unless you're like a really like tight ass person like formal person.

[00:10:00] You don't you you don't use proper grammar.

[00:10:04] Like how I just did like you don't you like yeah anyway so yeah.

[00:10:12] All right gamer.

[00:10:13] Do we have a grammar Nello?

[00:10:15] No.

[00:10:16] Okay.

[00:10:17] I suppose let's move on to the meat and potatoes of this episode with the actual thoughts.

[00:10:22] So I'm going to start with this one here.

[00:10:24] Jay, you know nothing about me if you did you would be trembling with the detective

[00:10:30] Casper man that's a good cup of Joe where was I right?

[00:10:35] The psychological profile of a man child like yourself.

[00:10:39] It's it's really weird like I as a GM for tabletop games.

[00:10:44] I often can't stand when players try to cut off my villain monologues and such.

[00:10:50] But I really enjoy it in stories most of the time.

[00:10:53] Like this one, I really enjoyed like because like and it's sort of almost like making

[00:10:59] fun of itself a little bit because like we we've heard in the past like Jay like does

[00:11:05] these like monologues and stuff like that like kind of like a mastermind kind of person

[00:11:08] and then like even like backs like back tracks on it and like addresses that white they

[00:11:13] does look he sounds like that.

[00:11:15] And then this story just kind of like goes full circle with like just straight up

[00:11:17] parry or just sort of like straight up like not denied the premise but like just be just

[00:11:23] satirizing it almost in a way with that.

[00:11:26] I have to ask as soon as Casper cut him off like that and started sipping a coffee did

[00:11:31] you imagine him to look a certain way when he did that?

[00:11:34] His visualization change on you?

[00:11:36] I don't know what you mean.

[00:11:38] Actually remind you of a certain captain, Selenium person.

[00:11:42] Yeah he might yeah Casper might now look like might have like a streak of white hair

[00:11:48] like through his brain his is a salt and pepper hair.

[00:11:52] Yeah.

[00:11:53] But yeah so yeah it's just it is really like kind of like when it's on the story and like

[00:12:02] you're like it's always fun when like a character who's like being sort of obnoxious

[00:12:07] with like a monologue and stuff of that does that.

[00:12:09] It's just funny because like on the other side of things I'm usually the one that's

[00:12:13] giving those monologues because I'm usually the GM who's like portraying like villains

[00:12:17] or monsters that have like speeches for the players or like are addressing the players

[00:12:21] and one of our players happens to land them often likes to try and like stop me like

[00:12:28] stop me mid like stop me mid sentence with like an attack.

[00:12:31] We'll try and like this.

[00:12:33] Yeah it's because and I understand it this way myself.

[00:12:37] It's real it's realistic if we are a badass adventuring party and then the big bad comes

[00:12:44] out who's like aha and he starts a long ass dialogue.

[00:12:47] We're not locked to a cutscene like in the video games.

[00:12:51] No true but like there's also like cooperative storytelling which like I can see it both ways

[00:12:56] like yes like it's not cutscene like it's like your character would react this way at

[00:12:59] the other same time I when you do it too often I feel like it's being really disrespectful

[00:13:04] to the GM who crafted a speech for their villain and then you just fucking shit over it.

[00:13:08] Like I see both ways like yes every time no you're fine it's Captain Selanum.

[00:13:16] Okay we're straight up calling out Captain Selanum from one less die.

[00:13:20] Oh god.

[00:13:21] Fuck that guy.

[00:13:22] He's making something the road to Captain Selanum.

[00:13:25] And he has like he has explained why he does it like most times is because when he tries

[00:13:30] to cut me off my character's off it's because he's trying to get an advantage because he

[00:13:36] is terrified of what the character can do to his character who is trying to get an advantage

[00:13:40] over the monster or what have you but that said I do often try and if you get the first

[00:13:45] punch in you'll be chaos because he's yeah yeah I am debating trying to find some ways

[00:13:51] to like shut that down like narratively like if next time he does that like find some

[00:13:57] way to like just like or either like out of game or in game like just trying like no

[00:14:01] stop let me have the monologue you'll be able to attack late after but let me have this

[00:14:06] monologue.

[00:14:07] Okay even if he doesn't in okay if you're this is nothing to do with the story.

[00:14:14] No but it is something that's brought up in the story that just reminded me of it because

[00:14:17] like of my own personal opinions and stuff.

[00:14:19] What I suggest is if you're your badass boss is a cast or some kind and someone wants

[00:14:26] to interrupt with a certain spell of some kind.

[00:14:29] Cat or spell.

[00:14:30] Yeah like while you're saying monologue just go counter spell where was that?

[00:14:34] Yes where was I oh yes yeah I should try do that more often.

[00:14:40] Like as it looks just not in combat like he cares you know we're just yeah it's a kind

[00:14:44] of thing you can fuck around with shit like a.

[00:14:46] Yeah yeah moving on to the actual story about away from our sister podcast one less

[00:14:51] time.

[00:14:52] We may or may not be cut out because I don't know how much of a random.

[00:14:55] Oh no I'm keeping it all in it's all stable.

[00:14:59] But yeah I'll move on to the next thing I have here this one is yes so detective Casper

[00:15:06] this is a small town man a small town where technology isn't exactly something we focus

[00:15:11] on teaching hell most of our tech people are out of towners who moved in after learning

[00:15:16] their trade somewhere else somewhere fancier that and your fake empathy and shit stirring

[00:15:22] you displayed.

[00:15:24] It's clear to me that you don't have any connections or regard to this place you ain't

[00:15:30] from here are you.

[00:15:32] Oh the plot thickens that's also kind of an interesting idea like this thing good point

[00:15:40] on how the police were able to be able to track down Jay's identity like but it's not really

[00:15:44] it's not fully implemented in the story.

[00:15:47] In the narrative but like it is definitely something like why aren't the police in this

[00:15:51] small town like have a list of people who are known like tech experts or something like

[00:15:59] that because like the things Jay are doing in this town is pretty like high end like hacking

[00:16:05] into the police into the police and stuff of that.

[00:16:09] You think you might you might you think they would at least like like have some power

[00:16:12] of the investigation like targeting like various like tech support people or something

[00:16:17] that in in the town.

[00:16:21] Just just a thought.

[00:16:23] Hello I was muted today.

[00:16:26] I mean usually I get like a response like what's going on?

[00:16:32] I was talking I was saying words so that's the thing it's like he's really says that

[00:16:39] you're not from around here so it's entirely possible that he just lives in another

[00:16:42] country and makes that over to fuck with them and goes back.

[00:16:46] So they can keep around more football they want he ain't there.

[00:16:49] He wouldn't even have to like okay remember we did kind of a sit insinuate that like Jay

[00:16:55] might be the child of the creature of the creature.

[00:16:59] What if he's actually in that couple towns over and he's just like because like it's

[00:17:05] a wireless age.

[00:17:06] He hacked the police station remotely.

[00:17:11] He's not even in the same town he's like he's just a couple of towns over.

[00:17:15] Yeah he's a techno mancer.

[00:17:17] Yeah.

[00:17:18] He's a technical man.

[00:17:19] Shatterrun sorry Mikey has like it.

[00:17:22] Well Shatterrun 4th edition is the one where they introduced techno mancers after using

[00:17:26] otaku as the as the big dumb down like originally they had infinite range right.

