ADR - Episode 502: Jeffuary - Vampirenote13’s Homicidal Liu

[00:00:00] Oh hello and welcome to a denti rigomotis.

[00:00:20] I'm review cultist.

[00:00:22] I'm Mikey, the East Times Reeval.

[00:00:24] And I'm not supposed to be here.

[00:00:26] I requested to have January off. stuff. May remember an April Fool's episode and then like an actual episode that me and the review called us me and Dr. Leviathan did regarding homicidal Lou and a story about him. Apparently that wasn't like the OG one or like the original one that come out. It was this one that we're doing today, which alternative term for creep pasta. Right, right, right. Yeah. So I'm not sure if the wiki is like affiliated with him or if it's just a kind of a nod and such or like a homage, but regardless, we have a new website and so we have a new source of creep pasta stories to

[00:03:04] kind of mine into and such. And what happened in the OG or in the in one of the origin stories of Jeff the killer in the main line. Yeah, in the main line, one of the one that's like most popular from Lou's point of view, Lou being Jeff the killer's brother. Just the aftermath, like not the entire thing. Yeah, like he sleep, he hears a thud, he being Lou, and is pounced upon by a crazed Jeff, who has sliced his cheeks to form bloody smile. Jeff then begins cutting into Lou's stomach and abdomen

[00:05:41] and digs in with his hand to grab something.

[00:05:44] It's at this point that the pain overtakes Lou and he blacks out.

[00:06:46] And then takes a look at the mirror and sees all the scars on him. Apparently, Jeff cut him up really bad.

[00:06:48] And he has a bunch of stitches now all over his body.

[00:06:51] He then goes over and talks to the corpse of the nurse and calls the body logical one, but it honestly could be either. It just needs something else. Otherwise, it's like, otherwise we're kind of getting caveman speech here. It's like, now it had been week since.

[00:08:25] But I'll move on to the next thing I have here.

[00:09:44] He told him about mundane things, had a feeling it was just as lonely for Jeff as it was for Lou when he was in that joke of a correction facility. So it's actually supposed to be correctional facility. That's just like the proper term for it. So where's there K-man speech at the start of that that I missed too? Jeff did have a roommate, but Lou had a feeling it was as lonely.

[00:09:48] Oh, when you read it, you said Jeff did have? Well, just like, from the body and leaving the scissors in it. I know for me, for me, it's not even so much as like a playing, it's safe for me, like it feels incomplete without like also adding the scissors part, but that might just be a personal preference. Also the same, similarly, like I'm stabbing her again to the lullaby of her screams.

[00:11:02] For some reason I want to add stabbing her't have like, like quotations for like sarcasm in their vocab. Nice. So that might help some things for you. But yeah, that's the end of my grammar position.

[00:12:22] So Mikey, the East Dance Reeval.

[00:12:26] I have a conjunction, junction. He's in the bed. There's a nurse there and then there's another nurse there and then there's another nurse there and there's another nurse there We can't turn back to the first nurse because like when he turned his head all the way like Or like or it's like there's so many nurses have gone by because it's like the passage of time So he's just been stuck there in that bed as the like that with the incessant beeping and the nurses constantly like coming in and replacing the other one

[00:13:44] Wow

[00:13:45] Just a really sad

[00:14:41] grammar position. You know, Mikey, do you actually have grammar or do you only have this right now?

[00:14:45] I don't have that.

[00:14:47] Yeah, usually Mikey, like finishes, like caps off his stuff with the connection junction.

[00:14:53] So just kind of fun.

[00:14:55] Yeah.

[00:14:56] No, I like, I remind myself every time now because like I asked him the one time and

[00:15:00] he's like, no, like this is it.

[00:15:03] So, okay.

[00:15:04] So Mikey, if that ever had, if you ever like, I was like, man, face this. Yeah. Yeah, Louie is the other patient that was in the room next to Jeff. Yeah. Best I'll move on from there. You woke up to the sound of a thud.

[00:16:21] There was a bad feeling in his stomach.

[00:16:24] Informing him something was not right,

[00:16:26] but he ignored it and tried gets pushed down by or pinned down again from from Jeff. Yeah, yes. And then my next one, the cut that followed to his abdomen was the worst kind of pain he had ever felt. Not even the time he had cut himself deeply with a knife compared to this sharp burning pain.

[00:17:41] So for me, I feel the second sentence is kind of not needed.