[00:17:31] Oh yeah 5th edition I think and 5th edition is like the next edition after 4th edition

[00:17:36] they nerfed techno mancers.

[00:17:39] Yeah he's a 4th edition techno mancer.

[00:17:42] Yeah.

[00:17:43] Shilling at home.

[00:17:44] I mean that wow guy from so far up so yeah any bad image there be chill.

[00:17:50] Yeah but I mean like even like outside of like the Shatterrun like 10 techno mancers

[00:17:54] like that stuff you could probably do today remote access wise.

[00:17:57] Yeah.

[00:17:58] Like you don't have to be like in the same like neighborhood or block even like you don't

[00:18:03] probably have to be in the same like state to hack a police like how many fucking people

[00:18:08] these days get hacked from like rush out with or yeah.

[00:18:14] Shit sucks.

[00:18:15] Yeah so yeah no cyber cyber security is I mean how like cyber security is a is a big

[00:18:20] thing nowadays.

[00:18:21] So yeah so.

[00:18:23] It is still like interesting like if the if the if it happened brought up at the more

[00:18:30] like earlier that the police had been like looking into like people who were very tech

[00:18:33] savvy in town because like those would probably be their sus like their number one suspects.

[00:18:39] But I digress I'll move on to the next thing I have so yeah this is detective caspers.

[00:18:45] The things you've done they're not just a harmless prank you you're trying to obstruct

[00:18:50] justice.

[00:18:51] You're breaking the law you're hurting justice to quote you.

[00:18:59] As soon as I read it I'm just like you're breaking the law.

[00:19:02] It's so good but that's the lead to societal move on.

[00:19:10] Detective Casper.

[00:19:12] You were under the impression that we had no leads but we always did you kept giving

[00:19:18] them to us after all. And no, they weren't in the form of some creature your sick mind made up.

[00:19:24] You're a stranger tampering with an investigation. With your ability with technology and level

[00:19:30] and level of planning, you also demonstrate the skill and patience to pull off these killings.

[00:19:37] You fit the bill more than any other soul in this damn town. Jay, if that's the case,

[00:19:43] how do you explain the monster woman? What is she? If it's been me all along,

[00:19:49] to Sektiv Kasper. Who's to say? How you did it will come in time. Maybe we'll get a confession.

[00:19:56] Perhaps you drugged the victims and made them more susceptible to your suggestions.

[00:20:02] They saw what you wanted them to see. What the fuck is Jay? A fucking the scarecrow from Batman?

[00:20:08] Exactly. But also, man, at the time of reading this, at this point in the story, I was like,

[00:20:16] I don't know who's in the right here. Is Jay the killer or are the cops just simply looking for

[00:20:24] a scapegoat to cover up these killings? Or find somebody to blame? There's a fair bit of back and

[00:20:31] forth in this story, like in this interview, this interrogation and such conversation.

[00:20:38] And until the end, at least, like really for me, it was really hard to get a solid read on either

[00:20:44] person as being innocent or guilty. And then I have an update. I liked how things took a heel turn

[00:20:53] when we got, when Jill Olson's name came up. And we started getting a more cemented answer

[00:20:58] of who's actually in the right and who's in the wrong. We got some more clarity on the situation

[00:21:05] when Detective Casper started breaking after the name was dropped?

[00:21:11] Yeah, but he's not cemented as a bad guy even then yet.

[00:21:14] No, well, yeah, he's not a...

[00:21:16] He's not a...

[00:21:17] He's not a co-couch side of the details is true.

[00:21:20] It does kind of get... As it goes on after that, it does start painting the detective

[00:21:25] in a much more suspicious light because he starts acting a lot more, a lot weirder.

[00:21:31] And then it starts just an illustrative confesses about the... about what he did 20 years back.

[00:21:40] And then we have this part here. So this is from Jay.

[00:21:46] You think you're so smart, don't you? Sitting here and magnifying this with your excuses

[00:21:52] and rationalizations, assholes like you who deny what's truly happening are part of why these deaths

[00:21:58] are have continued. Yeah, Mikey, the East Dance for Evil, always magnifying things.

[00:22:07] Oh, okay, this is like...

[00:22:11] As a quick aside, I don't think magnifying is an actual word, but I'm gonna let it pass

[00:22:17] because I like that use.

[00:22:19] What else would you say?

[00:22:21] I just know that I don't think it's an actual word.

[00:22:23] It is now.

[00:22:25] Yeah, now it's in my lexicon.

[00:22:27] It has been in my lexicon for years.

[00:22:29] Yeah.

[00:22:30] I think we brought it up multiple times on the show how like again,

[00:22:35] how Mikey will magnify things.

[00:22:38] So...

[00:22:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:40] Or magnifying depending on how you pronounce it.

[00:22:44] But um, but yeah, I just...

[00:22:47] Yeah, Mikey always magnifying things.

[00:22:54] And then I'm gonna move to this one here.

[00:22:57] Detective Casper, ever heard of fucking the pooch?

[00:23:00] You did it.

[00:23:01] Jay.

[00:23:02] Yeah, I've heard of it in many ways.

[00:23:05] I did fuck the pooch.

[00:23:07] Uh, what?

[00:23:09] No.

[00:23:10] But I could never have fucked up as much as you did.

[00:23:13] Okay, so it's just a really weird thing to say.

[00:23:17] It was just like a really weird like off like response to that.

[00:23:21] Yeah.

[00:23:22] In my mind, it was like, yeah, I've heard of it in many ways.

[00:23:25] I did fuck the pooch.

[00:23:27] Um, I'm sorry.

[00:23:28] No, I fucked the pooch in many ways to me, Seth.

[00:23:31] I know, yeah, yeah.

[00:23:32] But like the way it's said...

[00:23:34] It sounds like there's like even the sexual option is on the table for him.

[00:23:39] Yeah, it's like Ferris says what?

[00:23:41] Yeah.

[00:23:42] Not there's anything wrong with various kinks.

[00:23:45] Of course not.

[00:23:47] Um, but I'll move on to the next thing here.

[00:23:52] Uh, this is from Jay.

[00:23:54] She was not a demon detective.

[00:23:55] She was simply a victim of one...

[00:23:58] She was simply a victim of the one monster whose eyes I look into here and now.

[00:24:03] You made her as she is in the present.

[00:24:07] You know it and I know it.

[00:24:08] You made her.

[00:24:09] Jill Olson, I believe at the time you two crossed paths.

[00:24:14] She'd have been 25.

[00:24:16] No detective Casper.

[00:24:18] Are you insinuating that somehow my engagement with some random out of towner turned into all this?

[00:24:26] Some freak of nature monster praying on innocence?

[00:24:29] You sound insane.

[00:24:30] You need help Jay.

[00:24:31] Serious.

[00:24:32] Serious help.

[00:24:34] Um, so previous stories, previous entries from the more folk series.

[00:24:39] Uh, I have had the idea to turn this the the uses monster or this creature Jill.

[00:24:45] Um, for a fodder for a boss in game.

[00:24:48] And that has not changed.

[00:24:50] In fact, little bits and secrets of like how she was created here.

[00:24:53] Like because we're a little origin we get of like how like she's kind of fleshing out

[00:24:57] to be more of a revenant at this point.

[00:24:59] Like something that comes back after something bad happened.

[00:25:02] Like a grudge monster or something like that.