[00:17:45] It's referencing a time in the past. something more specific. Yeah, cuz it's way too vague. Yeah, or just don't have that there at all. And then we get this part here where the doctor is telling Liu about his brother attacking him and other people. Liu frowned. Then I switched to italics. He, oh right, Jeff, his brother

[00:19:03] has said good night to him after finally coming home. Wait, did she just call his brother a demon? Where am I? Oh, God, it hurts. That's in first person. Yeah. And then also in the first year or something. Yeah. And then I mean, yeah, sorry. Go ahead. I was like, I mean, maybe like devil's advocate. Maybe this is this is the part of the point where like he starts like snapping. And that's where the second personality, Sully, comes into play.

[00:20:22] Like that's where like go and it's it's talking about past events like i can't even like justify it saying like. Oh well he's confused he thinks he's still in the now it's like no no he this is like this stuff that's like mentioning stuff from from clear clearly from the best so.

[00:22:43] wouldn't want to run into him in a dark alley at night. Lou frowned.

[00:22:44] He, he, oh, right.

[00:22:46] Jeff, his brother, as, er, his brother has said goodbye, er, his brother has said good

[00:22:52] night to him after finally coming home.

[00:22:56] Wait, did she, did she just call him, call his brother a demon?

[00:23:00] Yeah, so yeah, basically repeating the same thing, but I want the full context for this,

[00:23:03] this thought.

[00:23:04] Yeah. Like, yeah, like, feel like, like, suggestion, like, when you're in certain states, like, you don't want like to add on or taint, like the perception of like, or like, of a of a mind that's being that's, that's delicate or fragile in that kind of a state. So, yeah, she could be making it worse.

[00:24:21] And even if she's making it worse, she's at had to go back and check. I'm pretty sure Billy is the kid whose birthday Jeff went to in the original Jeff the Killer story.

[00:26:51] Yeah, you know that the brother of that boy who like got into that rut that fight during your birthday and completely traumatized you and a bunch of the other kids of the birthday when he got when he was attacked by a bunch of bullies with a gun.

[00:27:00] And he got bleached and then like set on fire and then like he kind of Like he's got just stitches all over his face and and body, I guess Though I guess From the story, I guess Jeff sliced him a bit more after Lou blacked out

[00:28:22] Yeah, it's one defining trait is like not actually directly shown

[00:29:26] happening from DLC. Yeah, basically. Yeah. So like, I feel like it really can't stand on its own for because of that. But yeah, like, I feel like there could have been like

[00:29:31] an interesting thing. Again, it would have separated a little bit from the original story,

[00:29:37] but that's that's good. Is if Jeff like had actually tortured Lou before, like he blacked

[00:29:42] out, like a little bit more like hadn't like a one of those dating sims that's just like creepy pasta high and it's just all the Jeff the killer wannabe characters. I'm absolutely sure there is. There's a freaking, I know there's a Lulu.

[00:31:01] Yeah.

[00:31:02] There's one where there's pigeons.

[00:31:04] Yeah, that one's awesome. But like even that is like yeah, maybe a little harsh there Lou you may you could just use your own strong words But yeah, and then I move on to the next thing I have here this is the last one I have here Jeffrey Woods was a murderer

[00:32:21] Lou Woods was too

[00:32:24] Okay, I guess that's all we're gonna get from hot beside a lose backstory for very simple like from another point of view of the original origin for Creole or it's not very long. And I kind of wish it had more substance.

[00:35:00] So yeah, that's the end of my actual thoughts.

[00:35:04] Mikey, these tents for evil.

[00:36:04] crazy guts. I want to rip them out or something like that. It's like, just goes full doom guy and rips the rips and tears. Don't try to make you have to kill her cool. No, I'm

[00:36:10] not trying to. Yeah. Yeah. So that was, maybe that's why you lost it at her because like he's coming at him at him with uh with scissors

[00:37:42] And he's like he's thinking that yeah flashback

[00:38:45] the killer killer one. Yeah, he's the one with the rage. Yeah, yeah, he's the one with the rage monster. At this point, they're just the same. Yeah.

[00:38:51] Yeah, totally agree. Yeah. All right. And then my next actual thought here

[00:39:00] is that the hospital seemed to leave so much to be adrenaline rush because he just woke up. It's hard as pounding. Yeah. So that explains the ability to kill the nurse theoretically, but him getting up and leaving the hospital with no one stopping him.

[00:40:25] Yeah.

[00:40:26] These are all good points. like a zombie. Yeah, like what if you yeah, what if like, yeah, make all the scars and stuff. What if that's just like the repairs and then he has this massive scar on his chest where they did the autopsy and stuff. And then he wakes up in the morgue as a undead remnant of like vengeance. Like that would have been so much cooler than him just like waking up in the hospital bed and then like, you know, killing the nurse and stuff.