[00:25:04] Yeah.

[00:25:05] Um, so it's helping me build on the idea of what exactly how I would stab her out in Boston.

[00:25:10] Thanks.

[00:25:11] All right.

[00:25:14] Yeah, so you're going to come to a like a town that's experiencing like a bunch of uh,

[00:25:17] uh, killings of like children and women who are pregnant.

[00:25:21] They're not going to turn around.

[00:25:22] So you guys have?

[00:25:24] Yeah.

[00:25:26] Uh, yeah, that's definitely not going to have a proper.

[00:25:28] My character in Boston was.

[00:25:30] What?

[00:25:31] Certainly my character was a woman in Boston as well.

[00:25:34] So she's being targeted.

[00:25:35] I mean, well, again, that that campaigns over.

[00:25:38] Uh, but like, so I probably run this as like a one shot something on Boston.

[00:25:41] And then I did just acquire on drive through RPG, uh, mythic modern or I think it's like

[00:25:47] a mythic modern.

[00:25:48] Boston, which is basically just like importing Boston and putting into the 21st century.

[00:25:54] Which and if you would like to listen to some Boston games, uh, anybody out there,

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[00:26:02] Ravenloft in Boston campaign.

[00:26:05] Plop, plop, plop, plop, plop.

[00:26:08] But I digress.

[00:26:09] I'll move on to the next thing I have here.

[00:26:11] Detective Casper.

[00:26:13] It was let it wasn't like that.

[00:26:15] I how dare you accuse me of something like this?

[00:26:19] Everyone saw how I was with pretty.

[00:26:22] You showed them showed them how I treat how I treat people who are going through their

[00:26:27] worst moments.

[00:26:28] I'm not a god damn monster.

[00:26:31] Jay, do you treat him that way as an act of kindness or as a means of scrubbing away the

[00:26:38] filth within you?

[00:26:40] I was literally about to say this like before Jay got it.

[00:26:43] I got it.

[00:26:44] Like just, like, it definitely sounds like like just from like the context before and then

[00:26:51] like, detective Casper's like kind of rationale.

[00:26:53] Like, like look what I'm how I'm helping pretty.

[00:26:55] I help people who like him, like when with this stuff.

[00:26:58] Like I take them into the into custody but then I help.

[00:27:01] Like I'm trying to get them help.

[00:27:02] And it's like are you really though?

[00:27:03] Like is it really altruistic or are you just trying to like make a man's for something

[00:27:07] you did like a while back?

[00:27:09] Well, regardless that doesn't change his good deeds today.

[00:27:13] It's sort of I like you're right.

[00:27:16] Like if he's being whether it's based on like past bad experiences, he's changed.

[00:27:24] See, here's the that's the thing.

[00:27:26] Like the problem that that's not the problem.

[00:27:29] Like yes, he's making a man's but he's covered up what he did that makes him want to make these

[00:27:35] amends what changed him.

[00:27:37] Like he's not a he's not telling the truth to everybody why he's suddenly,

[00:27:44] sorry, why he's changed.

[00:27:46] He's he's trying to cover that up under the rug like he got rid of that.

[00:27:50] So it's you're right.

[00:27:53] Like it's not altruistic.

[00:27:54] He didn't change because he want he may not have changed because he wanted to.

[00:28:00] He changed because he he need to but from his own moral code,

[00:28:05] but also because of something he fucked up and did.

[00:28:07] But he's not addressing that fuck up that he did.

[00:28:09] He's just trying to cover it up with these altruistic means.

[00:28:13] I guess, but it's still like in the same realm as like giving a guy a second chance.

[00:28:19] Yeah, I would say it's a gray area.

[00:28:20] But when you're also dealing with a supernatural monster that's like that wants like

[00:28:26] retribution, she doesn't work in gray.

[00:28:28] She works in black and white.

[00:28:29] Yeah.

[00:28:30] So like yeah, I under like I do kind of feel an empathy for for Detective Casper.

[00:28:38] Like he was in his 20s.

[00:28:39] He fucked up but he does need to kind of face justice just not like maybe not blood

[00:28:44] and like not in blood, but like he doesn't need to step down.

[00:28:48] And also like address what he was doing.

[00:28:52] It's sort of like even in the situation where Casper's version of the story is true where

[00:28:58] he didn't make advances on her.

[00:29:00] She pushed her advances on him and wouldn't stop.

[00:29:05] Like is he still the villain there?

[00:29:07] Like it's it's complicated.

[00:29:09] It is complicated.

[00:29:10] I would turn into a monster on this.

[00:29:12] Well no, it's it's she was under the influence so she didn't technically have consent.

[00:29:18] And he should have known better.

[00:29:21] It's very complicated and very gray though like he is still sort of in the wrong to me.

[00:29:26] By his story he by his story either.

[00:29:30] That's that's his way like that's the thing like we got to say if his story is true

[00:29:35] he's not in the wrong here.

[00:29:37] Even if it's true like I still understand why she's going after him because like she's still

[00:29:42] like she still died because he didn't help her afterward.

[00:29:45] She just like the last cop that she ran into basically.

[00:29:48] Yeah, it sounds like it.

[00:29:49] But she went a couple of cities over no one else talked to her over there probably not.

[00:29:54] I feel like if anything she should be targeting that other city.

[00:29:57] A city of people that completely ignored her while she was dying.

[00:30:01] No but like at the same and like again

[00:30:05] she also sounds at least from the story.

[00:30:07] It sounds like he acts he also inadvertently impregnator

[00:30:10] who's to say she didn't die giving birth to her kid.

[00:30:13] And that's and so like there's sort of like that kind of like I think that's where

[00:30:17] the connection of the grudges.

[00:30:19] I mean that's why Jay is targeting him and all that because I'm a super child.

[00:30:23] Yeah, and that's probably why she's also targeting Detective Casper.

[00:30:29] I guess yeah it's it's dark.

[00:30:31] It's really kind of there's some grays but also like I kind of get both like I can see

[00:30:39] I'm still rooting for the monster unfortunately for this because like Detective Casper like he

[00:30:42] fucked up but like he has been covering it up for 20 years like his fuck up.

[00:30:47] So.

[00:30:47] The monster is literally just murdering people for no good reason.

[00:30:51] It's a super trick against him.

[00:30:53] She should just go against him not kill all these other people.

[00:30:57] The monster has no like to stand on in court here.

[00:31:03] I well that's the problem is like we also don't know how the supernatural aspect works like why

[00:31:08] she has to do this like maybe it's an impulse or something like that.

[00:31:13] Yeah, it doesn't matter.

[00:31:15] It does actually.

[00:31:16] Why kill people?

[00:31:17] Is it always an impulse?

[00:31:18] Oh okay you walk.

[00:31:19] No it's not that like it's there's there's there's it when it comes to supernatural monsters

[00:31:24] like resurrected because they were like because they died under suspicious

[00:31:29] as situations and stuff that and came back and started going on murder spree like

[00:31:32] I understand why I'm not like also like I'm also not like advocating like for the monster to be

[00:31:39] like we were deemed after killing like a bunch of children so with that it's sort of like Jason

[00:31:45] Voorhees died.

[00:31:47] Well technically he didn't but it's a lower wise um but like he was he was picked on and left

[00:31:54] and left out in the lake to drown because all the camp counselors were ignoring him because they

[00:31:57] were too infatuated each other.

[00:31:59] I kind of get why they go after why he goes after I don't like why he goes after camp counselors

[00:32:05] and campers because they were all like mean to him and some of that in life.

[00:32:09] I don't sympathize with him enough to like uh want him to want him like oh yeah

[00:32:15] he's justified killing those people it's like no but I can understand why he's killing people.

[00:32:20] Yeah and that's my whole point I don't understand why she's killing people.

[00:32:24] Because she was deprived.

[00:32:26] You're done.

[00:32:27] He'll cast a real the entire town that she died in because they didn't help her

[00:32:30] on the why they're she's targeting this town that's my whole point.

[00:32:34] I guess I think this is like because this town is the one that we're like it kind of was

[00:32:38] the catalyst for like what happened to her but like again it's sort of it's a supernatural creature

[00:32:43] sometimes we don't know all their motives.

[00:32:46] Yeah or like what they're how what's motivating them or their catalyst but like I feel like

[00:32:50] it's just sort of also when it comes to like grudge monsters and stuff it's just pen

[00:32:54] like unbridled unlogical illogical rage and emotion that there that that drives them so.

[00:33:02] Yeah um it doesn't always have to make sense like she like logistically like she does

[00:33:05] she may not even want it sound it seems like from her from what we've seen of the creature

[00:33:10] in the previous stories she just wants her child so obviously she died during childbirth or something

[00:33:15] like that and she wants that child she's doing it in this horrible horrendous way that's

[00:33:21] fucking like disgusting and grotesque but it's still like sort of like it's sort of like unbridled

[00:33:27] illogical mother's love or like tainted mother's love because of what like how she died

[00:33:33] yeah um but yeah so like again I would have like I kind of feel bad that like

[00:33:39] that somebody killed detective uh take of Casper before because like I feel like he was going to

[00:33:46] turn around and confess and step down um but then somebody killed him and covered all it up again so

[00:33:55] uh but that's that's for the end of the story.

[00:34:00] So I'll move on to the next thing I have um

[00:34:06] so this is from after the transcription speaking of the near the end

[00:34:11] um in the end I suppose that whatever agent oh so this is like not the article but this is like

[00:34:18] jays like talking after the transcript. In the end I suppose that whatever agency is out there

[00:34:23] is pleased with the results the two the two lost the two loose ends of this mess tied up in a neat

[00:34:30] little bow. Was there actually an agency behind the police or like they have like zero presence

[00:34:38] outside of jays own paranoid views and ramblings of the in the last story and like the

[00:34:45] the previous story from this one and like this story I'm still unconvinced that they were

[00:34:50] that there was ever an agency involved or existed in the story which I suppose was

[00:34:57] their intent actually now I think about it because if if they're doing their job right then

[00:35:02] there's no evidence that they were actually there pretty much yeah I think you was saying like

[00:35:07] he was going through some files and he saw some like stuff connected to some weird agency but like

[00:35:13] he couldn't like there's some threads of it unless I'm mixing my friends. Yeah I don't recall

[00:35:20] that I recall him like just blaming a secret agency for like pumping some kind of like infiltrating

[00:35:27] his house and like tampering with things and like even on the cameras like the cameras like

[00:35:33] or racting funny and so that so they were like he was blaming that they were wiping his cameras

[00:35:37] as security cameras. Yeah I don't know like I still not on the on the I'm still not

[00:35:42] on either side of the fence as to whether or not this agency actually existed or if it was all

[00:35:46] like in james or in jays head. I mean I don't really trust Jay at this point. Yeah.

[00:35:54] Well he's yeah he's under he's definitely under some kind of influence I think it's more

[00:35:58] under the influence of the mother of the mother monster but um but yeah. Taskers whole thing

[00:36:06] might be true like maybe Jay actually has an outfit and uses some sort of weird gas to uh

[00:36:14] like scarecrow his victims into believing that these things. Yeah he could have a separate personality

[00:36:18] that kind of kicks in like a jekyll and hide sort of situation like where he doesn't know that

[00:36:24] it's literally like he's he's been talking crazy the entire time. Yeah hey so you know so you

[00:36:31] think he might just be intentionally like throwing throwing us all off and or with these notes

[00:36:35] and stuff like that and just trying to get into our heads or mess with this. Basically. Okay

[00:36:42] well I'll move on to the next thing I have um this is from the article at the end.

[00:36:47] Um a man who truly exemplifies virtue and selflessness was lost but not one person would ever

[00:36:56] forget him and his infectious cheerful his infectiously cheerful attitude. God rest your soul

[00:37:02] Clark Casper. Jamie Pratt wait. You're Jamie Pratt I don't remember. I'm gonna get to that in my notes

[00:37:09] here. Alright so I was kind of left confused by the ending here and I slipped down a small rabbit hole

[00:37:15] so hear me out because at the end here we get a sign off of the article's writer Jamie Pratt

[00:37:24] and for some reason that feels to me like a revelation in the story like that is who Jay was all

[00:37:31] along and that this one that this is one of those endings for a story where the anonymous writer

[00:37:38] fakes their death but the story reveals their true name at the end of as someone like a journalist who

[00:37:47] we've seen in previous writings in these stories but then the plot thickens for when I went back

[00:37:54] to source out Jamie Pratt in a previous story I got this little revelation so this is from

[00:38:00] something horrible is happening in Morfolk. Is that the first one? I believe so.

[00:38:05] Um doesn't matter. Yeah. Want to know an interesting little tidbit of information the author of all

[00:38:12] those newspapers clip all those newspaper clippings is the same person guess who it was does the name

[00:38:18] Phil Pratt ring a bell more folks beloved journalist who happens to be married to Jamie Pratt

[00:38:26] as his common knowledge Jamie Pratt's maiden name is Jamie Mackie these articles were written by the

[00:38:32] sheriff's son-in-law so Jamie Pratt is the sheriff's daughter and Phil is the journalist who's

[00:38:41] been writing all these the articles previously and stuff of that except for at the end of this story

[00:38:48] like the the the the final note from Morfolk where we get an article from Jamie Pratt

[00:38:53] Phil's wife so could Jamie still be Jay all along or is the person dead in detective clerks

[00:39:02] home Jaygan a separate person they were even seemingly accompanied by the mother entity Jill

[00:39:09] Olson of what with the the female footprints which were small like a child's or was Jill just

[00:39:17] petite so did did Jay die or not is is this further evidence of a cover-up story situation

[00:39:25] like I guess there might have been an agency after all behind the scenes given that things were

[00:39:32] left uninvestigated by authorities according to the article and Clark was killed before confessing

[00:39:40] of what he had done 20 years back or maybe the real sacrifice desired by the mother was just his

[00:39:48] life like him him confessing to what he had done 20 years back was not enough for the monster because

[00:39:54] most of the time monsters working black and white they don't work in gray areas on another note

[00:40:01] I do feel that like this ending bit should be bracketed or should have a bracketed part stating

[00:40:08] that it's an article pulled from the local Morfolk newspaper just to clarify because it was kind

[00:40:13] of weird when it came up yeah because I'm like I thought Jay died how is Jay typing yeah right

[00:40:20] no the frickin the the future of this article that's gonna happen after Jay died yeah and like at

[00:40:27] the end of the story like right out so I think where Jay stops writing is like when like farewell for