[00:41:42] Yeah, feel the mortician.

[00:42:45] because he's suffering from a multi-personality issue

[00:42:46] and stuff like that. And like, there is a goodness in him.

[00:42:48] It's just a lot of the time the bad side over power is good.

[00:42:52] Yeah.

[00:42:55] But yeah, sorry, back to you, Mikey.

[00:42:58] Thank you.

[00:43:00] Well, that's my actual thoughts.

[00:43:03] Okay.

[00:43:05] Then yeah, gamer, continue on.

[00:43:07] We'll do that. Yeah, that's why the dogscape was like trying to get into that bunker in that once like place in the Arctic where they can't really where the where the biomass can't reach is because there lose original, so in some versions, he is the older brother in a couple of the reboots which we have done. Jeff is the older brother. So that's probably why I'm remembering that because I recall liking the reboots.

[00:45:43] Yeah, because the reboots gave us the, yeah, because that's basically what the story, like how the story is really just Lou, like a summary of the previous store, of the Jeff the Killer origin story, but from Lou's point of view. I'm glad there's like a little bit of summary to it compared to just having none. Yeah. Because like we were criticizing how it doesn't stand on its own

[00:47:01] because like it doesn't reference enough

[00:47:03] of what happened before,

[00:47:04] but at least it does reference some.

[00:47:07] Yeah, it just needs more though.

[00:47:08] Yeah. Yeah You'd immediately turn them off from like from Jeff the killer stories and maybe even creep passes in general. It's like this is

[00:48:27] Poisoning the well Yeah, it's just like, yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no, you go. No, you go. I was just like, I mean, sometimes like also like the voices are just like, oh, what's your name? Who are you? It's like, I'm you. Like they're just like, it's very like enigmatic or like it's just like, it's a reflection of yourself. Your dark reflection kind of thing. I prefer that though.

[00:49:40] Yeah.

[00:49:41] No, I agree with you.

[00:49:42] I don't even know what the fuck is happening.

[00:49:44] Yeah.

[00:49:45] Or like, Sully doesn't need to exist.

[00:49:47] He doesn't do anything. Yeah. We're learning well, my pad a lot. But yeah. Also, like this whole scene with this voice in his head telling him to do things and like, especially because it tells him like you got to get out of there and all that. Like, I was having flashbacks to his quick turn to murder where she's like, wow, you're really right. Was it she? You just said nurse. Was it she? Yeah, I think it's a she. Yeah. Okay. Wow, you're really right. Please try to calm down before I have to get the she didn't get to finish as Lou grabbed the scissors from her tray and jabbed them and new her eyes.

[00:52:21] So she did have a tray that she was going to do something. Yeah. First off, but also, yeah, wow.

[00:53:25] It's better to show development of a character if you want the reader to enjoy the character. Yeah, that's true. Also, it could be said that his swift trigger or switch around is also the

[00:53:32] result of the traumatic experience he just envisioned. Not envisioned. They just experienced with Jeff

[00:53:41] killing him and probably killing his family and stuff like want to stop. Oh, yeah, he's he's uh, his brother tried to kill him, but kill his whole fucking family. He looks like a demon. Anyways, I gotta go treat him. Yeah. Now, it's still not good, but it's a little bit more realistic that that could theoretically happen. Yeah. I do want to I do want to just bring something up because like I

[00:55:02] just said, like, oh yeah, that would be nuanced and like posting this online. So like, I just for clarity, like we're not attacking the author for the stories. We're just, we're just kind of going on off of like suggestions for how to make the story better than it is. Or better, what it could be kind of thing. Yeah.

[00:56:20] Yeah, because if you're a young writer and inexperienced writer, like that's fine. You have to start somewhere, you know, and even if you have written a lot

[00:57:24] like editors or anything like that. We're just like, we're people that enjoy this kind of work

[00:57:28] and want to try and elevate it. We are professional amateurs.

[00:57:29] Yeah.

[00:57:35] Just through the endurance stuff of running the gauntlet of reading all these.

[00:57:40] Yeah.

[00:57:42] Yeah. The only true professional on our show is continued more because it's so brushed upon on the end

[00:59:01] that give it any character just feels like it doesn't need to be there.