[00:40:32] the last time Jay and then we have like slash slash slash which I guess is like basically a horizontal

[00:40:37] law the equivalent of a horizontal line and then beloved Morfolk detective Clark Casper found killed

[00:40:43] in the home so that's the that's the header of the article but I just feel like there should have

[00:40:47] been like in brackets an excerpt from the local Morfolk thing just to kind of get because it's

[00:40:52] clearly this part here is just trying to give us closure for what happened to Jay and what happened

[00:40:57] to Detective Clark after the after this went out right so yeah all that to say also I think I

[00:41:07] I think something added about how the killings have stopped might also be good at the end here

[00:41:14] if you're going to have this this last bit to kind of clarify that like Detective Clark didn't

[00:41:18] make it to uh didn't get around didn't get to confess what he had done before he was I guess

[00:41:24] executed or like or or like killed and and it was all like covered up for somebody that just a leave

[00:41:31] just I guess I could take this or leave it I just feel like the ending should have clarified

[00:41:34] like the killings have stopped since Detective Clark was killed or maybe they're still going and

[00:41:39] then means it's not over because the monster hasn't been uh um because maybe the monster just

[00:41:45] hasn't been like fulfilled as is off in the case with supernatural entities they of course not Jay

[00:41:49] still in some murder yeah yeah because apparently Jamie is and maybe maybe like his Jamie's Pratt

[00:41:56] the Jay or like I'm just so confused yeah also was Jamie Pratt a writer for the newspaper she was

[00:42:06] the the wife of the journalist Phil Pratt okay and so the fact that this is written by her she isn't

[00:42:16] a journalist she isn't like writing this stuff in the newspaper but she might yeah yeah I doubt

[00:42:23] this would be her writing in the newspaper so this is her putting this in this article on the internet

[00:42:30] maybe it can't be in newspaper flipping unless she decided my first foray into writing a newspaper was this

[00:42:41] yeah I guess I I maybe I should have gone through like all the stories and looked up Jamie Pratt to

[00:42:45] see where they were they lie because I just did in the one story is like wait Jamie Pratt isn't the

[00:42:50] foot the journalist it's Phil her husband there's a lot of Jay's there's like that's the thing like

[00:42:58] Jay's Nate like we're still not sure exactly who Jay is because like like we there's Jill Olson

[00:43:03] there's Jamie Pratt like yeah it's also the fact that it's Jill Olson and like it kind of works with

[00:43:12] your idea it's like what if what if Jay is actually is Jill Olson like and she is not a maybe she

[00:43:20] didn't die like a couple of towns over maybe she lived on but still seek revenge on this town and

[00:43:26] this person for like I guess I guess technically raping her because she didn't have consent

[00:43:32] of when when she was drugged up and such but that's like a really long con to be doing this like

[00:43:38] this late in the game but yeah yeah she could literally just be murdering people and this is all

[00:43:43] with the mundane yeah yeah this has all just been mundanified yeah um yeah I this ending kind of

[00:43:54] this is part why I kind of partially recommended this story is because I was just kind of left

[00:44:01] confused by the end here like there wasn't like it was really like

[00:44:08] it's it's it's given me a talking point kind of like how some horror movies do that like where

[00:44:12] like it leaves you like wondering and then like you start talking to your friends like did that

[00:44:15] actually just happen with the fuck out and then you're like spend like 30 minutes after the movie

[00:44:18] like talking about with the ending but like this one's also just like I was like it's not very clear

[00:44:24] it's not entirely clear cut as to what's like how things end up but like maybe I'm just not getting it

[00:44:30] I don't know so all that to say like that's my that's the end of my my actual thoughts

[00:44:39] uh the so I'm gonna get a full we I guess we're never gonna find out exactly who Jay was

[00:44:45] since this is the final note from more folk

[00:44:49] but there's another name Jackie Middleton yeah there's Jackie Middleton yeah so many

[00:44:53] chaining I and that like I said I might might have done that on purpose to kind of like throw off

[00:44:59] like who Jay is like like as you're like going through it meanwhile Jay is a guy named Steve

[00:45:06] yes Steve Steve

[00:45:12] but um yeah that's uh that's my actual thoughts so Mikey these stands for evil

[00:45:16] um yeah so this story very much mundaneified the series uh it did its job for me

[00:45:38] but I didn't get the sense that Jay was dead

[00:45:42] uh with that at the end who died who's the assailant that murdered detective Casper and then

[00:45:48] off to them so it is described that there's no um

[00:45:57] there's no way to identify the body yeah yeah right that's really weird like that's really weird

[00:46:02] to me that like like that's so obviously I cover up

[00:46:09] yeah but it but it's not said that it is Jay is or isn't Jay

[00:46:16] so I just assumed it wasn't Jay that's fair you know and also I think that's why I kept

[00:46:21] like they was like wait so Jamie is Jamie Pratt Jay because she signs off at the end of this story

[00:46:28] like at the end of this article it's like and her name starts with a Jay so is she in fact

[00:46:33] is Jay Jamie Pratt like that's and whoever was the assailant like was just something and maybe

[00:46:39] a cover up or some kind there's something yeah do you just paid someone to go kill him

[00:46:46] or I wonder like maybe the secret agency like just like got some person like go in there with like

[00:46:51] I guess with like a little girl or I don't know what I'm still like I'm still confused about

[00:46:56] about the the the the little girl footprints makes it makes it seem like Jay was a man

[00:47:04] because there's Jay's footprints and then these other footprints of a woman

[00:47:08] yeah Jay isn't a woman yeah but to me like those footprint the other footprints like the female

[00:47:15] footprints made me think it was like so is the mother was the mother there too like I just

[00:47:20] now so confused that that's the monster walking away I guess yeah

[00:47:28] but then why you did Jay was a guy Jay's footprints were there and the mother was watching

[00:47:34] make sure it happened or whatever and then yeah that was the two footprints

[00:47:38] and then and then Jay just offed himself like even though he said he won't do it aka

[00:47:44] like they just shot him dead okay the agency showed up and then just offed him and then made it look

[00:47:49] like a suicide I guess yeah but then was that really Jay or as my as Mikey is is inferring

[00:48:03] I think what he's saying at the end of the previous one like he's getting a gun and going to do

[00:48:08] a thing yeah he said he was going to the abyss he's got a gun he's going to make one way or another

[00:48:13] this is going to end because she demands blood was was kind of the the the gist of what I got from

[00:48:18] the the end of the the previous story so you basically admitted that he's going to go there and kill

[00:48:23] Casper yeah and then in this story he says that he's not if it looks like a suicide know that I would

[00:48:29] not have killed myself I so like back at thing yeah I just don't understand why they would need

[00:48:36] to cover up that as well though yeah unless Jay himself or herself is someone that's like really

[00:48:45] influential and important so they have to cover it up like all we don't know who it is

[00:48:51] yeah like I like why can't they should he like oh like they they could cover up in a different way

[00:48:55] like oh this this crazy person who's been been pranking this entire town with these weird false

[00:49:01] emails and stuff like that yeah they finally they went after they went after detective yeah like

[00:49:06] just completely throw them up throw that person under the bus that's exactly what happened also

[00:49:11] yeah except like there's like that weird like oh they're gonna fake my suit like they're

[00:49:14] gonna fake my death as a suicide kind of thing for some reason why couldn't detective Casper

[00:49:20] of like gun to their gun to them down like well from the south of it that's what happened possibly

[00:49:27] there's a gun possibly yeah yeah yeah um Jay's body whoever that is or that other body the

[00:49:34] non-confer body the assailant dead on the scene yes but Casper was not dead on scene he was dying

[00:49:42] so he shot and killed whoever the assailant was but they got a shot on him that wounded him enough

[00:49:47] that he died in hospital yeah and again who's to say that the detective wasn't like

[00:49:53] off in the hospital by the agency as well it's layers of common layers of conspiracy theories yeah

[00:50:01] who oh no like like like Jay's Jay's own paranoia about a secret agency is infectious

[00:50:08] yeah it seems like yeah

[00:50:10] yeah sorry Mikey you're

[00:50:16] uh continue please yeah so I didn't like how the story of mundane if I

[00:50:28] the previous stories oh it's cool when you do it yeah exactly when the author

[00:50:33] does it look cool when there are

[00:50:39] yeah you like you like somebody else stealing your like the off of himself stealing your thunder

[00:50:47] I see how it is the double standard

[00:50:52] no yeah

[00:50:57] and yeah that's all I have to say

[00:51:02] all right all right then gamer

[00:51:08] so early on in the conversation Jay says relevant to all of that you know why I'm here why I'm

[00:51:17] doing this you and the stations pigs have been hiding something haven't you something deep

[00:51:21] something dark it's a gross lie that's kept that's kept that should be that's kept comma

[00:51:27] less the glue holding its own uh this town together with with the rain dust so slight grammar

[00:51:32] there actually um and then Casper says feel like go ahead I can't you even whilst pulling

[00:51:38] shit out of your ass you make it sound so cryptic didn't you recently sent an email apologizing for

[00:51:43] how much of an attention seeker you were already walking back into it now thank you detective my

[00:51:48] thoughts exactly yeah I was literally about to type that and he just said it for me yeah right

[00:51:54] like that that happens a couple times in the story uh like I feel seen yeah in multiple times

[00:52:02] pretty much but then he doesn't stop doing it either no no he doesn't ramps it off

[00:52:11] and then uh later on Casper's like we've obviously been trying to locate you by tracing

[00:52:19] information you might leave you might leave behind post firewall insurance clearly we've not had

[00:52:25] the most success and then Jay's like why are you telling me this and then a little bit later on

[00:52:29] he's like you don't care do you it or Casper laid a little little bit later on he's like you don't

[00:52:33] care do you it's all outside and that got me thinking then Jay's like you're rambling stop it I'm

[00:52:39] more than you claim me to be don't try and reduce me to something so basic I like the heel turn in

[00:52:45] this we're like yeah um Jay's like actually like he's a big scary super villain then Casper just

[00:52:49] starts calling him out and I'm like I'm thinking of hearing Jay using the voice modular being like

[00:52:55] uh stop it you don't know what he would be doing oh god I just want to be yeah pretty much yeah

[00:53:02] yeah no like I feel like the story has like two heel turns that one and then when when when uh

[00:53:09] Jay starts pressing detective Clark about Jill's Jill Olson that's when they like both

[00:53:14] like both of them get like get get a cool a little heel turn about like they're um about their

[00:53:19] mannerisms and their their demeanor shifts yep yeah pretty much but then to keep reading and I get like

[00:53:27] a third through this audio transcript and I'm like I'm so tired of these two being overly dramatic

[00:53:34] about everything it feels like I'm watching a stage play not reading about a real event happen

[00:53:41] it feels like they're actors and here yeah all the hell out of me like they were reading lines

[00:53:49] not saying words you know yeah it's a little theatrical you're so like inorganic

[00:53:58] I do feel like the uh the word when when when detective Clark like just like oh that's a good

[00:54:02] cup of Joe like I feel like that is like that was kind of realistic but like air and then as it goes

[00:54:07] on it kind of gets a little more theatrical and so yeah yeah but even then that's like a very

[00:54:13] super villain move to like or here a move I guess one way or the other in movies like

[00:54:19] oh I'm sorry were you were you saying something oh man this was yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:54:25] but yeah but we'll jump all the way to the end when cast have killed

[00:54:30] and then we get the article and it says although this tragedy is sudden and shocking

[00:54:35] and then I'm like would it be shocking at this point how many people have been killed recently in

[00:54:39] this town like a lot right yes like the the killings of this point have been pregnant women

[00:54:48] and children but the fact that a police officer was also now like killed in their home

[00:54:53] would be a different would break the um the M.O. I guess or break the the mold

[00:54:59] I guess yeah although it's still like all tied to the same case because like he was investigating that

[00:55:06] case yeah that he gets killed so he was getting pulled but so it's literally just another murder

[00:55:11] by in that serial killer yeah this is also like journalist jargon like this is stuff that journalists

[00:55:17] like doing their articles all the time like yeah it's always it's like it's like it's a 20th in

[00:55:22] the same month and it's like yeah yeah it's still someone's life being taken you know exactly

[00:55:29] yeah like they and that's as I don't not to sound cold but like it's sort of a sensational

[00:55:34] it's sort of a sensationalist kind of thing that journalists do to like kind of ramp up

[00:55:38] readership is to have like these kind of like it's like oh the town is rocked by this shocking 23rd killing

[00:55:45] in we in in the sense like like it's it's it's it's it's it's the Wednesday paper

[00:55:53] Jesus Christ oh my god it's like I'm gonna take place over the course of like a week like that

[00:56:03] who's reading the fucking newspaper people are evacuating this town yeah

[00:56:07] yeah okay got so dark yet so it's so morbid but like yeah uh I've definitely like like there

[00:56:19] there's definitely been I've definitely read like actual like newspaper articles that are

[00:56:22] that do that kind of stuff even like it when there's like not so much for killings but like deaths from

[00:56:28] like I guess the Canadian fires that were happening though the wildfires that were happening last summer

[00:56:33] like it was like every fucking day there was a new death that was brought up in an article and so

[00:56:38] that or another fire that was springing up and it was just like I get what you're saying like the

[00:56:42] articles there they're they're making it like sound like all this is like hap this is the first time

[00:56:47] it's happening but like as a jaded like person that has seen these these articles come in like day

[00:56:53] after day after week it you start getting kind of tired of that like that same kind of like

[00:56:59] um uh shock writing or I just become desensitized from it sadly yeah so like I can kind of see

[00:57:08] what you're going but like that's that's definitely that's honestly how editor how writers and

[00:57:12] journalists like write their their articles to try and get people um uh get people charged or

[00:57:21] interested in reading their article is like adding this kind of jargon yeah I almost expected it to be

[00:57:27] like the latest killing in the wombripper series of murders this time police officer bubble bubble

[00:57:33] yeah that's how I almost expected it to go yeah yeah I was like this these killings have had kind of a

[00:57:40] have had a very strange exponential like like escalation like first it was like pregnant women but

[00:57:46] then when all the pregnant women were wiped out basically it shifted to child uh child

[00:57:52] disappearances and then the the guy in charge of the of the cave of the spree like investigating it

[00:58:00] is found murdered in his home like that's it's definitely like there's a really weird escalation

[00:58:05] like they're really like it is kind of shocking in terms of the escalation of like what's happening

[00:58:09] with the killings for sure yeah you're not wrong so forget everything I said cut this