[00:59:05] And that's my big problem with the story Yeah, like when the the nurse tries to call him, he's like, my name is Silly. Or sorry, Sully. I'm Silly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. In regards to Lulu as a character in this story, I don't think I've ever gone from

[01:00:23] sympathizing with a character to hating your mean, again, I'm also not a teenage girl on Tumblr. But so like, who knows those minds, except for those people. But like, it's very, at least in the,

[01:01:41] in some of the other stories with Lou,

[01:01:42] like he is, even when he's like a killer,

[01:01:46] he is a vigill, like a tortured vigilante kind of. a reference to the body's song by drawing pool, right? Yes. That one, right? Yeah. Yeah, because it's let the body is left. I can only count the four. Yeah. And stabbing in time with the lullaby of the screams, it's like, ah, step, step. Yeah, it's basically saying if she's still making noise, I'm still

[01:03:00] stabbing.

[01:03:01] Yeah.

[01:03:03] But he can only count to four.

[01:03:04] So he's it's just like, we're just like, okay, so he's just a killer now. And like, that's it. He's a teaser trailer at best. Yeah. So like I said earlier, I wouldn't recommend this because like, you either need to know about Jeff the killer,

[01:04:23] like the popular creep pasta of Jeff the killer

[01:04:26] that gives you the origin. I was waiting for you to just like, I've actually had a change of heart. Yeah. It kind of sounds like you were like taking your time there. Um, yeah. The it's interesting that like we see Lou get his gut opened up and his organs taken

[01:05:44] out, but then he has stitches wear off and he'd be like, oh, I'm actually really hurting. Yeah, he'd get, he would be like, looks and then eventually like he just get to the door. It would open up and then he just like fall over.

[01:07:03] Yeah.

[01:07:04] Um, so.

[01:08:05] So as it stands, I still do not recommend this.

[01:08:07] Fair. All right, gamer.

[01:08:09] I, however, have had a change of heart.

[01:08:14] Only partially though, because like the concept of this

[01:08:18] is good and we've read Homicidal Looses,

[01:08:22] like at least one other one.

[01:08:24] And I think you guys, yeah, you guys,

[01:08:26] from the Patreon reloaded it, way and became a killer as well. Like what if Lou hadn't just died with his parents? Yeah. Like when... Or just to walk up in the morgue or if like he actually survived it naturally, but he still kind of snapped. Yeah. Yeah. That's the good thing is the core concept.

[01:09:40] Yeah.

[01:09:41] And like the art of him is cool.

[01:09:42] I like that he's be a shirtless Lou. And you know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna hate doing this. I'm gonna Google homicide a Lou and look with the images. And I'm sure there will be more than enough of them that are just like him either shirtless or like his his shirt is open to

[01:11:00] reveal his chest and such. Wow,

[01:11:02] actually, no, but he's actually

[01:11:06] pretty well clothed in like a So like, and also like in regards to like his face and stuff like when the attack happened, I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff gave him the smile him more of the, the pretty boy scars. Perhaps, but either way, long story short, I'm glad that this exists and that this inspired

[01:13:40] more expansion in the, um, Jeff we know in all the Jason movies And so and with the hockey mask and such but like yes He's killing all these people but there he's it's more of a revenge thing in a vent

[01:15:03] He's a he's a spirit of vengeance or a a revenant which is usually a creature an undead creature

[01:16:03] something like to set hide adjacent and like didn't know, not aware that he was who he was.

[01:16:06] And as he's walked away, he hears something.

[01:16:08] They say something under the breath

[01:16:11] that he overhears about him.

[01:16:14] And he turns around and kills them.

[01:16:16] Yeah.

[01:16:16] So it's like karma.

[01:16:17] It's supposed to be like either karmic or like,

[01:16:20] or like karmic deaths and such.

[01:16:22] Or like sort of like a very like open ended like revenge

[01:16:27] or vengeance sort of situation. You need to establish why somebody's a killer, or why there's a monster, or explain why there's no explanation, or give more depth to the character than just like, hi, stab you. Yes. I'm evil now. I'm evil now. Yeah, because you can also have it like, you don't get like, how the tragicallyness of why they turned.

[01:17:43] You can also just have them be a killer,

[01:17:45] but give them more but as a suggestion for a story to read, I can't recommend this one way or another even if you read the other story because I personally think this butcher's Lou unfortunate. Yeah, I agree. Okay. So I guess that just do a Google search for Homicidal Lu and oh boy, there's lots of time. And you will find lots of art and even a bunch of stories. So even though we don't necessarily recommend the original story, good on you for creating so helping and hope helping inspire an entire mythos.

[01:20:21] Yeah, like legit.

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