[00:58:16] yeah because then we would have the like it's 23rd killing since Tuesday and I really want to keep

[00:58:25] that in just so morbidly funny yeah wait that's basically the enemy that's honestly I'm trying

[00:58:33] not to say the things yeah all right then on to final thoughts so yeah I will partially recommend

[00:58:43] this the body of it was good personally like I enjoyed like the the back and forth uh of and

[00:58:49] having the truth kind of play out in the interview slash interrogation that these the game that

[00:58:55] these characters were playing with each other effectively like of like trying to like get the heel

[00:59:00] turn um the ending though it just feels off to me um though that might just be because

[00:59:10] things are sort of left up in the air to be discussed afterward or talked about

[00:59:17] and for this story it doesn't quite land as well as some other stories that have done this to me

[00:59:23] or other other media has done this to me like um the one that comes to mind specifically is like

[00:59:28] or the one I hear cough I've heard commonly is um uh sleep away camp like the ending of that movie

[00:59:34] not to spoil it uh like another spoil in 80 uh I'm not gonna spoil an 80 an 80s horror movie but the ending

[00:59:42] I've heard multiple like multiple people say like when they first saw it in theaters like

[00:59:46] they walked out of here and had like a 30 minute conversation with their friends after watching

[00:59:50] it's like what was that ending like like those kind of endings like are like are basically like

[00:59:56] they make you think and they make you converse with your friends this one we're conversing and we're

[01:00:01] discussing it but I'm still like just like what the fuck did I just read like are like are like

[01:00:05] I don't really it's it's not like a what the fuck did I just read it's like

[01:00:09] so I guess it's all over and like because I don't think we're getting another one conclusion

[01:00:16] you think actually happened yeah it's it's left up in the air but like to me personally

[01:00:23] sadly it's it's not in a good way because like I don't know like like so did Jay die or was it

[01:00:30] covered up who was was Jay was was Jay Jamie are the killings done or are they going to continue

[01:00:37] in more folk until there are no folk left in more folk um yeah that's fun thing you're

[01:00:46] doing your no folk in more folk yes yeah no more folk becomes a ghost town like like like years like

[01:00:54] a few years like another story comes out a few years later of like no folk in more folk

[01:01:01] I see dice we got you for the title for the next one buddy

[01:01:07] um yeah no like so yeah unfortunately for me I can only really partially recommend this one because

[01:01:13] like I liked the the the body of it but like the ending didn't really have a decent uh didn't

[01:01:19] have a good execution for me um yeah but similar to another series we recently covered

[01:01:29] I will recommend this as part of the whole for the more folk story like I think it's still like

[01:01:35] it's it's a conclusion to the more folk series so like I think and I do enjoy the more folk story

[01:01:41] it just kind of said that the ending here is it sort of flopped for me but the the bulk of it like

[01:01:46] as a whole the some of its parts um it I would recommend still recommend the more folk series

[01:01:54] but uh that's my final thoughts so Mikey these stands for evil oh yeah my

[01:02:03] biggest issue is that it maintained the what we thought was supernatural and the monster

[01:02:11] and yeah no you're biggest problem is that you weren't able to

[01:02:17] modify it yeah you were denied the the author got uh it was like oh these guys are gonna

[01:02:26] these guys are gonna critique my story and manana fine not today Mikey

[01:02:31] or just like hold my beer yeah it's that it's that Thanos ending it's like I'll do it myself

[01:02:41] yeah so um yeah so because it was mundaneified um

[01:02:56] uh the one I liked about the first one is that it was supernatural or we didn't have enough

[01:03:04] information to know that it wasn't supernatural and this one just makes it like yeah it's all

[01:03:11] mundane I mean in your eyes I mean there's still room for supernatural to exist but there's still

[01:03:17] some room but the more information that we get on about more folk the more mundane it becomes

[01:03:25] yeah like I think the last one we did added more mundane because like nothing really

[01:03:33] happened and this one so yeah and this one something happened but it mundaneified earlier stuff so

[01:03:43] yeah I think the previous one kind of ruined it because or kind of kind of leaned more to the

[01:03:47] mundane because we're starting to get more into the headspace of Jay and how kind of how paranoid

[01:03:53] he was about a secret agency and stuff like that but yeah so as it is I

[01:04:03] still do not recommend this all right what about the story as a whole like the series of the whole

[01:04:10] you still have a series as as a whole read the first one and then I think it's stop after that right

[01:04:20] ow tough but fair I think that's based on my recommendation so okay

[01:04:29] I can't remember what it recommended to the other ones yeah I had to like look back and see

[01:04:33] what we how you recommended the other ones too much work yeah good

[01:04:40] all right gamer your final thoughts and recommendations so for me I didn't like the angle that

[01:04:47] Casper was like the bad guy here and because like for me Jay's been the villain since like entry two

[01:04:53] entry one I bought that he's just a concern citizen and all that and I liked that angle but

[01:04:59] he just flipped the switch got the curly mustache put on the top hat and the monical went hard at it

[01:05:05] you just don't like vigilante justice that was that wasn't actually meant to be serious that was

[01:05:13] kind of me just jabbing at you that was okay regardless um as much as I love that like

[01:05:20] Casper called out Jay for being so dandramatic still um I was like reading this I was so bored

[01:05:27] honestly I hate to say it like I don't know if it's because I started reading at midnight

[01:05:36] but man I just hated how it felt like a play or like they like I said before it felt like

[01:05:46] they were reading lines not actually having a real conversation because like it was so flower

[01:05:51] you dramatic and they always had one ups on each other and they kept going back and forth I don't

[01:05:57] know I just I will say I have heard from icy dice that they really do like to write monologues and such

[01:06:04] so that might be why it sounds more like like a script or a play than than real speech yeah maybe

[01:06:14] it's one thing about versus given the the monologue but once like two people giving monologues

[01:06:18] it's kind of like a little much yeah yeah um to pair at what Mikey said in regards to the overall

[01:06:27] recommendation I also think first one's the best and just like the more that this creature got

[01:06:33] explained the words it got so I would prefer stopping at one or two personally um like it was okay

[01:06:40] seeing Jake starting to go a little nuts into um I guess but yeah and for this this story itself

[01:06:47] I still did recommend it just because I couldn't get into it and like I preferred the mystery of

[01:06:56] this revenant that's doing these things then all these quote-unquote clarifications which I'm

[01:07:05] still not clear on yeah cuz that's that's not so much and yet no so little yeah like I mean sometimes

[01:07:13] that is fine in the story like to not get like a clear ending but like it can be done wrong

[01:07:21] and like and and hurt the story if you don't if you're not clear enough but here's the thing in the

[01:07:26] context really since uh episode one venomous um I mean I mean he was kind of a fan of menace yeah

[01:07:38] percent's up so one the venomous Jay has been saying that I know all this stuff and I will tell you

[01:07:46] exactly what's happening in due time next time I'm gonna break the ball Z and we get through three or

[01:07:51] like four or five entries and I still don't know what's happening exactly like yeah I get it that

[01:07:59] something happened to her she had relations with a police officer whether it was consensual

[01:08:06] from one party or the other or not is relevant that happened she went on to another town and died

[01:08:12] and she's targeting uh more folk because of that event that happened there I guess yeah um that

[01:08:20] parkets explained but it's like who's Jay yeah like he was bugging me this whole time because like

[01:08:30] he keeps throwing stuff out like this could be Jay this could be Jay to look signs off with a Jay name

[01:08:34] is that Jay I don't fucking know you know what I really wish we'd gotten in the transcript

[01:08:42] that Jay had straight up said like oh they said something a long line like he insinuates

[01:08:48] that she had a kid before she died and like and and detective just like clerk is like wait 20

[01:08:54] year what and then like I just wish Jay and straight was like and guess what dad yeah

[01:09:00] yeah I'm thinking I'm back yeah like again that was us we all assumed that yeah because

[01:09:09] because that's because that's why he's targeting him specifically yeah because there was definitely

[01:09:13] some heavy insiduation in the previous stories that like Jay what had some kind of familial

[01:09:19] like sip like like child child connection with the mother entity um but we just and then it just

[01:09:27] it's insinuated but like come on this is the last set this is the last this is the last story

[01:09:34] like give us give us a give us a clear like thing please yeah like this regard

[01:09:38] I can say like again that's how I learned to do all this hacking stuff because I've been

[01:09:42] planning this for a decade every since I found out what you did my mother

[01:09:46] well blah it's just a lot said without much being said that's big prop yeah the only true thing

[01:09:53] that well again quote unquote true because Casper said you could just put on an outfit and

[01:10:00] scaredhurt these motherfuckers but we're gonna take it at face value of what Jay said that she's

[01:10:05] actually a repident came back because of what Casper did to her that's the truth I guess that we

[01:10:12] get through this uh um this series yeah but like oh man this don't like how it came off

[01:10:20] yeah fair yeah I think it could have ended better like I think that's that's also a big my like

[01:10:27] my big thing for this story is like I like the bulk of it and then the endings are just flopped to me

[01:10:33] so yeah I do understand where you guys are coming from we're just going I was giving it gray you

[01:10:37] guys are giving it black and white yeah what's the more I like detective detective Casper

[01:10:43] yeah and I just know all of a sudden paint him like he's an actual monster all of a sudden

[01:10:50] I mean yeah fair I see the thing is like I did not have any real favoritism one way or the other

[01:10:55] so like throughout this story like I like it's oh we're going with the narrative that like the

[01:11:00] cop like I also kind I've also seen this narrative not not throwing the like shade at I see this

[01:11:05] but I've like I've seen this I'm just like saying I've seen this trope I guess in horror movies

[01:11:11] yeah like all these killing like the killings are happening from a supernatural monster

[01:11:14] and it's usually because like the monster was like was killed or mistreated by the local authorities

[01:11:21] when they were younger and then like there and then they tried to cover it up because with their

[01:11:24] with their station or like with their with their their job like they used the the use the the power

[01:11:30] they had from their job to cover up something and then like a decade or two later the supernatural

[01:11:37] thing come like the festering finally like explodes out into the supernatural monster that's killing

[01:11:41] people in the town like it's definitely it's definitely something that you see in some john

[01:11:46] in some of the in some horror stories so like I like that for it but it's just yeah it came

[01:11:53] almost like too late at the end by the end here kind of yeah like I feel like all the information

[01:11:58] we got could have been said in like two or three entries instead of four five like what we got

[01:12:04] yeah yeah yeah yeah like it's sort of that's also sort of the problem with like serialization

[01:12:11] of a story like is this is kind of like a serialization of of a series and again I don't hate it but

[01:12:17] it's just like there were some section there were some entries in the series that were just like

[01:12:23] next time on on more folks Z much yeah

[01:12:27] yeah it's just like what I hate the most is like on after reading episode one of the Phantom

[01:12:34] Menace I I fucking loved it I know yeah it was like one of my favorite group houses have

[01:12:40] read in a long time and then it seemed like Jay just kind of went nuts and stopped being

[01:12:47] a real human being because that's where I felt the first one was it felt like an actual

[01:12:52] post that could be on like a Facebook message group for a community of someone being concerned about

[01:12:58] things that are happening and then it just went off yeah yeah that's really like that's like

[01:13:07] that's there's the tragedy for us as like as our little crew like we I think we all liked

[01:13:14] the start of this series and then it just the it just didn't the there was just some kind of like

[01:13:20] I guess for for some of us it was diminishing returns it's like the first episode was street

[01:13:27] level and then all of a sudden it's like super powered you know yeah because it just jumps to

[01:13:33] like a new genre no I will say I did love when we got like pretty like telling of like him finding

[01:13:41] that was really cool when we actually got like the monsters like a layer and stuff and then

[01:13:46] we never go there again I mean we don't need to go there but I don't know what the fuck yeah huh

[01:13:53] what what what I want to kind of know like Aussie like I think what I what what's bothering me about

[01:13:58] this is like she it sounded like like like Jill had been abused by somebody else before she encountered

[01:14:08] a detective Clark like it sort of in this one it's sort of go like at the start it sort of

[01:14:14] and see like she had escaped somewhere and she was heavily sedated or something like that but it

[01:14:18] also kind of sounded like she could have just been like a drugie who just wandered into town like

[01:14:23] I feel like there was a darker I feel like they're playing a maybe that secret agency was actually

[01:14:27] at play here and there's some darker insinuation here going on I don't know it's it's it's

[01:14:34] it's like having the reveal would happen it kind of gave you like Rambo one first blood vibes yeah

[01:14:42] the frame were just walking into town and then the authorities just fuck with them for no reason

[01:14:47] just being in that well again that was a thing that was actually happening to a lot of Vietnam

[01:14:51] war vets because they yes we left because because America went into that war and then they left

[01:14:56] losers and and no one even back home no one liked them for what they did yeah I think that was

[01:15:03] a Vietnam war it might be the Korean War I don't know what it's a double check but yeah whatever

[01:15:10] whatever that one was like that that the war that Rambo came back from was a lot of vets were

[01:15:15] getting just like uh just kicked in the face by both the government and the public for for having to

[01:15:22] do for what they thought was doing their duty uh but honestly huh for doing their job like there

[01:15:28] yeah they're told to go there the brash oh why am I talking to this yeah we're going we'll get

[01:15:33] you run a Rambo and it's sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry but yeah um that's that's the

[01:15:43] long and short of all this I like the first couple I say first couple because like that other

[01:15:48] scene with pretty and all that that adds a lot of character and it shows the the creature more

[01:15:55] and all that but yeah as it got on it got worse and worse in my opinion just because it wasn't

[01:15:59] grounded in reality anymore yeah but that's my two cents all right well I guess uh for the

[01:16:10] for the for the story itself I guess it'll be a partial recommendation and two non-recognitions

[01:16:16] and then collectively for the story like the series as a whole um I recommend it but also and

[01:16:25] then you guys all gave it a a partial recommendation like read because we recommend reading part of this

[01:16:31] yeah so read read some of the entries but like kind of to stop after after after after a couple

[01:16:36] after you wanted to stay grounded in reality yeah and like have time version levels just do one or two

[01:16:43] because the immersion kind of Peters out unfortunately later on yeah in my opinion at least which is

[01:16:49] yes that's all that's just our opinions no one who is very ill informed on most things

[01:16:55] yeah free with me yeah I mean I have a group like I meant like I was I was I was also like putting

[01:17:04] myself in there because we aren't like professionals no like we are just doing this for fun and like

[01:17:12] because we as for a passion so yeah but uh yeah so take with that we'll you will audience

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